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RE: SIMPLE QUESTION: When does a scientist cease being a scientist? by yintercept

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· @yintercept ·
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"hijacking terms" is a great image, but I find the term "sublate" as it ties the problem into modern philosophy. 

Of course the problem is ancient. Socrates did not like writing down his thoughts as he realized that Sophists could make him look a fool by changing the definition of a term.

Since Socrates did not write down his arguments, Socrates gave Plato the opportunity to hijack his reputation.

BTW, your discussion of science echoes my beliefs. Science is a method of discovery. Anyone who employs the scientific method is being scientific. Unfortunately, science is morally ambivalent. A pimp who scientifically grooms children from child-trafficking is being scientific. A megalomaniac who uses the scientific method is being a scientist when using the scientific method to commit genocide.

Morality questions are not answered by "science."

Some define "political science" is the application of the scientific method to the pursuit of political power. This definition is common on both the right and left. A political scientist could poll the people and figure out how to present a party in a way that will increase the party's chance of gaining power.

Applying science to politics can get people in office, but it does not guarantee that the politician will be good for the people. I think that people who gain power through such manipulation tend to be bad leaders.

While I like the scientific method, my observation is that no matter how one argues the issue, science and politics simply don't mix.

The US founders were trained in classical logic. I think they were hoping for a Republic where legislators engaged in deliberative discourse founded on classical logic. Unfortunately, schools no longer teach logic.
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@dwinblood · (edited)
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Well said.  I agree.

I also like to point out occasionally that science only works with things that we can reliably observe.

It can tell us nothing about things we have not learned or created the tools to enable us to observe.

Why mention this?

How often do people say "Science disproves X" when they treat the fact they have not found a way to observe X as though it is proof it doesn't exist.

There are many things we can observe today that we once could not.  They certainly existed.

The Scientific Method is a great tool when seeking answers about that which we can observe.  It does not really work for things we cannot.

Often people forget it is simply a tool.

Like all tools I am aware of they can be put to malevolent as well as benevolent uses.

This will likely always be the case.   We must strive to do at every opportunity presented to us we must push against and fight the malevolent usage.
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@yintercept ·
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I see science as a subset of logic. Specifically, I see science as the application of logic to the study of nature.

In the scientific method, people create a logical model to describe nature; if it works they run with that model. If the model doesn't fit; then scientists seek a better model.

This view that science is a subset of logic brings up the issue that there is a huge amount of stuff outside of the field of science.

For example, mathematics is subset of logic. It is possible to create mathematical models that are completely outside the scope of nature.

In my world view, I find that the ideas of the Trivium provide a better foundation for a political system than science. I should detail this, but I have to run and errand.
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