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RE: Is Hive Watcher's doing a good job? by hivewatcher

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· @hivewatcher ·
Hi @niallon11

It would be probably better to check up on the actual proposal and discover a bit about the HW's actual activity. It is 290/day not 350/day.
For the marketing campaign, there is already a proposal running called "Value Plan".

https://hivel.ink/valueplan/@valueplan/q3-value-plan-proposal

If you have marketing ideas, you are welcome to forward them to @guityparties.

Regarding, themarkymark.
He has considered himself a Hive Blockchain martyr who has always done all the abuse fighting himself (that is limited to triggering his downvote bot on some accounts to auto-clear rewards on day 6) while no one else did any abuse fighting. At the same time, he has never done a single investigation on a single post to look for plagiarism, identity theft, etc.

He has been running the same tape "Steemcleaners/Hivewatchers do not deserve anything and I do all abuse fighting" since 2016. Our project/proposal is not the only one. He attacks all proposals. Maybe it's because he tried a proposal once and it never got a pass.

Since 2016, we have already explained in detail to him multiple times what tasks abuse fighting constitutes. The last time was in January.
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@bpcvoter2 ·
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@bpcvoter2 ·
>Btw, I was just looking at the rest of your voting and it seems pretty decent all up, so these stand out as weird and perhaps unnecessary.

4 days ago in #life by tarazkp (84)$0.00
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@mein-senf-dazu ·
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Wow "only" 290$.
For what?
Please answer it in my Post from yesterday, hope you read it and Answer  the other Questions, too.
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@obsesija · (edited)
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For blacklisting people like me, for example. In 2023, February, i have big problem with these people, or, maybe, 1-3 people, that claims to be hive watchers here. The discussion then is going about 2 months with these people, and they blocked , or blacklisted me, just because i use AI to beauty my posts. Now, a year after, PeakD has implemented AI for all the pople here, without no problems. But I'm still on the blacklist, so... That's are our great Salvation, the Hive Watchers here.

If you wish, you can look in my history of comments, and you will see, what a big-big discussion has been there, on many posts, and they blacklisted my comments too, so, they have that power... We don't. And we should use this as a free and decentralized community. It is not, it is just an illusion, what we are thinking the Hive is.

So, take a look on my journey and look at my comments about a year ago, and you will see, what a problems we have here, and who are these people in Hive Watchers. They use the power of others to punish self wishes and whistles. They blocked me before they have any of project there about how to use AI, or anything about AI. They just blacklisted people, just because some of them, don't like AI. Therefore, I have stop posting on Hive. They expect that all people should known all what they (self's) want. And that's b.s.

They create just problems here on Hive, but they claim they are like the gods here. They don't listen to us, people. If they think, someone make a mistake, they should first contact that person, and say, hey, look, do not use this, or do not do this, because of this. And if someone keep doing that thing, then blacklisting them, but not, without warning, without anything, just go and blacklisting all people, for example, who have used AI. Today, anything is AI. So what now? do we close the Hive?

We need to un-power this Hive watchers team, and create another one, with voting, and now polling too. Not just blindly keep giving power to these people in that hivewatchers tema what is now.

Folks, remove the voting and your HP given to this people in Hive Watchers tema, immediately, before they destroy the Hive. Great people go away from Hive, everyday. They go to blurp.blog, or bastyon.com, or minds.com, ...

Guys, we need to come to an agreement and simply delete this hive watchers team (2-3 people) from the tron โ€‹โ€‹forever. Otherwise we risk the title of this post.

Here are a few more posts from back then, where we had, so to speak, a very, very big discussion, but, to no avail, they just do what they want:

Post they made 2 months after they blacklisted me because before, they didn't have one:
https://peakd.com/ai/@hivewatchers/ai-generated-content-not-original-content#@elameadows/re-obsesija-sdc4mc

Then, this:
https://peakd.com/hive-157935/@emma-h/human-says-no#@obsesija/re-emma-h-rrg5uu

And this post:
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@whatsup/the-great-ai-debate-and-hive-watchers#@valued-customer/re-obsesija-rrndw8


and this one:
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@whatsup/the-great-ai-debate-and-hive-watchers#@galenkp/re-obsesija-rrjanf

... and this one too:
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@edicted/ai-content-is-too-easy#@arc7icwolf/re-obsesija-202338t163639458z

Please look at all the comments there, there are a lot of comments (mine are hidden almost everywhere, because the big HW team made it so that other people shouldn't see my comments, too much information from me about who they are, etc what they do.)

Greetings
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@valued-customer ·
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I miss your posts.

Post moar.

Thanks!
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@valued-customer ·
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> they should first contact that person, and say, hey, look, do not use this, or do not do this, because of this.

@cheetah used to do that.  It was vastly preferable.  However, there is a group that is censoring Hive users, and @cheetah didn't cut it for them.  They are throwing their stake at flagging people they don't like, not spam, scams, and plagiarism, and they've all but killed Hive - to keep the rewards pool for themselves.

HW and Steemcleaners are some of their weapons, and everything you've said is truthful and factually correct.  I was part of those confrontations back in 2023, and I firmly support your statements to this day.
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@niallon11 ·
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Hi hivewatchers.

Regardless of $290 or $350 where is that funding going to and why would you need $105K per year to downvote a few posts???

I've reread your proposal and it's vague. Without clear guidelines, instructions or help for people wanting to deal with your team. The website has not been developed and overall it's a small group of people exerting control over the community as it sees fit often to the detriment of that same community.

Where is the breakdown of these costs.
Why is there no clear list of infringements and related penalties.
Why is there no proper structure for reporting, disputing and process.
Where is the breakdown of value saved for the community as you claim.
Where is the cost of all the decent users that have been driven away by your downvotes.
Just zeroing rewards from users is not helping the platform or it's community.

We only have about 5000 active bloggers so these costs are absurd and this set up is not working for the majority of the community. The only reason that it has funding is due to @smooth and @blocktrades voting it.

I don't care about themarkymark. I'm not a huge fan of his. He has done both good and bad for hive but i agree with him on this current topic and have never been afraid to speak my mind. It's not my first year on hive and i've seen the damage that flagging has done over those years setting us back years in terms of user growth and retention.




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@smooth ·
> The only reason that it has funding is due to @smooth and @blocktrades voting it.

This is false. There are many other voters. If I unvoted it, for example, it would still be funded (which would not be the case if @blocktrades were the only remaining vote). 

Furthermore, if either or both of us changed our vote, there is no way to know how other stakeholders might respond by also changing their votes, potentially changing the outcome yet again.

Your conception of how DHF voting works is a bit off.
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@niallon11 ·
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Firstly, good to see you still around. Been a long time since i saw your name pop up in a comment section.


Fair enough. Your 6m (inc proxy) wouldn't drop it below the return proposal. 
I do know how it works and i did say due to you both supporting it.

But blocktrades 23M and your 6M is roughly 80% of the support for the proposal from just two accounts. Not very reflective of community or decentralized. 

Now i can't predict the outcomes but if you both stopped supporting it then it's hard to see the proposal getting over the return limit.

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@valued-customer ·
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You are falsely denying you and blocktrades have controlling stake, just as BlackRock does of corporations, without have the majority of stake.

Suckups pander to you whales.  Quit being disingenuous.
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@themarkymark ·
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> It would be probably better to check up on the actual proposal and discover a bit about the HW's actual activity. It is 290/day not 350/day.

You originally asked and got paid $350/day (blindly and immediately, even before you had a single comment on your proposal) until enough people made a stink about it and you reduced it to keep the gravy train going.
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@valued-customer ·
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Here's a marketing idea:  quit flagging our marketing team.  Everyone that posts content here AND elsewhere draws eyeballs here.  That's marketing.

Quit killing the golden goose.
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