RE: HF21: Release Tagged! by bashadow

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hf21 · @bashadow · Jul 30 '19

$1.61

> 27th of August, 2019. Note that this is contingent on supermajority adoption by the Steem witnesses of the suggested upgrade, as is always the case with hardforks.

So this is just to tell us that after one month plus in the hands of the witnesses, that you are going to announce to all the businesses an implementation date that you have no real clues as to if it will happen or not, because the ***Supermajority*** has not spoken yet. 

Instead of speculation, (on the witness acceptance), and a small attempt at coercion of the non-complying witnesses toward the super majority, it would have been much more useful to let us know where the witnesses stand on the issues, what their concerns are, and that this is why it is taking so long to determine if they are going to **accept** or **deny** the Hard Fork 21. 

***Contingent*** on *supermajority*--tells us, the users absolutely nothing. Announcing a date, basically giving the witnesses a ***Deadline***  smacks of *coercion*.  I hope the witnesses, delay the HF21 well beyond your announced date. (There are several parts of HF21, that I think are bad), and that is why I hope they delay it, so they can properly do their due diligence and to not bow to pressures from any group, side, or organization.

👍 roadscape, pibara, steemtaker, reazuliqbal, curx, osm0sis, crypto.piotr, ozelot47, fukako, fturner19, ijatz

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@baah · Jul 30 '19

!dramatoken

Für ze Returd

👍 dramatoken
👎 kdtkaren

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@jarvie · Jul 30 '19

$0.13

Witnessess and other developers are still doing lots of work on the TestNet to make sure everything will run smoothly. Having a deadline is very helpful to motivate specially those doing the testing. As far as is known there is more than enough for super majority among the top 20 witnesses. But if those witnesses decide there are errors they are finding in the testnet that need to be resolved prior to approving and upgrading to the new software then that would delay it ... yes. (as it should)

👍 dhimmel, crypto.piotr

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@bashadow · Jul 30 '19

Finally, a real word on how the testing is going. People, (well at least myself), just wanted to know that testing was indeed taking place, that things are running as planned.

The imposition of a **deadline** though should not be needed. I know at some point someone will have to stand up and  say *"O-kay, we have had this in test mode now for six weeks. What are the current issues we are having, where do we need to focus our testing? What has been tested to satisfactory conditions?"*

While none of that may be know by the users, (me), at least you did let us know:

> As far as is known there is more than enough for super majority among the top 20 witnesses. 

For that you have my thanks.

👍 crypto.piotr, ijatz

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@justinw · Jul 30 '19

The last month was also a testing phase for us (as well as the witnesses and other developers). As a result, we can ensure a smoother hardfork as a few bugs were actually identified and solved.

Hard fork dates must be announced with enough time for businesses (especially exchanges) to be able to perform the upgrade. IF for some reason the majority of witnesses don't vote in this hardfork, it would not effect businesses that have upgraded - everything will keep on functioning as normal with the current hardfork version, even with the upgraded software.

👍 borislavzlatanov, waleedtee, crypto.piotr
👎 honusurf, coininstant, kdtkaren

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@bashadow · Jul 30 '19

$0.03

Understood, and thanks for the clarification on the purpose of the announcement.

👍 dustsweeper, crypto.piotr

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@pibara · Jul 31 '19

Testing is great and important. Have there been any parallel-feed tests this time to see how the code handles real account sizes, trafic, etc? But more importantly, are there any kill switches for the part of the HF that some people predict  might reap havoc on the platform or even drive a mass exodus? 

There are at least [seven different ways how HF21 could backfire](https://steemit.com/hardfork/@pibara/seven-different-ways-how-hf21-could-backfire), and it would be nice knowing you guys have kill switches and contingency plans in place on what to act if any of these scenarios end up playing out.

👍 crypto.piotr, ijatz

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@smooth · Jul 30 '19

Witness votes and therefore the elected witnesses can always change. There is no way to know for sure whether a hardfork is approved except to wait for the date and see what happens.

That said, all of the existing top 20 witnesses are in favor of it, as far as I know.

👍 crypto.piotr

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@bashadow · Jul 30 '19

$0.05

Thank you. I do understand that the top 20 witnesses can change at any time, even during a test period of a hard fork. HF21 has a lot of important items in it, it is nice to know that the testing is running smooth, that there have been few if any major problems with it. 

After 6 weeks of it being released for testing, it is nice to see some actual update on the progress from you and and a few other witnesses. I realize a few people think I am as Baah thinks, however name calling is not what this is about, if *"Drama"* needs to be created in order to **Learn** that everything is going as planned then drama it will be in the eyes of some, and retarded questions in the eyes of others.

 Thank you for the update, and it is good to hear that the current top 20 are not having any serious issues with any aspect of HF21.

👍 pibara, crypto.piotr

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