RE: HF21 and the Steem Vision by exyle

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hf21 · @exyle · Jun 4 '19

$0.63

> In a grand vision of Steem where millions of people are playing Splinterlands, sharing pictures on Appics, posting reviews on SteemHunt, logging their workout on Actifit, and so much more - all of which are using their own tokens with their own individual economies powered by Steem - does the curation split or reward curve of the STEEM token really matter? 

Thank you for speaking up as the current #1 witness and probably as one of the best ones we got. The above doesn't matter at all in the bigger picture and it's distracting from current goals Steemit inc. explicit said have more priority. 

One other point on the EIP is that it might make content discovery better. But considering this is an app-specific blockchain I fail to see what that has to do with apps.

Also, nobody knows 'for sure' what will happen and the 'hope' is that people will change their behavior. But none of this matters long term because apps will have their own token and economics.

But what if instead of making the current economics better it turns out to make it worse. Is this thought even considered in the decision-making process? Wouldn't that be something? What kind of message would that send and how much time will be spent fixing that.

Predicting human behavior by changing rules is extremely difficult. Just because we can control computer code doesn't mean we can control irrational/emotional human behavior. 

> If we can show the world that we have the potential to become the leading platform for websites and apps that want to take advantage of blockchain and crypto, I believe that the valuation of the STEEM token will quickly rise up to where it should be in comparison with other blockchain platforms with similar metrics.

With Splinterlands you guys are sure showing that. Thanks for that and thanks for being a witness for Steem.

👍 yabapmatt, rawutah, captainbob, mattclarke, abh12345, donald.porter, beat-the-bookies, d-zero, pandaparker

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@silentscreamer · Jun 4 '19 (edited)

>One other point on the EIP is that it might make content discovery better. But considering this is an app-specific blockchain I fail to see what that has to do with apps.

I didnt understand how that is going to happen? Will people upvote better content more? Will the bigger accounts stop upvoting friends and upvote other people? I have only ever seen a few curators do that and it is not easy being a curator. And ofc the curation teams like Dtube, Curie, OCD. 
Why will normal people start curating good content now instead of just voting friends that will vote them back? 
I was a curie curator for a couple months and even though it was fun at first that job is very hard and can get very boring.

👍 jlsplatts

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@eonwarped · Jun 4 '19

$0.88

It will give extra incentives to properly evaluate content. Don't really want to get into details here, but it's not really throwing darts at a board as many people are claiming. The steem system needs tweaks to motivate better behaviors, and a functional system will actually get us very far. Everyone is so anchored to their ways and resist change. To be fair, many believe the changes may be too much, but I think that they are in the right direction and well motivated. Equilibrium will shift, and will attack the behavior it is designed to attack (you can read some thoughts about the specifics in my blog if you want).


To reply to a specific comment in the main blog,

> does the curation split or reward curve of the STEEM token really matter? Does it help us achieve that goal or does it distract from it?

It does matter. Proponents of EIP are saying exactly that better economics will get us a better platform. Yes, we are building good bridges into other types of systems and that can happen in parallel, but the biggest one of all: Steem, could use some TLC. We can push for changes that improve both the main system and encourage SMTs. 

Keep in mind, it's not actually that much more time to incorporate these changes, compared to other goals. So I say tweak them. The whole mechanism is a game, and like any other game, it needs balance changes over time to correct the meta.

👍 michealb, justinw, gentlebot, silentscreamer

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@bil.prag · Jun 5 '19

$0.04

> Anyway, the point is, piling all of one's rshares into few posts is better than massive post farming now. 

> here's a downside to this though: it's harder to make money at all at the low end of rshares. 

So in essence, please don't bring new people to the platform, because only thing they will be able to do is leave. big acc, that we want to change their behavior, will not vote for them because, well why vote them when they know it could be that only few minnows will also vote for them. minnows should find 10 acc that have a decent content with a bit of organic votes, and some whales votes and just autovote for them. minnows voting for small acc will just be impossible, with a lot of 0 if they do.  

> As mentioned before, the intent of convergent linear is to make it unprofitable to create thousands of posts with small votes in an attempt to hide from everyone. 

in short term, punishing thousents because of hundred.

Even after reading all bunch about this, and reading your posts that are really well written, i could be wrong, and i would really want to know why am i wrong. because i only got 1 answer on this, and it was everyone will benefit with more curation, how do you not see that, you are just blind.

👍 eonwarped, valued-customer

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@michealb · Jun 5 '19 (edited)

{Keep in mind, it's not actually that much more time to incorporate these changes} cool i like your answer,

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@silentscreamer · Jun 6 '19

$0.03

I dont know. Im just not convinced by this change. I would love if bots would stop and people would curate more but it feels like it will cost too much. I heard there will also be something called the SPS that will reduce author rewards even more. 
I would love for curators to earn more but losing 30-40% of my rewards plus the 10% dtube already takes is scary to me. I dont want to lose motivation now that i started posting consistently. 
You say to Bil.prag: 

>If you are not first, the share of curation you are getting is not going to be that great.

If that is true, and to earn as much as now i would have to have 30$ posts instead of 15$, how can i expect that it will increase that much if curators wont want to upvote me because the curation share will be bad?

👍 eonwarped

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@smidge-tv · Jun 4 '19

hey , can anyone explain this ?

https://steemit.com/steem/@smidge-tv/after-exposing-berniesanders-kawaiicrush-suddenly-lost-all-rc-credits-wow

👍 valued-customer
👎 abusereports, iflagtrash

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@iflagtrash · Jun 4 '19

I flag trash (and morons).  You have received a flag.

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