Viewing a response to: @krnel/people-ignore-the-flagging-proglem-until-you-show-them-how-great-it-is-by-flagging-them-lol
**Downvotes**, not flags. Steem is set up to allow anyone with STEEM Power to influence a pending payout. Pending payout amounts are not cumulative and can fluctuate until the time of the actual payout. Complaining is one thing, proposing a solution to a perceived problem is more productive though. Do you have some idea of what a solution to your downvote complaints would look like?
author | pfunk |
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permlink | re-krnel-people-ignore-the-flagging-proglem-until-you-show-them-how-great-it-is-by-flagging-them-lol-20170422t142012894z |
category | flagging |
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root_title | "People ignore the flagging proglem... until you show them how 'great' it is by flagging them... LOL" |
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voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
berniesanders | 0 | 137,647,163,271 | 100% | ||
pharesim | 0 | 178,997,143,957 | 2% | ||
abit | 0 | 4,428,069,789,105 | 20% | ||
steemservices | 0 | 2,595,569,191,626 | 100% | ||
lovejoy | 0 | 33,979,408,013 | 100% | ||
pfunk | 0 | 1,200,017,346,462 | 100% | ||
hipster | 0 | 70,988,977,211 | 10% | ||
acidyo | 0 | 8,562,167,628 | 10% | ||
samether | 0 | 759,176,204 | 10% | ||
fyrstikken | 0 | -4,015,401,323,159 | -100% | ||
strawhat | 0 | 662,146,548 | 10% | ||
cryptochannel | 0 | 281,623,735 | 10% | ||
demotruk | 0 | 828,388,216,503 | 100% | ||
liberosist | 0 | 16,121,290,056 | 100% | ||
dirty.hera | 0 | 281,554,726 | 100% | ||
seraph | 0 | 10,660,679,412 | 100% | ||
richardcrill | 0 | 33,463,658,318 | 100% | ||
projectnewbie | 0 | 1,451,973,000 | 10% | ||
leongkhan | 0 | 55,696,640,485 | 100% | ||
tamersameeh | 0 | 92,361,247 | 10% | ||
muth | 0 | 409,654,621 | 100% | ||
fisteganos | 0 | 805,892,423 | 5% | ||
dunia | 0 | 6,314,519,203 | 100% | ||
yougotflagged | 0 | 438,727,657,622 | 100% | ||
evildeathcore | 0 | 342,982,657 | 10% | ||
kostiayatsuk | 0 | 336,452,481 | 100% |
Reducing concentration of upvotes/flagging power... That's the solution.
author | bnoise |
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permlink | re-pfunk-re-krnel-people-ignore-the-flagging-proglem-until-you-show-them-how-great-it-is-by-flagging-them-lol-20170422t152534943z |
category | flagging |
json_metadata | {"tags":["flagging"],"app":"steemit/0.1"} |
created | 2017-04-22 15:25:42 |
last_update | 2017-04-22 15:25:42 |
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root_title | "People ignore the flagging proglem... until you show them how 'great' it is by flagging them... LOL" |
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voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
richardcrill | 0 | 33,463,658,318 | 100% | ||
riskdebonair | 0 | 38,390,319,004 | 100% |
That's what's being done most likely in the next hard fork. So complaining, knowing about that change, doesn't do much.
author | pfunk |
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permlink | re-bnoise-re-pfunk-re-krnel-people-ignore-the-flagging-proglem-until-you-show-them-how-great-it-is-by-flagging-them-lol-20170422t234738816z |
category | flagging |
json_metadata | {"tags":["flagging"],"app":"steemit/0.1"} |
created | 2017-04-22 23:47:51 |
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root_title | "People ignore the flagging proglem... until you show them how 'great' it is by flagging them... LOL" |
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---|---|---|---|---|---|
pfunk | 0 | 1,234,300,731,170 | 100% | ||
fyrstikken | 0 | -3,915,016,290,080 | -100% | ||
seraph | 0 | 10,660,679,412 | 100% | ||
kostiayatsuk | 0 | 336,452,481 | 100% |
That change is welcomed but it wouldn't be enough to counteract a single flagging whale bully. Better than nothing of course, linear curve for rewards is asked since long time from what I know.
author | bnoise |
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permlink | re-pfunk-re-bnoise-re-pfunk-re-krnel-people-ignore-the-flagging-proglem-until-you-show-them-how-great-it-is-by-flagging-them-lol-20170422t235344411z |
category | flagging |
json_metadata | {"tags":["flagging"],"app":"steemit/0.1"} |
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root_title | "People ignore the flagging proglem... until you show them how 'great' it is by flagging them... LOL" |
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Exactly!
author | richardcrill |
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permlink | re-bnoise-re-pfunk-re-krnel-people-ignore-the-flagging-proglem-until-you-show-them-how-great-it-is-by-flagging-them-lol-20170422t153148377z |
category | flagging |
json_metadata | {"tags":["flagging"],"app":"steemit/0.1"} |
created | 2017-04-22 15:31:48 |
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root_title | "People ignore the flagging proglem... until you show them how 'great' it is by flagging them... LOL" |
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I've received downvotes I've disagree with in the past but not on the scale @krnel has. The most interesting thing I've read on the subject is this post which was resteemed by @dantheman. https://steemit.com/steem/@bitcoindoom/why-down-votes-and-flags-are-an-unavoidable-consequence-of-game-theory Those who have more risk more. When large stake holders downvote their downvote are remarked and make huge waves in the community even when nobody dares to address them. Those downvoters risk losing support if the community doesn't agree with their downvotes. This is all detailed in the post. I don't know if downvotes are truly a necessity. It's something to keep in mind though. Excerpt >One More Thing: What about Power Imbalance? > Some people have pistols while others have nukes. The short answer is that those with nukes fear being nuked by others with nukes as well as an uprising of the masses. Anyone who gets persecuted by a nuclear power will find sympathy from the other powers who see the entire economy suffer as a result. Those with nukes (large steem power balances) have the most to lose if social oppression kills the Steem economy. >So should we eliminate down votes? No. We need to carefully consider adding new features to further counter-balance voters who have nothing to lose. Only then will we be able to put a stop to reckless down voting by whales and other users.
author | teamsteem |
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permlink | re-richardcrill-re-bnoise-re-pfunk-re-krnel-people-ignore-the-flagging-proglem-until-you-show-them-how-great-it-is-by-flagging-them-lol-20170422t223350671z |
category | flagging |
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created | 2017-04-22 22:33:39 |
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root_title | "People ignore the flagging proglem... until you show them how 'great' it is by flagging them... LOL" |
beneficiaries | [] |
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author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
pharesim | 0 | 895,554,026,020 | 10% | ||
whatsup | 0 | 51,842,366,708 | 100% |
>Do you have some idea of what a solution to your downvote complaints would look like? Perhaps something like what Dan proposed, an easy way to use our steem to block the voting power of those who abuse their voting power, they have the means and knowlegde to use bots, the average user can't use bots, so it's orders of magnitute harder to repair the damage that a suposedly"bad bot" can do. We need a tool to easy counter bad actors. But wait, when Dan proposed this, "some" whales oposed it! go figure... and btw most of downvotes/flags have nothing to do with "pending payout" in most cases this is used as an excuse, even in posts that don't have "pending payouts"
author | chryspano |
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permlink | re-pfunk-re-krnel-people-ignore-the-flagging-proglem-until-you-show-them-how-great-it-is-by-flagging-them-lol-20170423t073819281z |
category | flagging |
json_metadata | {"tags":["flagging"],"app":"steemit/0.1"} |
created | 2017-04-23 07:38:21 |
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root_title | "People ignore the flagging proglem... until you show them how 'great' it is by flagging them... LOL" |
beneficiaries | [] |
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percent_hbd | 10,000 |
post_id | 3,088,446 |
net_rshares | 67,169,984,473 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
chryspano | 0 | 286,533,813,284 | 100% | ||
yougotflagged | 0 | -219,363,828,811 | -50% |
Flags are wrong. Remove it from Steemit.
author | everittdmickey |
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permlink | re-pfunk-re-krnel-people-ignore-the-flagging-proglem-until-you-show-them-how-great-it-is-by-flagging-them-lol-20170422t222933080z |
category | flagging |
json_metadata | {"tags":["flagging"],"app":"steemit/0.1"} |
created | 2017-04-22 22:29:33 |
last_update | 2017-04-22 22:29:33 |
depth | 2 |
children | 2 |
last_payout | 2017-04-29 22:29:33 |
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author_reputation | 237,810,557,737,590 |
root_title | "People ignore the flagging proglem... until you show them how 'great' it is by flagging them... LOL" |
beneficiaries | [] |
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net_rshares | 0 |
If you are referring to downvotes, they are a necessary part of reward distribution.
author | pfunk |
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permlink | re-everittdmickey-re-pfunk-re-krnel-people-ignore-the-flagging-proglem-until-you-show-them-how-great-it-is-by-flagging-them-lol-20170422t234805074z |
category | flagging |
json_metadata | {"tags":["flagging"],"app":"steemit/0.1"} |
created | 2017-04-22 23:48:15 |
last_update | 2017-04-22 23:48:15 |
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body_length | 84 |
author_reputation | 221,632,045,904,452 |
root_title | "People ignore the flagging proglem... until you show them how 'great' it is by flagging them... LOL" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 HBD |
percent_hbd | 10,000 |
post_id | 3,086,147 |
net_rshares | -2,650,885,265,792 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
pfunk | 0 | 1,234,300,731,170 | 100% | ||
fyrstikken | 0 | -3,915,016,290,080 | -100% | ||
seraph | 0 | 10,660,679,412 | 100% | ||
freebornangel | 0 | 18,833,161,225 | 100% | ||
kostiayatsuk | 0 | 336,452,481 | 100% |
https://s7.postimg.org/ixt4m4ux7/uiflag1.jpg :) This is what most users see, I actually agree with you for the most part, but ignoring the UI... And demanding people call it something different doesn't change the situation.
author | whatsup |
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permlink | re-pfunk-re-everittdmickey-re-pfunk-re-krnel-people-ignore-the-flagging-proglem-until-you-show-them-how-great-it-is-by-flagging-them-lol-20170423t010248212z |
category | flagging |
json_metadata | {"tags":["flagging"],"image":["https://s7.postimg.org/ixt4m4ux7/uiflag1.jpg"],"app":"steemit/0.1"} |
created | 2017-04-23 01:02:48 |
last_update | 2017-04-23 01:02:48 |
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children | 0 |
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cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
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body_length | 227 |
author_reputation | 519,839,651,581,670 |
root_title | "People ignore the flagging proglem... until you show them how 'great' it is by flagging them... LOL" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 HBD |
percent_hbd | 10,000 |
post_id | 3,086,541 |
net_rshares | 65,653,002,644 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
skeptic | 0 | 7,671,652,831 | 100% | ||
whatsup | 0 | 56,162,223,830 | 100% | ||
missk | 0 | 1,819,125,983 | 100% |
Actually for what downvote in create? I see a lot of great whales get downvotes @pfunk
author | muth |
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permlink | re-pfunk-re-krnel-people-ignore-the-flagging-proglem-until-you-show-them-how-great-it-is-by-flagging-them-lol-20170422t144142566z |
category | flagging |
json_metadata | {"tags":["flagging"],"users":["pfunk"],"app":"steemit/0.1"} |
created | 2017-04-22 14:41:54 |
last_update | 2017-04-22 14:54:42 |
depth | 2 |
children | 0 |
last_payout | 2017-04-29 14:41:54 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 0.000 HBD |
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pending_payout_value | 0.000 HBD |
promoted | 0.000 HBD |
body_length | 86 |
author_reputation | 405,977,229,458 |
root_title | "People ignore the flagging proglem... until you show them how 'great' it is by flagging them... LOL" |
beneficiaries | [] |
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post_id | 3,082,035 |
net_rshares | 0 |
The fact that most users interact with the SteemIt UI seems to escape... ;) I don't disagree, but trying to rename something when the UI looks like this... https://s7.postimg.org/ixt4m4ux7/uiflag1.jpg
author | whatsup |
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permlink | re-pfunk-re-krnel-people-ignore-the-flagging-proglem-until-you-show-them-how-great-it-is-by-flagging-them-lol-20170423t010057956z |
category | flagging |
json_metadata | {"tags":["flagging"],"image":["https://s7.postimg.org/ixt4m4ux7/uiflag1.jpg"],"app":"steemit/0.1"} |
created | 2017-04-23 01:01:00 |
last_update | 2017-04-23 01:01:00 |
depth | 2 |
children | 1 |
last_payout | 2017-04-30 01:01:00 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 0.146 HBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.043 HBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 HBD |
promoted | 0.000 HBD |
body_length | 202 |
author_reputation | 519,839,651,581,670 |
root_title | "People ignore the flagging proglem... until you show them how 'great' it is by flagging them... LOL" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 HBD |
percent_hbd | 10,000 |
post_id | 3,086,524 |
net_rshares | 821,920,854,910 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
pfunk | 0 | 718,021,466,939 | 50% | ||
skeptic | 0 | 7,671,652,831 | 100% | ||
whatsup | 0 | 53,261,481,386 | 100% | ||
riskdebonair | 0 | 42,966,253,754 | 100% |
It's a good point, and the Steemit UI needs to be brought back to reality. I think if Steem users were educated on what a "flag" actually is, then [this overdue pull request to the Steemit code](https://github.com/steemit/condenser/pull/1270) might have a higher chance of being approved.
author | pfunk |
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permlink | re-whatsup-re-pfunk-re-krnel-people-ignore-the-flagging-proglem-until-you-show-them-how-great-it-is-by-flagging-them-lol-20170424t102207761z |
category | flagging |
json_metadata | {"tags":["flagging"],"links":["https://github.com/steemit/condenser/pull/1270"],"app":"steemit/0.1"} |
created | 2017-04-24 10:22:09 |
last_update | 2017-04-24 10:22:09 |
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children | 0 |
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author_reputation | 221,632,045,904,452 |
root_title | "People ignore the flagging proglem... until you show them how 'great' it is by flagging them... LOL" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 HBD |
percent_hbd | 10,000 |
post_id | 3,099,271 |
net_rshares | -1,756,609,146,761 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
pharesim | 0 | 895,553,044,969 | 10% | ||
pfunk | 0 | 1,200,014,599,749 | 100% | ||
fyrstikken | 0 | -3,915,016,290,080 | -100% | ||
seraph | 0 | 10,660,679,412 | 100% | ||
the-ego-is-you | 0 | 0 | 100% | ||
whatsup | 0 | 51,842,366,708 | 100% | ||
kostiayatsuk | 0 | 336,452,481 | 100% |