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RE: An Illustrated Guide to Curation - from the simple to the complex - with real examples from past posts - Part 1 by yabapmatt

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· @yabapmatt ·
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Really enjoying this back and forth in the comments - something I'd love to see more of here.

I would love to see some data on the curation returns from voting on an "unknown" post vs a popular author. I just kind of assumed that the return would be better voting for someone popular because their posts will earn more but now that you've shed some light on how it works perhaps i'm wrong.

But even if the math works out in favor of unknown authors for curation rewards, I suspect people just assume like me that if they want more curation rewards they need to vote on posts by popular authors at around the 30 minute mark.

When I say it makes the distribution of rewards worse, I mean that because  I suspect that people just upvote popular authors to get the curation rewards and don't upvote unknown authors because they don't feel there is much in it for them. If this is the case (and I only have anecdotal evidence) then I definitely think it would help to concentrate rewards with popular authors.

But like I said - can't wait to see any real data you can dig up, and also once SMTs come out we can start to see the effects of other curation strategies.
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@crypto-econom1st ·
Reading back old posts can be really good and fun. In this case I even decided to react, although it's a very old post and you probably don't remember precisely where it's all about...

This post was from 6 months ago. Back then you, and probably many others, were already hoping to see some good things from SMT'S. But one again it seems that things go very slowly, perhaps to slowly?

Then I came up with an idea that might help minnows. Why don't we have a system where higher upvotes provides a lower percentage pay out?

I don't know how to call it precisely, so let me show it with an example. 
A post with 1 upvotes gets a post out of $1.00.
A post with 2 upvotes gets a pay out of $1.95
A post with 3 upvotes gets a pay out of $2.85.
So the additional $ will decrease per extra upvote. And where I refer to upvotes I actually mean SP/VP. 

What do you think?
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@mwfiae ·
Interesting idea :) 
But many people are even for exponential payout. Meaning the higher the value before the more value has a vote. (It was like that a long time ago. ) 
This makes self-upvoting less usefull and people are more encouraged to make content that many people like. At the expensive of the rich get richer, etc.

Your idea is the polar opposite. With your system it would be much more profitable for everyone to just upvote themselfs. Why should I upvote a post that already has some payout with 0.1$, if I can upvote my own fresh post with 1$ for the same amount of votepower?
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@crypto-econom1st ·
You are right that there could be a little negative side effect for self upvotes. 

I'm afraid there are many more issues that need to be solved. Like people having more accounts, paid upvote bots, long sign up process, etc.

To give an example, I think that among my latest 50 new followers, there were 48 bots.
So at this moment I seem to have 525 followers, but in reality I estimate that I have 25 followers.
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@improv ·
I also love this back and forth. I think with the rise of human whale curators, the whole system has returned to incentivizing the finding of good content first. Which is still hard because there's just SO MUCH. But if you can find a post that WILL get a curie first, you're the most likely to get a good curation reward. Alternatively, you can figure out the voting patterns of some trails and get in early on those. But that way lies a race to 0%

I am so thankful for this post! Curation always seemed like this thing that nobody was even bothering to explain.
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@miniature-tiger ·
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I should have some data in the next couple of days. I think the results will vary between different authors so I may have to categorise into a few typical patterns even within the whales section.

The SMTs is a great point. I'm just hoping it's not too expensive to set up. I'd like to be able to distribute my own tokens and set my own reward rules!
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