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· @valued-customer ·
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None of this matters.  What matters is users.  Hive is hemorrhaging users steadily, and that userbase is what matters.  It's the users that matter, that imbue the token with value, and we're down to ~3k humans, while some of the whales have 10x that many accounts.

We've lost >1M users since 2017.  That's not going to be reversed by funding a rally car.

Hive's not dying.  It's weekend at Bernie's around here.
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@mobbs ·
It's inherent in the entire model. Without an owner, a CEO, a Ned Scott, there's no individual incentive to see to its growth. Everyone can just handwave it off to everybody else
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@valued-customer ·
There is an owner, it's just an association of whales.  A few dozen whales command the vast majority of rewards, and tailor their capture to their needs.  The user base has been reduced to a few thousand actual people, which actually lend a veneer of legitimacy to the platform and extend the duration of Hive to it's profiteers.

I await the eventuation of an actual censorship resistant social media platform that delivers what Hive only promises.  

@ned well revealed the motivations of oligarchs.  Plutocracies are contraindicated as management of societies, for the obvious reason that plutocrats only seek their benefit.  Actual decentralization will eventuate, somewhere.  Somewhere else, apparently.
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@mobbs ·
> There is an owner, it's just an association of whales. 

Well, yeah I suppose, functionally so. 

>I await the eventuation of an actual censorship resistant social media platform that delivers what Hive only promises.

They have come and gone dozens of times. I remember feeling threatened that our project here is to vanish with the latest competition over and over again. They all centralise and vanish... That says something about the idea, I reckon.
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@taskmaster4450le ·
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Users are only one network effect.

>That's not going to be reversed by funding a rally car.

Yep.  Pretty dumb use of funds.  Who saw Tony Stewart racing and said I have to go to Home Depot and buy 2x4s?  Nobody.

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@valued-customer ·
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People are the fundamental purpose of society, and Hive is a society that has no purpose without it's users.  I know there are AI bots I interact with already, that have become competent to post and comment better than most people.  Hive is becoming a few whales that funnel all the tokens into their wallets using bots, while the actual society withers and is flagged away.

In the meantime the market for censorship resistance grows apace with increasing censorship across the social media landscape, and society increasingly suffers the inability to shout 'Fire!' in a burning theater.  This isn't merely an economic or financial matter.  It's a matter of survival, and people are dying by the millions for lack of forthright speech.  What Hive could be becomes increasingly valuable to humanity, while Hive loses it's ability to provide that value due to regulatory capture by the oligarchy that own it.
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@taskmaster4450le ·
>In the meantime the market for censorship resistance grows apace with increasing censorship across the social media landscape, and society increasingly suffers the inability to shout 'Fire!' in a burning theater. This isn't merely an economic or financial matter. It's a matter of survival, and people are dying by the millions for lack of forthright speech. What Hive could be becomes increasingly valuable to humanity, while Hive loses it's ability to provide that value due to regulatory capture by the oligarchy that own it.

That is true and Hive does solve that.  

>while Hive loses it's ability to provide that value due to regulatory capture by the oligarchy that own it.

Not sure what this has to do with censorship resistance.  All is posted on chain and can be accessed.
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@thedistriator ·
This allows you to get paid passively for onboarding businesses and new users. Its free for everyone on hive to use and receive value for evangelizing Hive.  https://hive.blog/hive-106130/@thedistriator/distriator-the-new-auto-cashback-reward-app-for-spending-in-bitcoin-lighting-and-hive-dollars
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@valued-customer ·
What we need is to retain users that make the effort to onboard.  That will require a fund nominal to mitigate opinion flags and a bot capable of it.  @freezepeach has not managed to provide nominal mitigation despite the outstanding persons and intent of that service.

Hive has lost ~2M accounts since 2017.  It has lost untold tens of millions that they would have onboarded through their networks.  Hive will not recapture those users nor dissipate the stench of their outrage at being flagged off the platform by any lesser means, nor perhaps by any means short of ending the ability of taxation to censor forthright speech.

I appreciate your substantive consideration, but only ceasing taxing of free speech will suffice to the problem.
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@thelogicaldude ·
I completely agree that the rally car is one of the biggest wastes of DHF funds I have ever seen. 
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