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The bidbot dilemma (Part 2) by yawnguy2

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The bidbot dilemma (Part 2)
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This is a follow-up post to [@yawnguy2/the-bidbot-dilemma](https://steemit.com/steemit/@yawnguy2/the-bidbot-dilemma). In brief:

* My @yawnguy and @yawnguy2 posts get curated by others when bidbot-promoted
* These bidbot-promoted posts occupy "trending" slots, independent of quality
* Very few humans actually read or comment on my niche posts (I'm not whining about this)
* I'm 68 years old, not interested in fame or making money from Steemit
* I **am** interested in getting my @yawnguy stuff used (it's free)
* I wanted to get a rep of 60+

Here are my @yawnguy2 author returns in Steem, along with Rep changes:

[@yawnguy2/rubik-tips-for-bigger-odd-numbered-cubes](https://steemit.com/rubik/@yawnguy2/rubik-tips-for-bigger-odd-numbered-cubes) Paid 120, Return 120 (Rep 65.895 --> 66.076)
[@yawnguy2/cosmic-dumptruck-the-caretakers](https://steemit.com/dtube/@yawnguy2/2su7lg91) Paid 120, Return 134 (Rep 65.690 --> 65.895)
[@yawnguy2/rubik-willingness-to-scramble](https://steemit.com/dtube/@yawnguy2/iq2tz6cn) Paid 120, Return 144 (Rep 65.445 --> 65.690)
[@yawnguy2/rubik-how-to-solve-the-tartan-cube]( https://steemit.com/rubik/@yawnguy2/rubik-how-to-solve-the-tartan-cube) Paid 120, Return 140 (Rep 65.224 --> 65.445)
[@yawnguy2/rubik-how-to-solve-the-shepherd-cube]( https://steemit.com/rubik/@yawnguy2/rubik-how-to-solve-the-shepherd-cube) Paid 120, Return 140 (Rep 65.0 --> 65.224)
[@yawnguy2/the-ballad-of-feisty-j](https://steemit.com/poetry/@yawnguy2/the-ballad-of-feisty-j) Paid 120, Return 120 (Rep 64.8 --> 65.0)
[@yawnguy2/vagrants]( https://steemit.com/@yawnguy2/vagrants) Paid 120, Return 146 (Rep 64.5 --> 64.8)
[@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-161-to-184]( https://steemd.com/@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-161-to-184) Paid 120, Return 143 (Rep 64.1 --> 64.5)
[@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-141-to-160]( https://steemit.com/@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-141-to-160) Paid 120, Return 141 (Rep 63.8 --> 64.1)
[@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-121-to-140]( https://steemit.com/@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-121-to-140) Paid 120, Return 142 (Rep 63.4 --> 63.8)
[@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-101-to-120]( https://steemit.com/@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-101-to-120) Paid 120, Return 114 (Rep 63.0 --> 63.4)
[@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-81-to-100]( https://steemit.com/@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-81-to-100) Paid 120, Return 129 (Rep 62.6 --> 63.0)
[@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-41-to-60]( https://steemit.com/@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-61-to-80) Paid 120, Return 119 (Rep 62.2 --> 62.6)
[@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-61-to-80]( https://steemit.com/@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-61-to-80) Paid 120, Return 116 (Rep 61.6 --> 62.2)
[@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-21-to-40]( https://steemit.com/@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-21-to-40) Paid 120, Return 128 (Rep 60.9 --> 61.6)
[@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-1-to-20]( https://steemit.com/@yawnguy2/under-the-rim-verses-1-to-20) Paid 120, Return 128 (Rep 60.2 --> 60.9)
[@yawnguy2/the-bidbot-dilemma-part-2](https://steemit.com/steemit/@yawnguy2/the-bidbot-dilemma-part-2) Paid 120, Return 128 (Rep 59.2 --> 60.2)
[@yawnguy2/ramesses-ii-silver-coin](https://steemit.com/steemsilvergold/@yawnguy2/ramesses-ii-silver-coin) Paid 120, Return 136 (Rep 57.8 --> 59.2)
[@yawnguy2/nice-display-case](https://steemit.com/steemsilvergold/@yawnguy2/nice-display-case) Paid 120, Return 127 (Rep 55.9 --> 57.8)
[@yawnguy2/rectilinear-poetry](https://steemit.com/poetry/@yawnguy2/rectilinear-poetry) Paid 120, Return 109 (Rep 52.9 --> 55.9)
[@yawnguy2/breakfast](https://steemit.com/food/@yawnguy2/breakfast) Paid 40, Return 49 (Rep 49 --> 52)
[@yawnguy2/the-bidbot-dilemma](https://steemit.com/steemit/@yawnguy2/the-bidbot-dilemma) Paid 40, Return 39 (Rep 25 --> 49)
**Totals: Paid 2360, Return 2572**

I paid 60SBD to a bidbot for each of my last 6 @yawnguy posts, with Rep boosts of 60.4 --> 61.0 --> 61.6 --> 62.1 --> 62.6 --> 63.0 --> 63.3 

These figures show nothing surprising, namely that bidbots can boost one's rep at pretty much zero cost although the money gets tied up for up to 3 months.

Is this ethical? As a relative newcomer, I find this hard to say. It doesn't seem like "gaming the system" as it is done openly, and anyone with a few hundred Steem they can use temporarily can do it. In addition, most of the trending articles seem to have been artificially boosted by bidbots anyway. It seems non-ideal, but better minds than mine must know of the problem.

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@beercraft ·
Try a Witbier with it!
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@dr-murat ·
Good question. It helps when you really think your content is good and if you want a lot of people to see it. I actually find your posts because of bidbots. But some people may abuse it too.
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@yawnguy2 ·
Thanks for the comment. Good point.

I see your most recent post (Erzurum pix) has 1127 upvotes. I understand how, of course. I wonder how many of those people actually looked at the two images. My posts are text-heavy and require much more effort to absorb than viewing images, so you have an advantage over me in that respect. Several times I looked at an arbitrary upvoter's account via steemd.com/@username and saw that they upvoted 5-10 posts a minute -- that doesn't give a lot of time to digest them!
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@dr-murat ·
You are right again, actually I tested some bidbots on my last post 😂. I understand the viewer quality from some comments.
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@isarmoewe ·
I just found your post via @dr-murat who has been a delegatee of mine for 2 months.
Thanks for that report, it's still eye-opening for an "old" user like me (being on Steemit for 16 months), but mostly because I have never made use of bidbots myself. 
There are other ways to get your content read and upvoted. Specialising in science or community-related topics is one, commenting on known whales' posts and participating in contests and related activities is another one. All of this is managed by use of certain *tags* (the categories you enter at the end of a post). Most projects have Discord chats where posts can be submitted for curation. It's not about Steemit's *Trending* tab that much ...
It's not recommended to come along with high quality posts before building up a network of readers. Sounds strange but when I joined people were encouraged to comment a lot instead of posting much. The RC system has changed that - unlike before HF20 the new users lack the required RCs for real networking activities for a long time if they are not given a delegation soon. Which is why I supported @dr-murat this way (and some other users who quit though).
There are apps and other ways for auto-voting. These can help users to make use of their voting power in times of absence from Steemit.
Getting a name and real reputation on Steemit takes time and requires a lot of patience. And I suppose your content is not read better now either. ;o)
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@yawnguy2 ·
Thank you very much for this detailed comment. It is very useful.
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