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RE: Defend Yourself Against @GrumpyCat by grumpycat

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· @grumpycat ·
$98.41
You have only yourself to blame for anyone "getting hurt" or "losing money".

Your bot isn't even limited to 6th day, it's 6 day 8 hours with a your  bidding window at 2.4 hours that's 6 day 10.4 hours.
Giving anyone on Steem only 13 hours to find and flag the abuse you upvote.

Human curators have to sleep, that gives them about 2h to find and flag your bullshit.
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@michaeldavid ·
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The only place blame can go is on the person pushing the button. That's you.

You know full well that you have no intention of helping the bot abuse issue. You also know that more time does not help the issue because there are simply not enough people flagging abusive posts, you certainly aren't. 

The only way to actually help this issue is to nip it in the bud, where it starts. It starts at the account, not the post. Abusers do it on all/most of their posts, not just one.

You also know that since bot owners have went to 3.5 days it has not affected them voting on shit. I've looked myself, the lists of bidders are still the same abusive crap as before. Your efforts have achieved nothing.

All this energy you have wasted on your crusade against me for what you claim is wrong you could have spent actually helping solve the issue like myself and so many others are.

You also know that in like 3 weeks there have only been 3 people that have used my bot at 6 days. Which is a mute point because using bots late is not the issue. People and bots alike can vote at any time within the 6.5 day window allotted by the system. 

ABUSIVE ACCOUNTS ARE THE ISSUE!! That is why I work daily on getting them out of my lists of bidders.

I'm currently using a 26k blacklist from steemcleaners with much more to come. I've stopped accepting all dmania and dlive, which are basically all shit posts and very few bots even do that. I've also removed my vote from posts that people have pointed out to me were abusive and then blacklisted them. On top of all that, I'm about to hire someone to manually curate my bidders to determine abuse so that it can be handled internally because it is my responsibility.

Finding and flagging posts is not the responsibility of anyone but the bot owner themselves. That's why I'm working so hard on it. This 3.5 day thing just takes that responsibility off of bot owners and puts it on other people that, like you say, need to sleep. 

It is just not their fucking job! It's our job, as bot owners. You are attacking one of the only bot owners that actually knows that and practices it. It's completely hypocritical! 

Not only is it not their job, and I've said this multiple times, THERE ARE SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE FLAGGING ABUSIVE POSTS TO MAKE A FUCKING DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!

If you don't believe that then look through all the other bots bidders lists. you'll see immediately what I mean. It only took me like 2 minutes on each other bot to see the very same shit posts being voted on as were before they went to 3.5 days.

Your assumed way to fix bot abuse is not working!

Besides the fact that there are not enough people doing it, and it simply does not work, flagging abusive posts that have been bid on by bots is so far after the fact. It's super labor intensive. It's like begging to do more work just for the sake of doing it. IT'S FUCKING STUPID!!

So let's say one abusive post gets through and gets payout cause all these invisible green curators you speak of didn't have enough time to flag it...

Now I can see this guy and blacklist him. Now he simply cannot do it again, ever!

If your assumed invisible little green curators were to flag him, especially if they did not bring him to my attention so i could blacklist him (which they basically just don't, lord knows you never do) he could still come back again and again to do the same shit. How on earth is that better?

Stopping abusive accounts from ever being able to use bots is vastly more effective than trying to find individual posts then flag them. Instead of returning rewards to the pool, THIS SIMPLY PREVENTS THEM FROM BEING TAKEN!

The way I am approaching this issue can keep it cleaned up and keep other people from having to comb through all those posts to find the shit and downvote it. Which by the way is clearly not being done.

The people you are downvoting are good steemians using my bot in a very legit way and you know it.

Stop being part of the problem and start being part of the solution.

I honestly believe that you have noticed everything that I've said and you know i'm right but after your massive crusade you just can't admit you are wrong.

Who cares man. we all make mistakes.

Eat some fucking crow bro. 

What you are doing is wrong and you know it.
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@bobinson ·
Well said ...

1. Plagiarism
2. Article Spinning accounts voting each other
3. soon to hit DMCA takedown

This are the issues thats going to END this blockchain. May be the priorities should be set right.
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@michaeldavid ·
Yea, this is why it's important to stop them at their source... the account that produces them instead of the individual posts.
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@grumpycat ·
$32.45
> Stopping abusive accounts from ever being able to use bots is vastly more effective than trying to find individual posts then flag them.

Blacklists are fundamentally useless as neither the posters nor the purchasers need to have any vested Steem beyond negligible bandwidth requirement to  buy vote on their spam.

You can pretend to having all the best intent in the world, you make more money by being lazy with abusers.
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@bobinson ·
>negligible bandwidth requirement to buy vote on their spam.

2 things here. 

In the order of occurrence, they are mostly

1. SPAM / Plagiarism
2. Buying Vote


While vote buying on bad content is definitely a bad thing to do, the root of the issue is still item number 1. In the current form, its not too difficult to tackle too. So why issue 2 is addressed first than the issue 1 which will completely eliminate issue 2 ?
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@vimukthi ·
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Well said. You just got a new follower. You have to create the right incentives and make efficient systems. Collateral damage of some good posts isn't acceptable. On top of that most bidding rounds end at a loss. You have to be seriously stupid to call it reward pool rape.
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@michaeldavid ·
Yea, it's so true.

Thanks.

No it's not acceptable at all. These people are actually losing money out of their pockets, not  just rewards.

Definitely not reward pool rape lol.
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@moeknows ·
On 28 Feb (the day before @grumpycat made this comment) @grumpycat upvoted himself 9 times for a total of $451.57. In the month of February, he **upvoted himself for $22095.89** on 285 posts. A number of these upvotes came after the posts were 3.5 days old.  *His 9 most recent self-votes were less than 3.5 days old.*

I would upvote for visibility, but it kind of makes me feel dirty. Hopefully everybody sees this. :-)
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