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The main challenge I see is to find a way to both reward good content (meaning content other people on the network deem useful, helpful or valuable) while also making it impossible for one individual or group to dominate the network through sheer monetary influence. I am still thinking on this, a lot and I feel I am far from a solution at this point. One way would be that you cannot buy your stake only earn it through activity. Maybe a listing will be announced for X time in the future so that everybody can prepare accordingly and be free of monetary influence of the token price. You have posted here for the long run, and I also have. We are all in agreement that quick riches is not what this place is about. The rewards should be a side effect of adding value to the community. The issue with icp is that so many perpetual markets exist that can create huge artificial selling pressure that actually has an effect on the spot price. just like with the silver market. i really have to get into tokenomics more and find models that better represent a fair and free discourse platform. This really all comes down to 1 - granting everyone the ability to judge for themselves what they find worthy and not interfere with that 2 - helping everyone to see fraud when it occurs and let it be up to them to take that information to heart. 3 - being ok if other people vote in a way you see as stupid or harmful For example: I have zero problem with a bot that auto comments under a post that has been written 100% with AI, notifying those who would potentially vote on it to take that into consideration before voting. What I do have a problem with if someone can take it on himself to override the community's votes on said post, even for the right reasons. That is where we disagree also, you and so many on here say it is not "your rewards" until actual payout, but what this in effect means that even if many people find a post worthy and upvote it, someone else with dubious intentions can come along and zero that author reward and the curators' rewards out, increasing the non-zeroed out rewards for himself and his gang with the stake majority. This wouldn't be such an issue were it not for the fact that huge money can buy cartel structures on Hive which is exactly the same shit we have in the financial system at large. Prohibition never works to reduce harm because of the social side effects, it would be much better to point out why a certain substance is harmful to the user rather than banning it for everyone. Maybe I am idealistic and naive - two traits that have preserved my optimism over these past 15 years wading through a swamp of system lies - but the world I want to live in leaves it up to everyone to decide, a system that incentivizes to appeal to people's moral and intellectual standards to be convinced not to vote for something rather than muffling their voice. All of this of course has only gotten more complicated with the rampant use of AI and bots. Essentially we are trying to solve the Kali Yuga task of finding a fair and proper governance system for human beings that somehow ALSO rewards people monetarily for their efforts and is at the same time immune to hostile takeover by some big nasty cartel players and intelligence agencies. Will we make it? ahahaha, it's 2025, I don't know if humanity is ready. With steem and hive it clearly wasn't.
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If for you everything is only about the reward but you also do not go with the incentives to stake up so you can decide more over the reward pool as you see fit.. then maybe you should rather try socialism again? >The main challenge I see is to find a way to both reward good content (meaning content other people on the network deem useful, helpful or valuable) while also making it impossible for one individual or group to dominate the network through sheer monetary influence. I have a solution: Maybe let people themselves reward with their stake in a decentralised fashion? Or do you want to decide what should be voted and which content people should deem good? I also have a solution for the anti abuse.. you won't like to hear it. Maybe just try the design and organise, throw the dumb cartel out? You act as if you are the first noticing any problems. We have them since years. But most just wait till others notice to then follow the solutions or ragequit. Lol good luck with that strategy. I want @steemflagrewards and @freezepeach back Instead of helping achieve what you and most other users here want since years, you all guys did not give a shit. let it leave on others shoulders. So because nearly noone took part in the design, we needed hivewatchers and now after everyone hates hivewatchers still noone wants to try out the original design. Dumb humans, without hivewatchers or now even after abolishing downvotes all together, this place here would be burning and done because of all the vote farming bots, plagiarists, Circlejerks, and so on and on and on. Now we have a functional place which is not good enough for you because of muhh rewards. Sad. Maybe you guys are just lazy and want some weird blurt quick "fixes" Good luck
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>Dumb humans, without hivewatchers or now even after abolishing downvotes all together, this place here would be burning and done because of all the vote farming bots, plagiarists, Circlejerks, and so on and on and on. To sum up.. Hivers supporting downvoting, of which you are an example, despise people and consider most of them idiots without a brain. It is in such an atmosphere that this place called Hive is being developed or rather we should say Communist republic of hivers. I am glad you said that because now I will have a new place to which I can refer people and make them aware of what shit they are sitting in here and what the people who create this place think about them :P Exactly the same level as the global elites creating NWO, WEFs and artificial pandemics for themselves. You are simply sinking yourselves faster than anyone else could do it for you XD In your toxicity you already consider yourselves better than others and your downfall is only a matter of time. Hive did not achieve success because it is a good solution only because it is backed by large capital of a few individuals who make their own ice cream on this hail at the expense of people who fell for it. Unfortunately even the biggest money won't help you keep this shit going when people understand how it works. You'll mark my words. No greetings ;)
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You guys are so completely lost. Just go to blurt and find out. Or fuck around here and find out. Or just go continue spreading your whining about evil Downvotes and evil insults. Pathetic crybaby. But stop projecting your mind viruses.
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You talk to me like I was some rich capital hive elite. You are so fucking lost in your Hegelian dialectics, it is not even fun anymore. Complete shit in the mind. Here you got a vote. Stop coping, grow up and realize what anarchy means. But no, you want to crybaby to get your perfect completely idiotic solution on a silver tablet.
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Ah and your kind of complete looser cannot even answer a very simple question. https://peakd.com/free-speech/@woelfchen/re-pravia3d-swbmjv You degenerate only deserve Downvotes, cuz you are only an extracting parasite who cannot get enough and even admit it to use it as reason to (rage)quit. Reality will eat you with hairs.
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And yes you are a pure moronic idiot for wanting to sacrifice the whole platform to real abusers just because of your crying about some little flags and SOME less rewards. While being unthankful for everything hive provided to you. I can tell you that 100 times more. You are so fucking stupid you don't even try to understand. So stuff the shit up ur ass and go flee to blurt paradise, piece of shit.
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Here you get a Downvote to start practicing: >3 - being ok if other people vote in a way you see as stupid or harmful
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>That is where we disagree also, you and so many on here say it is not "your rewards" until actual payout, but what this in effect means that even if many people find a post worthy and upvote it, someone else with dubious intentions can come along and zero that author reward and the curators' rewards out, increasing the non-zeroed out rewards for himself and his gang with the stake majority. Bro I get it. You want rewards and noone being able to "steal" your PENDING PAYOUT, because it is yoooours, you greedy guy have you also thought about the opposite example ever? Being: Pure abuse, noone being able to cancel it out completely or at all, because we just abolish Downvotes? What are the incentives? Everyone spams plagiarism and even worse for some quick rewards? Ever thought about organising and banding together? Enough fish can eat a whale. Also a hive whale. Cancel out the rewards of what you deem unfair. But stop whining and complaining while doing nothing, please.
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>Prohibition never works to reduce harm because of the social side effects, it would be much better to point out why a certain substance is harmful to the user rather than banning it for everyone. xD then fucking stop your Downvote prohibition campaign right fucking now. Getting hilarious >Essentially we are trying to solve the Kali Yuga task of finding a fair and proper governance system for human beings that somehow ALSO rewards people monetarily for their efforts and is at the same time immune to hostile takeover by some big nasty cartel players and intelligence agencies. We have it. Don't need a system. Just let people do it. Maybe also take part instead of trying to prohibit it, make everything worse, just because you don't want to do anything but keep your few lost cents. Go to blurt, "no" Downvotes. Noone takes your rewards, but they are just not worth anything at all. I wonder why. Or burn down hive with the wrong incentives. Just because you don't want to play along. Abolish Downvotes. Noone can take your few more Hive on a post, but also noone cares because you will loose even more. Maybe you get 1 Hive more because of a few less Downvotes but all your hive together ain't worth anything any longer with all the spammers farming with their bots and dumping them on the market lol Great win. Then I rather take a few hive less because of evil Downvotes, but the hive are still worth anything.
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>Will we make it? ahahaha, it's 2025, I don't know if humanity is ready. With steem and hive it clearly wasn't. __No because you guys run away and exclude yourself.__ It is like the self fulfilling prophecy in people claiming bitcoin to have failed. No. You have failed to just accumulate and use bitcoin to your advantage. Excluding yourself and giving the bitcoin network as a present to the elite is not a winning strategy. You just want the perfect system on a silver tablet, but don't even realize in which kind of spiritual war we are as humanity. This is not socialism paradise. You have to fight work and change. Adapt as you see fit. Not whine, exclude yourself and therefore help your own fucking enemy to win. Sorry that I'm so hard now. But I'm also triggered that I again waste my time trying to explain while I have way more important stuff to do. And explaining did not work a single fucking time. Even not after trying it 100 times. That's also why this platform made me learn to hate people stuck in their psyche, ego and narradigma (dogmatic narrative) Luckily it is all breaking open, all the topics I'm interest in, especially materialistic science will go poof and be gone. I just was too early again. So early that I wasted all my energy and no have no fun in it anymore. Maybe some people will look at my "Hass als GefΓΌhl und Downvotes als dezentraler Selbstregulierungsmechanismus einfach verbieten?" as well as plasma posts in like 10 years finally. When I'm not early anymore. But I'm also thankful, because without all the deep triggers and openly being segregated for my opinion (unimportant of Downvotes, I never cared about them, but I'm also a human social being) I would have never had the motivation to just write and present my perspective anyway. Also learned a lot to better formulate myself. So also thanks for the triggers.
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