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Why not just ask for 10k more per day in funding proposal instead of getting 10k from upvoted comments tho?
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Because voting for the stabilizer is also a way to fund the DHF itself more (unlike a proposal).
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So lets say that the proposal was getting 67k daily and is getting like 10k daily from upvotes on comments. Is there a reason for why the proposal can't ask for 77k? I am assuming there is some sort of hard cap that one account can ask for maybe, or that the voters decided 67k is enough and others still want to continue so they upvote comments?
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The only hard cap on the DHF is that only 1% of the total amount can be spent daily, so a proposal could ask for 77K HBD/day right now. But such a proposal would be functionally different from voting on the comments: a proposal that funds the stabilizer would only increase the DHF funds to the extent that the stabilizer makes a profit (because the base amount from the proposal is just recycled back to the DHF and only the profit gets added). Voting on the comments increases the amount of DHF funds much more directly. I realized the above might not be clear enough, so I've added some example numbers. Let's assume that the hbdstabilizer is profiting at 0.1% per day right now (this is just a hypothetical number for the sake of an example, profits for hbdstabilizer vary a lot depending on HBD market pricing and I don't know what the current profit percentage is). An extra 10K per day as a proposal would then add 10K HBD * .1% = 10 HBD profit to the DHF. Compare this to 10K HBD added via voting on the hbdstabilizer comments, and you can see it's a dramatic difference (1000x more).
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The DHF has a limited amount of funds (which voting for the comments increase, as @blocktrades told you). There is a cap on the total DHF budget. As I indicated in my other comment, the stabilizer has consistently maxed it out. The comment rewards are in addition, to supplement DHF funds, not instead.
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> *Why not just ask for 10k more per day in funding proposal instead of getting 10k from upvoted comments tho?* My guess = because that doesn't have 50% curation rewards.
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frankbacon | 0 | 87,660,510,413 | 100% | ||
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As stated elsewhere, it doesn't matter what someone votes for in terms of curation, as long as it isn't being heavily downvoted. Curation rewards are just for participation. Once you factor in someone's stake, their curation rewards are largely fixed, as long as they bother to vote. If you don't like this, you'll need more downvoting so curation rewards actually reflect voting in accordance with stakeholder consensus on the best use for rewards. I'm all in favor of that, as you know.
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And as I've stated in response many times, and nobody has addressed, the big difference is that by **voting on content**, stake is decentralized because half goes to the authors, while in this case y'all are able to maintain your 50% curation, **AND** keep the rest by sending it all to the "fund," where just a couple accounts (the ones upvoting these spam comments) decide how it's rewarded. It's just self-voting with extra steps.
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The DHF is very limited. We're already close to maxed out on the DHF budget for hdbstabilizer (we were literally maxed out 100% for months until recently but now a few hundred below and could use another proposal, which I will do when I get a chance).
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I've read many of the comments. I'm thankful for all the back and forth. It creates transparency, taking this past from a five alarm fire to, "oh, that's what's going on." Thank you for speaking up and out... to everyone, really. It helps flush everything out.
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smooth | 0 | 1,230,283,734,591 | 1% | ||
frankbacon | 0 | 82,519,240,975 | 100% | ||
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Here 👆 herE 
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