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RE: Climate change: It is the message that matters, not the messenger by baah

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· @baah ·
>I am waiting for them to point me at some proof that humans are not in part to blame for what we are seeing.

Expecting so is a Negative Proof Fallacy. You want others to prove that humans aren't to blame for the weather, in part or whole, so let me ask you, what would qualify as negative proof (or positive if you want) in such a scenario? 


You try to say that "climate damage" is because of society, to you, it's undeniable that the weather is affected by the opulence of the west, right, but have you thought about what "climate damage" is even, how to identify it, what factors indicate it or what healthy climate is? If you didn't then it's no different from any other nonsense, completely without any redeemable qualities or any merit what so ever, kinda like a politician's answer to a seemingly simple yes or no question, full of crap and without any kind of substance regarding the question. 


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@steevc ·
I am not a climate scientist, but I can see issues like the melting Arctic and fires breaking out around the world. If we are not to blame then it's an amazing coincidence that this happens as out emissions are at a peak. When the scientific studies overwhelmingly point at human causes you have take notice. Dismissing it as 'Chinese fraud', without providing evidence, is not helpful. Of course scientists have been wrong before, but the damage apart from the climate is worth doing something about.
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@baah ·
>I am not a climate scientist, but I can see issues like the melting Arctic and fires breaking out around the world.

What are you talking about? Theres no such issue as "the melting Artic", or you don't have a clue regarding the idiotic "global warming" nonsense which conveniently is not "global warming" anymore but "climate change" and still repeat errenous and false bullshit as if it has any basis in reality at all. What fires breaking around the world? Obviously I don't have any proof that we aren't the cause for nonsensical and dogmatic idiocy of "global warming", so that means we are to BLAME for global warming. 

>If we are not to blame then it's an amazing coincidence that this happens as out emissions are at a peak.

So at any other time when it was literally at one time 'the peak' it didn't happen, but we passed that 'peak' threshold it seems,despite the fact that there is absolutely nothing to substantiate that bullshit with, a la non issue of Fires And/Or Global Warming nonsense "Melting Arctic". 

>When the scientific studies overwhelmingly point at human causes you have take notice.

Yeah why? Who funded those studies? What were the studies hypotheses? Who cares, they overwhelmingly point at human causes. I'm sure you don't peddle in bullshit though, I'm sure you're informed about what you believe, and I'm sure sharing with everyone that you aren't a "climate" scientist was only for the sake of full disclosure, not to imply that discussing these things with you will be met with disregard and eye rolls least I provide you with my "climate" science credentials. 

Listen man, I've seen you around here, you're a decent dude, you clearly care a lot about this place, not just the planet, but you are seemingly about as critical about your dogmatic bullshit as a faithful God Fearing Christian is of the Biblical Bullshit.

>Of course scientists have been wrong before, but the damage apart from the climate is worth doing something about.

Yeah, bullshit platitudes, why? Because I asked you directly what the fuck you warrant as "climate damage"  or conversely "healthy climate" and instead of addressing what you yourself brought up by making an entire spiel/rant/rave about it you seemingly didn't even think it warranted acknowledgment let alone redeem it with a simple, to the point answer, but instead you want to answer "kinda like a politician's answer to a seemingly simple yes or no question, full of crap and without any kind of substance regarding the question." telling some bullshit story about "dismissing it as Chinese fraud, without providing evidence". The only one in full dismissal mode is you, who dismissed the opportunity to define and clarify what you're ranting and raving about, and no ammount of bullshit "climate change" science will change the fact that the earth is cooling. 
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@steevc ·
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