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RE: Defending “Moo! Wrapper” & “Distributed.net” by hotbit

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· @hotbit ·
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There are at least 2 articles reasoning why to remove Moo! and this is the first solid article defending Moo! project - I was waiting for one, my obvious upvote for the quality. 

I was hesitating until now, but finally I'm close to my answer. My reasoning is as follows.

There are N keys and one is valid. Moo! is brute testing them one by one. 
The long time it takes  supposedly shows how safe the method is. 

- There was however a chance that proper key was at the very beginning of the set and puzzle would've been solved long ago. It could have been the first tested key, too.  As such the test would be inconclusive and dismissed.

- As we know that there is N keys and only one is valid, to test how long it would take for a computer of type T to find it, we can just run a quick test, measure the average time to test one key and using basic math we can calculate mean time and maximum time required. Process can be repeated each year within one day on the new generation computer.

My conclusion is: why to run hundreds (or thousands) of computers for many years, if we can use one computer for one hour once a year and achieve the same or even better result?

I can add all natural numbers from 1 to 1 000 000 on a piece of paper  within seconds (using a clever method) instead of weeks or years and tons of paper (adding each number one by one).

If there is a better and much quicker method to solve the problem we should use it instead of brute-force method.
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@guk ·
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Good point, I accept it and it is a valid point. Thank You.

I would say though that gives you the theoretical time to crack, this project gives you an applied proof of that theory and is a great tool to demonstrate and benchmark just what the realistic compute power is required for even simple bit lengths with contemporary hardware.

This article was an attempt to answer the biggest complaint I have heard about Moo! Wrapper, I have also outlined several other concerns over on the official CCT thread.

https://cryptocurrencytalk.com/topic/49533-moowrap/?do=findComment&comment=429200
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@hotbit ·
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> 1) The question as presented is not fair and is leading the voter.

This is a very good point regarding voting process. 

Good thing about Moo!-gate is that it clearly shows we lack several policies and criteria for decision making. Apart of technical criteria you have covered in your whitelist-greylist proposal, non technical once are also needed.
If the project complies with technical requirements:

- should any project run on BOINC platform be eligible to be whitelisted? (It's just a software solution, thousands of projects could be created)
- is scientific purpose a requirement?
- is usefulness required? (How can we be sure about our judgement on usefulness?)
- if other methods allow to find solution quickly or solution is known, should the project using non-effective methods be incorporated into Gridcoin Network?
- .........
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@guk ·
If you want to make sure your say is recorded, I would appreciate if you post it here:

https://github.com/gridcoin-community/Gridcoin-Tasks/issues/201

I split the de-listing out of the current proposal as it obviously needed more work with the current controversy.
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