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RE: Although subjectively downvoting posts to zero is anathema to me, the Layer 1 ability to do so must remain (for now at least) by scholaris.pob

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· @scholaris.pob ·
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I feel this post is well-rewarded given the professionalism and information on governance that is presented.  When you include the engagement for this post, I think it's under-rewarded.  It gets very tiring reading emotional rants about voting and the influence these types of posts can garner.  I feel like I've lost months of work from only a couple of tirades.  

The engagement alone is worth the value and serves as a basis for how people should communicate.  I mean, how many articles are there that just discusses the system and its rules with the likes of yourself, trost, dan, and anyone else who wishes to discuss their views on the matter.  There's no animosity, just a discussion of what is and the plans of what could be.

This is the kind of example of an article/engagement I'll be passing on to newcomers for recommended reading.



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@azircon ·
I agree. You can read my conversation with the author.
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@jelly13 ·
It is difficult to accept you agree with the last line given that two hours earlier you had berated someone else for socially engaging with the post beyond pressing the vote button (to be fair, I am not saying the attempt ended up productive).

Staying on the topic of over-rewarding while avoiding cluttering the convo you are referencing, I decided to follow your advice on enjoying small things in life and upvoted the comment you considered over-rewarded. It might not be worth $20 to people who prefer makeup tutorials, flat earth or particle physics but that does not make downvoting it morally acceptable (whether it is 20->0 or 5000->4999) as long as the system is set up (knowingly or incidentally) so that challenging the DV is disproportionately more costly than casting the DV. 

Is it morally acceptable to DV a comment that earns $1 for posting "I am in" in a giveaway thread? I do not know. It is still valuable to two accounts (which hopefully translates to two people). I think it is not but I understand I am taking a moral risk whenever I DV it. 

You do the same with your DVs so I whenever I disagree with them (verbally - I wish I could do more but I cannot), it does not mean I disrespect your opinion nor your stake. I am open to be voted out of the platform if my POV is not compatibile with the rules. I am actually happy to get an honest feedback like that and move on, that is how life works. 

*Clarification: azircon has never DVed me IIRC, my reputation value was set up by one single account unrelated to this thread (although I got some more DVs that are not significant for that) and trostparadox had honestly tried to counter the DV before he concluded that "I deserved it".*

For a legitimate content creator on a healthy platform, receiving a subjective DV is a blessing as it makes regular people feel bad for them and the emotions are going to fuel a back-fire. Hive 25.0 is not healthy platform because the "Countering DVs costs money" signs are on every wall. **People challenging DVing in general while deriving their arguments from the specifics of the current flawed system are fooling themselves.** Fingers crossed for Hive 26.0.

Quick note in case TP happens to read this: "Guarding the reward pool" includes both "guarding against abuse" and "guarding against my opposition". It is not different to the way other forms of public funds are being governed in practice.  

*Sorry if it feels like a rant. I know noone is interested in that (neither am I). I am trying to pass views from the land of shadow-ban. I wish you guys could lend a negative reputation account for a month, it is a refreshing experience if you can stand it.*
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@balte · (edited)
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Why are still complaining about your reputation?
You are not "shadow-banned", your thoughts are written in the chain, just your reputation is down. 
You started your crusade or your social experiment -as you called it- with some bloggers mainly from the D-A-CH- area, you were insulting people from other countries, which are writing posts in a language you dont speak as far as i know, you were telling stupid conspiracy bullshit and you made wrong accusations about the "most toxic"-as you called it- community from switzerland, austria and germany, you still give constantly downvotes without any discussions due to your personal blacklist and you were ignoring a lot of peace offers.
So, i asked you many times, whats wrong with you?
Think you would like to you see in a role as a poor shadow banned victim on a crusade, but you are no victim, you are the actor in this game.
Eyerybody, who wants, can check this out.
Best regards.
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@wil.metcalfe ·
100%. It has become tiring and it also has distracted many from what could be. Hive talking about Hive shows that we are not yet mature and these could be considered growing pains. We have not arrived yet and have a long way to go to innovate Hive to where it should be. A top 10 coin. The longer we take to establish social norms with actual code… the worse off this blockchain and it’s community becomes. Every one of us has made a decision to trade our perfectly good Bitcoin for Hive. We have done so with the expectation that Hive (in the long run) will be something the world needs just as much as the Bitcoin we traded it for. But I have a feeling missing another Bitcoin bull run is going to reduce our numbers significantly… and right now it’s all hands on deck so how we treat our own does matter.

This is a post that’s extremely valuable… and unfortunately so. The sooner we switch from talking about Hive to using Hive to talk about what people care about (more widely) the sooner Hive will reach mass adoption and become what it could be.

Before that can happen… the DV and it’s current use needs thought and innovation.

Thank you for your comment.

-Wil
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