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RE: The TRUTH About Open Borders Vs. Closed Borders! (With Adam Kokesh) by arthur.grafo

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· @arthur.grafo ·
A thousand years? It will not take that long - max 1 to 5 generations, and we will have reverted to the barbarity of a few thousands of years AGO. Your ideas did not work when the entire population of this planet was less than a million. As long as there are people, there will be a pecking order and the strong will dominate over the weak...and there will be nobody to protect the weak.

All you can ever aim for is an approach to utopia, but we must never try to achieve it, for that will bring about the end of mankind.

Sorry, but on this subject, my experience has taght me to think a bit more cynically, just like @davebrewer.

Wasn't the French Revolution an attempt at creating something similar to your dream? It did not work - and neither will yours. As a matter of fact, it is the people who have idyllic but entirely impractical dreams that they try to impose on others that causes half the problems we have. Why do you think most people are afraid to be seen to be even slightly different from their neighbours?
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@zubasky · (edited)
So, the goal is?  Do nothing?  Repeat all the same mistakes over and over?
No one but you thinks that it will be utopia, a free society will have plenty of struggle and chaos.  Life itself creates challenges we all must face in an ever changing world.  Maintaining the status quo creates more violence because humanity is constantly improving and evolving.    
Show me a civilization that has survived/maintained totalitarian control forever.  Empires always fall, usually for the same reason.  Freedom!  Thomas Jefferson knew there would be revolution every time power and control over reached its limits.  Was he being cynical?  Is America an impractical dream trying to be imposed on others?
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@arthur.grafo ·
We keep on going off half-cocked, coming up with new ideas, for instance, communism was one of them, so idealistic but also so destructive of the human spirit.

It is important that this time we think long and hard, facing the truth when we come up against flaws in our theories, evolving it until we are reasonably certain this plan is workable.

Any theory that cannot be debated, does not deserve to demand the right to be implemented.
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@zubasky ·
The biggest flaw I see, is thinking there is a plan that is workable.  In a free society the free market will decide the plan.  No demand for implementation needed.
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