RE: Part 1: Objections to "Death as sleeping". A look at what some of the arguments against the state of the dead. by godwinzzyzx

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christianity · @godwinzzyzx · Jul 30 '18

Okay I have read both comments. But it negates the credibility of what Jesus said: "I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father but by me"

If Elijah went to heaven without Jesus, then it means Jesus' testimony about h being the only way to heaven is not true

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@truth-be-told · Jul 31 '18

Jesus is God. He is the Word made flesh.  He has always existed and there is nothing that is made that was made without Him.  

Are you saying that Jesus, or the creator, did not exist until the NT?

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@godwinzzyzx · Aug 1 '18

I never said such.

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@truth-be-told · Aug 1 '18

You are saying that Jesus did not exist before his human body.  Jesus has always existed.

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@wisekricket · Jul 30 '18

I don't know that this "negates the credibility" of what Jesus said.  Who said that Elijah went to heaven without Jesus? Are you saying that Elijah went to heaven of his own human power? Because that is not what the message is here. The Bible verses that were referenced by @barncat and @truth-be-told were speaking of Elijah being taken to heaven by God. Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying, but I don't see how those verses negate God or Jesus' credibility...

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@godwinzzyzx · Aug 1 '18

As at the time of Elijah, there was no Jesus. Only the **WORD** resident in and with the father. 

1. When Jesus died the power that tore the veil went out and quickened the body of all the Saints that were in the city of David. 
But none of them came out of their graves, until Christ resurrected, because Jesus had to be the FIRST BORN AMONG THE DEAD. 

2. Next Jesus descended to the lower parts of the earth to do 3 things. 
    1. To set free the spirits of all the Saints who died and were kept in Abraham's bossom. 
    2.  To declare his victory over death, sin to the devil and his cohorts
     3.  To blunder them and collect the lost possession of mankind. 

> Notice the word all the Saints. 

The great Father Abraham
Isaac
Jacob
Elijah
Elisha
Even Enoch too. If you doubt me read Hebrews 11:13 then go back and see whose name was mentioned in verse 5.

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@truth-be-told · Aug 5 '18

Not sure what your point is in any of these statements.  Are you saying that "The Saints" are specific people only?  And that after Jesus rose all the "saints" who died before Him rose and are in heaven?

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