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RE: There are No Coincidences by rocking-dave

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· @rocking-dave ·
Oh, really? Everything happens for a purpose? Including all the children that die in their first week despite the prayers coming from their parents. I guess Jesus has the time to arrange your life so nicely now when you have found him, but doesn't have the time to save the life of an innocent child. What is Jesus teaching you with that?

Don't you think this post is kind of smug and self-centered of you? Especially starting it off with the "there are no coincidences" thing...

> Although I might argue he should look at his theology.

Everybody that subscribes to a theology should look at it. Don't you think *you* should look into your theology? How is your theology better or more likely to be true than his? If you might argue that, why not really arguing that honestly and openly?
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@nobutsd ·
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Yes everything happens for a reason and your thinking that your infinitely small mind (In the context of the Almighty) should be able to understand it from your emotionally charged point of view is also part of that. Yes that child dying has a purpose, unfortunately people seem to think that what they feel is more important that what others feel. That child has no pain, perhaps God wants the parents to learn something? I have often heard it said that what we see is like the back of a tapestry with all the threads going wherever, but someday we will see the front and it will all make sense. Now, I will tell you this sir, my life has not always been roses nor is it now. I lived under a bridge and on the streets for years, I was an addict and alcoholic. I am sure that your self righteousness will say something about it being my choice, yes it was and that is fine you feel that way, you have that right. You even have the right to attack me which you sure took advantage of. See that does not bother me, I have my faith and people like you are not going to affect it. I would challenge you to look at why you are so offended that I am a Christian and where that comes from. I don't know what problem you had with Jesus in the past, but for you to attack me for no reason because of it is kind of wrong don't you think? Again it is OK, I pray that you find the peace that I have. See I know that God's plan will play out and I will play my part. I also realize that there will come a time when I will be persecuted for my faith. I am not some prosperity gospel guy, I know that with faith in Jesus come suffering for him, but I am fine with that. So feel free to stalk my posts and say what you will. I love you anyway!
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@rocking-dave ·
>  Yes that child dying has a purpose, unfortunately people seem to think that what they feel is more important that what others feel.

What? You don't need a very large brain to know that infant death is something bad. Any plan that includes it includes evil. It's as simple as that. Either a god does not exists or an *almighty* god decided to create evil. In your interpretation of what you are seeing, Jesus sees it as more important to put you in charge of the doctor guy instead of allowing an infant to live.

> That child has no pain

I'm amazed at what I'm reading. Visit a children's cancer ward and look at what you've written here after that.

>  I am sure that your self righteousness will say something about it being my choice, yes it was and that is fine you feel that way, you have that right. 

Oh, no, that's not my attitude at all. The sentiment of your post is something that does get me angry and I think it's really awful, but I'm really talking about the idea. I wouldn't have the audacity to judge you as a person based on this post alone, I'm objecting to what you are saying. Managing to get yourself out of such dire situation, overcoming addiction and poverty is something I respect, not something I'll judge you for. Also, the fact that I'm criticizing what you are saying so openly and directly doesn't mean that I'm under the delusion that I am myself perfect or better. We are all probably wrong about a bunch of things we do and that surely includes me.

> You even have the right to attack me which you sure took advantage of.

I'm attacking the ideas in your post, it's absolutely not about your past or present. I hope you're taking this with an open mind which I have the feeling you actually are.

> I would challenge you to look at why you are so offended that I am a Christian and where that comes from.

I'm annoyed because you are talking about a god and how he has special attitude towards you while ignoring how bad the world is for many other people regardless of their faith. I think that's a poisonous attitude that affirms a faith for all the wrong reasons. And than it leads to intellectual stubbornness (like saying you would never change regardless of anything that might happen) and than it opens the door for justifying all the atrocious ideas that come with Christianity along with the positive ones.

> I don't know what problem you had with Jesus in the past, but for you to attack me for no reason because of it is kind of wrong don't you think?

Oh, I don't believe in the Christian theology so me having a problem with Jesus is like you having a problem with magic unicorns. How can you have a problem with something that you don't believe exists? I openly and honestly criticized your posts because I think the ideas that you have presented are pretty bad and wrong. And I think bad ideas should be criticized, debated and hopefully abandoned by their propagators.

> So feel free to stalk my posts and say what you will.

Oh, I'm not going to do that. I gave you my two cents on this one and I'm certainly not going to come back under every post and repeat the same thing over and over again. I might read something else and mention a different point if I have it who knows, but I'm surely not going to start a war here :P If I see that you are actually interested in having a conversation and have something to say back to me and criticize my points, I would be happy to engage. I also hope you realize that telling you that I think that the ideas you have expressed are atrocious regardless of how frankly or diplomatically I've done that has nothing to do with persecution.

> I love you anyway!

I think it's a bit too early for love, but I appreciate the sentiment anyway ;)

I was actually hoping to hear back on the questioning theology thing. You said that the doctor guy should probably question their theology. This means that you think there are objective reasons for your theology to be more reasonable than his. I'm really interested what you think those reasons are? If they are strong and objective, you might actually convert people with them, right? And since you say that it's fine to argue that people should question their theologies, it should be fine that yours is questioned too, right?

Cheers!
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@nobutsd ·
O.k. First I am going to tell you right off the bat that I do not normally engage in arguments over religion. I am a Christian, Period. Unabashedly unashamed about it too. Militant you could say. Willing to die for what I believe, and actually think I will someday soon. Now that being said I am going to engage you this time for a very simple reason. It is apparent that you have several misconceptions about several things. Second, you seem to lack some basic understanding of what Christianity teaches. Yes there is evil in the world and yes God created it. He (Although "He" is a no more correct way to describe God than "She" would be) created everything and knows everything. The fact is that when original Sin entered the world through Adams disobedience, then ownership of the planet was given to Lucifer. This is a standard teaching in the Christian Church, that the "god" of this world is the Devil. That sir is why bad things happen to undeserving people. God cannot break his own rules, and therefore has to obey the ones He set in motion from the beginning, one of which is the passing of property to someone who is admitted with permission. This is some deep theology but I can assure you very true. I do not know what you think about me but I can assure you I am a highly intelligent individual that is very well read and educated. I was not raised a Christian in any way. I came to know it as truth on my own for very good reasons. Now, in my original post I did not say anything about being favored or anything about how what goes on with me is because God wants some kid to die. I do not think he has a "Special attitude" towards me as you say, nor did I allude to that in my post. I merely pointed out that I see His hand in my life. You would too if you chose to look. I would argue that this conversation right here is God trying to reach you through me, but I am sure that will offend you in some way, and you will hear me saying I speak for God instead of what I actually said. As to the Doctors theology, he is a Catholic (I said as much) and I would argue that there are issues in Catholicism that are un-biblical, as would most protestant Christians. I would say the same about Mormons and Jehovas Witnesses as well. Does that make me intolerant? No. I am not saying that someone cannot believe as they wish. I am saying that according to the Bible, they are wrong. is that decisive? Yup, sure is. Jesus said He came not to bring peace but a sword. Period. Not get along with everyone. Sorry. Now, if you choose not to believe in the Bible and Jesus, that is your right, but I would advise you to do some research. Syria, Iran, Russia, they are all predicted to do exactly what they are doing right now. Microchipping Humans? Yup that's in there too. Cash money being abolished? Yup....Earthquakes in diverse places? Check. Knowledge being spread in the blink of an eye? Roger that! You might want to pay attention because the Bible is being played out right in front of you. The Bible also says that men's hearts will be hardened and they won't believe no matter how much evidence they have. I am sure you will be able to point to climate change and political instability as the reasons for all this. Of course we need a one world government right? Yeah, that's why the Bible said that "When they say "Peace Peace," then sudden destruction will come." I pray that isn't you. I am curious what ideas from Christianity are so "Atrocious" as you say? I guess you will point out all the things that the Catholic Church did in the middle ages as your proof, or say something about how the Bible teaches slavery, when the New Testament does not. Also what about my post exactly was so wrong? The fact that I am in charge of someone who made some mistakes and I have a chance to know him better as a person? Or does it offend you that a low life like me should have that position? I never said anything other than I find it interesting IN MY LIFE that God would put me where I am today. Sir, I will tell you that if you think you are going to make me "See reason" in your argument that Jesus didn't exist or that God doesn't either, I will challenge you to research the number of Theoretical Physicists (Including Einstien) that have been led to believe in God through their own research into science. Look up the guy that found computer code embedded in the very fabric of the universe *As if it was written by a designer* No sir, if anyone here needs to look at their beliefs, it is not me, sorry. God bless you and I pray you come to a saving knowledge of Jesus, although I am going to guess you just do not care to even try to know him.
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