create account

A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three) by falkvinge

View this thread on: hive.blogpeakd.comecency.com
· @falkvinge ·
$1,936.21
A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)
**In this three-part series, I'm going to show how a state can be a pure market actor and not require taxation. The state will still have an income - cynics would call it taxes under any other name - but the key difference is that the income is obtained through market means, based on a state's USP, and not through coercion by force. This leads to a society where the state does not need to know anybody's income, wealth, or transactions, leading to the obsolescence of most registers and reporting requirements (including the elimination of a corporate register), and where a "black market" is a contradiction in terms, as the state does not interfere with the market it is a natural part of. It also means an end to victimless crimes by its very nature.**

<center>![Image: plots of land](https://falkvinge.net/files/2016/09/plots-of-land.jpg)</center>

### Recap

In [part one](https://steemit.com/liberty/@falkvinge/a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-one-of-three), we observed that there are different tiers of land ownership, where a higher-tier owner (say, a landlord) has the say over which lower-tier land owners get to believe they own the land - and that the highest-tier land owner are today's states (countries), which are the only actors capable of repelling other tier-one land owners. Thus, a state is the only actor _capable_ of owning land, and can therefore lease it to lower-tier actors to generate income. 

In [part two](https://steemit.com/liberty/@falkvinge/a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-two-of-three), we see that this proposal leads to a low-friction economy where there are no taxation, reporting, or recording burdens on _any_ transaction, and which therefore is in prime state to maximize the sheer _quantity_ of value-optimizing voluntary transactions, thereby creating wealth better than the economies in competing states. Further, we observe that all taxes - income tax, corporate tax, sales tax, etc - go out the window. In turn, we also see that there is no tax wedge _at all_ which would prevent profitability of division of labor, and therefore, this proposal also enables an _efficiency_ optimization not present anywhere else.


### Part Three: How a land lease would work

This leads us to the question of how such land leases would work in practice, since it's absolutely crucial to get the incentives right. We want to encourage development and land improvement that facilitates additional trade, after all. We also want to facilitate urbanization, as physical proximity of people naturally increase the number of trades taking place. This is therefore a proposal with all its possible flaws for further development.

<center>![Shitload of money](http://falkvinge.net/files/2014/01/Shitload_USD.jpg)</center>

Absent a _tabula rasa_ state where there is no existing ownership or lease of land plots, a proposal like this must relate to the previous order of things. It is therefore desirable to mimick the current tier-two ownership of land as closely as possible, maybe even to the point of calling the lease a "land ownership tax" under any other name. Economies do not respond well to changes to fundamental frameworks and we want to minimize systemic disruption while optimizing wealth and efficiency potentials.

In particular, we want to ensure that market actors feel secure in investing in their land plots - to make sure that there's no yearly bidding process or similar where they can be overbid after having spent enormous amounts improving their plot. Therefore, it's important that a lease lasts until surrendered one way or the other - closely mimicking the way we think of ownership. However, the lease contract can and would typically stipulate that pricing will vary with market conditions - possibly within a limited scope, to reduce risk to land improvement on the plot.

When a lease expires, though - either due to being surrendered or due to serious lapse of payment - the plot can be auctioned off to a new lease for proper price discovery, and this can be weighted in to the general price landscape of the area. More on this later.

Thus, only a very small part of the population would have to deal with the state at all. The rest would have a functioning economy that just needed to feed landlords for their lease costs, and that could work however they please to set up a low-friction economy.


### Grandfathering and Initial pricing

This leads to the question of how you phase in a system like this. Realistically, you'd need a lot of political capital and a desire to move the entire state construct in this direction, so we can safely assume that a lot of the current state expenditure will be cut rather unceremoniously. Regardless, at the end of the day, you'll have a budget which states an income you desire for this state construct. Let's call this number X for now - an income which will need to come from land leases, and _only_ from land leases.

I propose this X be divided across all current plots of land by area, weighted by the square root of nearby population density, so that the total leasing price arrives at X plus some safety margin of about 5%. This solves a number of problems and doesn't solve a few others:

First, leasing the plot price proportional to land area makes sense - that 1 km² costs half of 2 km².

Second, making land significantly more expensive in cities than out on the countryside also makes obvious sense (hence the weighting by "nearby population density" - a number which will be single-digit on the countryside and four- or five-digit in the cities).

<center>![Image of land development](https://falkvinge.net/files/2011/08/iStock_000014201586Small.jpg)</center>

Third, why weight by the _square root_ of population density, rather than linearly? This is actually rather important, because if the weighting was linear, you would not gain from trying to stack people more densely together in land improvement. But when weighting logarithmically, by using the square root, we're creating an enormous incentive to use land in the cities more effectively, to house more people per square meter - essentially a developer getting more rent income at a lower land cost. If the weighting was linear, an increase in people would correspond to a linear increase in land cost, removing this incentive.

What this doesn't factor in - can't factor in - are the sparsely populated and hugely expensive areas, akin to the mansion area in Beverly Hills. It also doesn't factor in resource deposits (a gold mine in the wilderness would be dirt cheap, and this may need adjustment to enter ballpark of reason). But the next section fixes that over time.

In any case, with this weighting, we can set our initial state income from contractual land lease by applying X over the respective plot weights. This assumes, of course, that the existing plot owners choose to agree to those leases - but most plots of land should find a customer, and the 5% safety margin above is to factor in a certain initial healthy vacancy.


### Adding market incentives to pricing

After the initial pricing, when leases are terminated by the customer (or the customer defaults on payment), land plots can be _auctioned_ for lease moving forward. This creates a price discovery mechanism for the general area that can be factored in to the nearby plot lease pricing according to some to-be-determined mechanism that's left as a minor implementation detail.

We're also creating a secondary market where customers can trade leases directly between themselves, in what was previously buying and selling plots of land in tier-two ownership. This also assists in price discovery and highlights value differentials in the market.


### Problems and considerations

With a shift in how you regard a state as large as this proposal, there are a number of problems and questions to consider.

One of the first is **whether someone can opt out of the lease entirely and still occupy the land, excluding others from its utility**. The answer to that question, under this proposal, would be no. Such a mechanism would create an incentive to let all the border plots of land pay for the military defense of the entire country. It's noteworthy, that under _Land Value Tax_ philosophy which is similar in implementation but not philosophy, a payment for lease of the land is also a compensation to the community for a right to exclude other people of the same community from said land - after all, land property is of a completely different type than property you can hold in your hand and move physically, like an apple. But this proposal focuses primarily on the state as a fair market actor, rather than justifying a taxation with some obligation to compensate others for exclusion.

Still, in the realm of politics, this proposal takes the state construct 75% of the way toward such an opt-out being possible in the future.

A second good question is **whether this isn't just a reset button on state power**, and which would enable the state to slowly grow back over time. This may be true, even if the proposal severely hinders such a growback by getting rid not only of taxation mechanisms, but also of the taxation discovery mechanisms (transaction reporting and recording infrastructure). That said, a hostile takeover could build such structures back over a 20-30 year period. But expressed differently, if you _did_ have a reset button on the state's ability to commit violence, would you not push it?

A third question that has popped up is the **existence of a social safety net**. There's nothing in this proposal that precludes the state from providing civil services. For myself, I'm a warm proponent of Friedrich Hayek's and Milton Friedman's proposal of a Universal Basic Income to all citizens, as it does not require any bureaucracy at all for qualification, and allows the recipients to provide price discovery in how such a small basic income is best spent.


### Conclusion

A state can be a pure market actor and not require taxation. This enables enormous gains in efficiency, as the tax wedge can be completely eliminated, and enables wealth creation through maximization of the quantity of voluntary trades. Doing so does not preclude civil services or a social safety net. The proposal also allows for the elimination of all state databases except the citizen registry and the land registry, drastically reducing bureaucracy, and eliminates victimless crimes just by its nature of being a market actor.
👍  , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , and 280 others
👎  
properties (23)
authorfalkvinge
permlinka-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty","anarchy","capitalism","policy","taxless"],"image":["https://falkvinge.net/files/2016/09/plots-of-land.jpg","http://falkvinge.net/files/2014/01/Shitload_USD.jpg","https://falkvinge.net/files/2011/08/iStock_000014201586Small.jpg"],"links":["https://steemit.com/liberty/@falkvinge/a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-one-of-three"]}
created2016-09-01 14:56:18
last_update2016-09-01 14:56:18
depth0
children54
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value1,791.607 HBD
curator_payout_value144.603 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length10,518
author_reputation19,698,725,545,205
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,085,258
net_rshares138,662,386,329,872
author_curate_reward""
vote details (345)
@aggroed ·
Um, why don't we just start a fiat currency and issue money to citizens and allot some to government.  No taxes necessary.

www.palcoin.org as a possible example.
properties (22)
authoraggroed
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160902t033735445z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-02 03:37:39
last_update2016-09-02 03:37:39
depth1
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length162
author_reputation1,357,478,957,843,020
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,093,952
net_rshares0
@cryptogee ·
Thank you @falkvinge, another article which made me think; one thing I was pondering as I was reading, was; doesn't space play a massive part in how effective a policy like this could work?

In countries such as your own, whereby you have a high, Sq KM/per person ratio, it may work better than in a country say like Japan, which has most of it's population living on 3% of its landmass.

I'd love to know your thoughts.

Thanks

*Cg*
properties (22)
authorcryptogee
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160902t103059101z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"],"users":["falkvinge"]}
created2016-09-02 10:31:03
last_update2016-09-02 10:31:03
depth1
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length434
author_reputation419,387,439,147,428
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,096,774
net_rshares0
@darknet · (edited)
$0.05
> enables wealth creation through maximization of the quantity of voluntary trades

Here, here!


You have my vote.
👍  
properties (23)
authordarknet
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t150152496z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 15:01:54
last_update2016-09-01 15:02:54
depth1
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.036 HBD
curator_payout_value0.011 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length115
author_reputation3,354,530,245,153
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,085,334
net_rshares124,630,823,405
author_curate_reward""
vote details (1)
@demotruk ·
What exactly is it that limits this state to a market actor? They retain a monopoly on violence, indeed it's the source of their power.

Feudal society is believed to have formed on a similar, initially voluntary system. Vassals would pay fealty to the Lord who would offer his protection, but it quickly became non-voluntary as the Lord can enforce payment of fealty while the Vassal can only hope for protection.

I also don't see why we would be motivated to take care of our land when it becomes a financial burden to us and can be seized by the state upon non-payment of rent (or any other reason, as you said at the start the ability to seize/protect land by force is the source of their power).
👍  
properties (23)
authordemotruk
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t162102875z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 16:21:06
last_update2016-09-01 16:21:06
depth1
children2
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length701
author_reputation279,432,316,614,132
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,086,443
net_rshares54,285,969
author_curate_reward""
vote details (1)
@elriel ·
I think the key to understanding this proposal is to realize that the state does not have to be a small subgroup of people (or in other words, elite) that it, in effect, is today. State's power is born from the people and as long as it's not centralized in the hands of a small elite who can use it to walk over most everyone else, most of your comments lose their significance.

As for the motivation to take care of the land, why on earth would you be voluntarily paying for it if all it was for you was financial burden?
properties (22)
authorelriel
permlinkre-demotruk-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160909t025635123z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-09 02:56:36
last_update2016-09-09 02:56:36
depth2
children1
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length523
author_reputation1,737,040
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,180,027
net_rshares0
@demotruk ·
The value of land to an individual can change due to unforeseen events. When land is property, it is more usually a cushion against changing circumstances. When there is a large tax on your land, changing financial circumstances may force you to have to abandon the land when you otherwise wouldn't, as it has become a liability in this system.
properties (22)
authordemotruk
permlinkre-elriel-re-demotruk-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160909t045205558z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-09 04:52:09
last_update2016-09-09 04:52:09
depth3
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length344
author_reputation279,432,316,614,132
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,180,714
net_rshares0
@djm34 ·
love that myth of "victimless crimes". 
There is always a victim, may-be no one dies, but someone definitely lose money. (since what you call victimless crime is fraud... )

Question: 
* speeding on the highway: victimless crime too (if no one gets hurt).  
* drunk driving ? 
* else ?
👍  
properties (23)
authordjm34
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160902t133717108z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-02 13:37:15
last_update2016-09-02 13:37:15
depth1
children5
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length285
author_reputation7,585,773,061,999
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,098,350
net_rshares55,277,050
author_curate_reward""
vote details (1)
@occam ·
Drug abuse is commonly considered to be a victimless crime (if not even the prime example of a victimless crime). But is it really that simple? When the drug abuse is very serious, and the drug addict wants to get rid och his addiction, there certainly is suffering, and hence a victim.
properties (22)
authoroccam
permlinkre-djm34-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160903t131239918z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-03 13:12:39
last_update2016-09-03 13:12:39
depth2
children4
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length286
author_reputation560,896,458
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,110,835
net_rshares0
@falkvinge ·
Are you asserting that an unfulfilled desire, even without interaction with other people, is a victimizing condition that merits criminalization? That's the logic of your statement.
properties (22)
authorfalkvinge
permlinkre-occam-re-djm34-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160903t215001259z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-03 21:50:00
last_update2016-09-03 21:50:00
depth3
children3
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length181
author_reputation19,698,725,545,205
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,116,147
net_rshares0
@eric-boucher ·
$0.09
I have not yet read the other parts, but am inspired and glad to come across this article. thank you for your writing and proposal. All for one and one for all!  Namaste    :)
👍  ,
properties (23)
authoreric-boucher
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t160326889z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 16:03:27
last_update2016-09-01 16:03:27
depth1
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.082 HBD
curator_payout_value0.008 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length175
author_reputation68,503,601,066,539
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,086,174
net_rshares220,946,415,507
author_curate_reward""
vote details (2)
@freebornangel ·
Keep working, stop paying.
Any plan that leaves wage slavery in place only insures that you will have a boss.
It's a club, and we ain't in it.
properties (22)
authorfreebornangel
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t155655435z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 15:56:54
last_update2016-09-01 15:56:54
depth1
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length142
author_reputation171,005,551,503,977
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,086,087
net_rshares0
@freebornangel ·
This guy thinks something along your lines.
The time you spend learning his info will not be wasted.
http://cafr1.com/
properties (22)
authorfreebornangel
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t155822444z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"],"links":["http://cafr1.com/"]}
created2016-09-01 15:58:21
last_update2016-09-01 15:58:21
depth1
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length118
author_reputation171,005,551,503,977
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,086,103
net_rshares0
@gikitiki ·
I find your series fascinating.  You are expanding my mind to the fact that this may be possible. (I'm not convinced yet)

In future posts will you be discussing infrastructure?  i.e. Water, sewers, roads from dense populations to sparse populations and the continual maintenance?  This is where I am interested.  

Watching three neighbours who share a three-unit townhouse and could not come to an agreement on replacing the shingles on their roof (all three units were likely leaking due to disrepair.   I wonder what it would be like when the price tag is in the millions to repair a stretch of road.

Keep up the good work.
properties (22)
authorgikitiki
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t151922819z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 15:19:21
last_update2016-09-01 15:19:21
depth1
children2
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length628
author_reputation16,572,681,158,525
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,085,584
net_rshares0
@falkvinge ·
There is a very interesting town in India where municipal infrastructure did not keep up with the growth of the city. The result was a network of private and public options for water and other plumbing, where people just sign up to the cheapest (most cost-efficient) option. Fascinating.
👍  
properties (23)
authorfalkvinge
permlinkre-gikitiki-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t161646421z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 16:16:45
last_update2016-09-01 16:16:45
depth2
children1
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length287
author_reputation19,698,725,545,205
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,086,371
net_rshares54,285,969
author_curate_reward""
vote details (1)
@gikitiki ·
Is there a link to this city?
properties (22)
authorgikitiki
permlinkre-falkvinge-re-gikitiki-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t170658878z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 17:07:00
last_update2016-09-01 17:07:00
depth3
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length29
author_reputation16,572,681,158,525
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,087,099
net_rshares0
@hilarski ·
$0.08
I am opting out.  ;  )

https://media.giphy.com/media/wKiZeZVXS5MQg/giphy.gif
👍  , , , ,
properties (23)
authorhilarski
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t150333633z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"],"image":["https://media.giphy.com/media/wKiZeZVXS5MQg/giphy.gif"]}
created2016-09-01 15:03:36
last_update2016-09-01 15:03:36
depth1
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.077 HBD
curator_payout_value0.004 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length77
author_reputation488,873,580,141,533
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,085,363
net_rshares203,235,020,075
author_curate_reward""
vote details (5)
@ionescur ·
I have to admit I am more of a fan of the Land Value Tax idea, but I am not sure i fully understand how thins works.

For example I am not clear how long these leases would be, because I assume they need to be reevaluated periodically if there is going to be a market and prices for them. If you find gold on your land why on earth would you let a cheap lease expire?

Also what about inheritance? Can my child take over my lease in order for example not to lose the house I built?

Also, without sales taxes, how will the state nanny us around and discourage icky stuff like tobacco, alcohol and sugar?
properties (22)
authorionescur
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t160556495z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 16:06:03
last_update2016-09-01 16:06:03
depth1
children1
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length603
author_reputation12,065,350,765,994
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,086,211
net_rshares0
@jamesc · (edited)
>Also, without sales taxes, how will the state nanny us around and discourage icky stuff like tobacco, alcohol and sugar?

Studies and statistics imply that people don't poison themselves if they are well connected and happy.  I put my eggs in that basket, this is very intuitive to me.  After childhood, the training wheels are off.  Encourage and treat the issues as health and emotional problems as they arise.  A healthy society will be quick to recognize and reconnect those that are having trouble.
properties (22)
authorjamesc
permlinkre-ionescur-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160902t131832044z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-02 13:18:30
last_update2016-09-02 13:21:36
depth2
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length504
author_reputation11,900,157,451,513
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,098,191
net_rshares0
@jamesc · (edited)
$0.05
> Realistically, you'd need a lot of political capital and a desire to move the entire state construct in this direction

Create a blockchain that works so well it takes care of this on its own.  I can only see this working if all the leasing and expenditures are done on block-chains (or better) under smart contracts.  The state as we know it has got to change too, paying the state is sickening thought to me.  The idea of paying smart contracts might be something we can tolerate.

A Universal Basic Income would be ideal here too so people without an income would always have the right to occupy and farm land too.  Smart contracts could ensure this money is not mis-managed.
👍  , ,
properties (23)
authorjamesc
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t153055859z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 15:30:54
last_update2016-09-01 15:37:06
depth1
children3
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.040 HBD
curator_payout_value0.011 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length680
author_reputation11,900,157,451,513
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,085,742
net_rshares132,287,972,752
author_curate_reward""
vote details (3)
@falkvinge ·
> Create a blockchain that works so well it takes care of this on its own. I can only see this working if all the leasing and expenditures are done on block-chains (or better) under smart contracts

That's a feature of this proposal: it very much encourages a reconstruction to more efficient market technologies like smart contracts as you describe.
👍  ,
properties (23)
authorfalkvinge
permlinkre-jamesc-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t161849402z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 16:18:48
last_update2016-09-01 16:18:48
depth2
children2
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length350
author_reputation19,698,725,545,205
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,086,405
net_rshares4,082,193,213
author_curate_reward""
vote details (2)
@darknet ·
I am a smart-contract developer, and this is my biggest 'dream scenario' for the way 'government' funds are 'handled'.
👍  
properties (23)
authordarknet
permlinkre-falkvinge-re-jamesc-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t162515152z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 16:25:15
last_update2016-09-01 16:25:15
depth3
children1
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length118
author_reputation3,354,530,245,153
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,086,511
net_rshares56,547,885
author_curate_reward""
vote details (1)
@jonaswakefield · (edited)
@falkvinge I graciously appreciate the awareness you have brought to the relationship between the "Blockchain" and the "State". 

The Blockchain is tier 1 owner.
Private Keys are tier 2 ownership.

I was in the falconwing with a different alias :)

I have a question...

     we're creating an enormous incentive to use land in the cities 
     more effectively, to house more people per square meter
    - essentially a developer getting more rent income at a lower land cost. 
     If the weighting was linear, an increase in people would correspond to a 
     linear increase in land cost, removing this incentive.

This appears to be the basis of the idea - Harvesting people is the most beneficial economic activity for the "State" to protect.

And so to my question: 

What happens if no people inhabit that land but it is agriculture... or server farms?
👍  
properties (23)
authorjonaswakefield
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160902t052253254z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"],"users":["falkvinge"]}
created2016-09-02 05:22:54
last_update2016-09-02 05:23:48
depth1
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length860
author_reputation15,361,438,667
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,094,698
net_rshares317,684,831
author_curate_reward""
vote details (1)
@jrcornel ·
It sounds like it's just a State Reset button to me...

Things were done similar to this in the past and it got to where we are today... not sure why this time would be different?!
👍  , ,
properties (23)
authorjrcornel
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t155903447z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 15:59:03
last_update2016-09-01 15:59:03
depth1
children2
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length180
author_reputation2,133,450,396,741,846
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,086,112
net_rshares989,678,062
author_curate_reward""
vote details (3)
@falkvinge ·
Even if it is: if you had a State Reset button, would you not push it?
👍  
properties (23)
authorfalkvinge
permlinkre-jrcornel-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t181704715z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 18:17:03
last_update2016-09-01 18:17:03
depth2
children1
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length70
author_reputation19,698,725,545,205
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,088,167
net_rshares54,285,969
author_curate_reward""
vote details (1)
@jrcornel ·
Possibly, as long as it doesn't interfere with the technological explosion that has coincided with it the first time.
properties (22)
authorjrcornel
permlinkre-falkvinge-re-jrcornel-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t191448210z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 19:14:51
last_update2016-09-01 19:14:51
depth3
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length117
author_reputation2,133,450,396,741,846
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,088,828
net_rshares0
@jsteck ·
Still not ready to jump in and agree. But again (as I commented on Part 1) your tone, and thoughtfulness, are much more compelling to a "not anarchist" like myself than much of what I (accidentally) read here.  Keeping my eyes and mind open.
properties (22)
authorjsteck
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160902t003506523z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-02 00:35:06
last_update2016-09-02 00:35:06
depth1
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length241
author_reputation1,385,142,756,985
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,092,569
net_rshares0
@linkback-bot-v0 ·
This post has been linked to from another place on Steem.
* [Anarchy is not the Entire Answer. It Really Begins with Ahimsa](https://steemit.com/anarchy/@floweroflife/anarchy-is-not-the-answer-the-answer-is-ahimsa-at-least-a-major-part-of-it) by [@floweroflife](https://steemit.com/@floweroflife)

[Learn more about linkback bot](https://steemit.com/steemit/@ontofractal/steem-linkback-bot-update-v0-2-release)
properties (22)
authorlinkback-bot-v0
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160902t153857496z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"],"links":["https://steemit.com/anarchy/@floweroflife/anarchy-is-not-the-answer-the-answer-is-ahimsa-at-least-a-major-part-of-it","https://steemit.com/@floweroflife","https://steemit.com/steemit/@ontofractal/steem-linkback-bot-update-v0-2-release"]}
created2016-09-02 15:38:57
last_update2016-09-02 15:38:57
depth1
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length410
author_reputation1,915,954,976,722
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,099,696
net_rshares0
@luminousvisions · (edited)
#### Often when people say we need to get rid of the government, the response to that is; but then what? what to replace it with?

### well ... 'something like steemit'

#### I see steemit as a very important stepping stone, this will already force a paradigm shift. And just like bitcoin was the stepping stone for steemit ... 

### We will eventually have our anarchistic system to replace the government ... it's inevitable.

## This is where it all starts! This is history in the making!
👍  , , ,
properties (23)
authorluminousvisions
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t154110858z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 15:41:12
last_update2016-09-02 16:22:24
depth1
children4
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length491
author_reputation-8,545,544,437,418
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,085,881
net_rshares14,641,742,058
author_curate_reward""
vote details (4)
@heretickitten ·
An anarchist system?

A system? Oh my. Oh myyyyy.

What an interesting, and even terrifying, use of words.
properties (22)
authorheretickitten
permlinkre-luminousvisions-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t161253222z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 16:12:57
last_update2016-09-01 16:12:57
depth2
children3
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length106
author_reputation30,612,025,911,746
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,086,315
net_rshares0
@luminousvisions ·
$0.08
## in anarchy there are still rules, and systems, it's just that they're based on consent, not violence
👍  , , , , ,
properties (23)
authorluminousvisions
permlinkre-heretickitten-re-luminousvisions-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t171956709z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 17:20:00
last_update2016-09-01 17:20:00
depth3
children2
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.060 HBD
curator_payout_value0.016 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length103
author_reputation-8,545,544,437,418
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,087,303
net_rshares189,597,474,181
author_curate_reward""
vote details (6)
@modprobe ·
$0.33
> One of the first is **whether someone can opt out of the lease entirely and still occupy the land, excluding others from its utility.** The answer to that question, under this proposal, would be no.

If we're being consistent, the answer to that question would be "Only if they can defend it from the previous tier-one owner." The definition of a tier-one owner appears to be "One capable of defending land more effectively than anyone else can attack it," and it hardly makes sense to snapshot the tier-one owners now and declare it to be the final configuration and regard all new tier-one owners as illegitimate.
👍  
properties (23)
authormodprobe
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160902t000249834z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-02 00:02:48
last_update2016-09-02 00:02:48
depth1
children1
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.326 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length617
author_reputation57,055,357,664,878
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,092,234
net_rshares712,015,350,015
author_curate_reward""
vote details (1)
@falkvinge ·
Well yes, indeed. But it would be quite a show of fireworks to see somebody try to put their private arsenal against that of a modern country. I'd want the big bag of popcorn and would quite likely not cheer for the country.
properties (22)
authorfalkvinge
permlinkre-modprobe-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160902t193314962z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-02 19:33:15
last_update2016-09-02 19:33:15
depth2
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length224
author_reputation19,698,725,545,205
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,102,414
net_rshares0
@mscleverclocks ·
I'm glad you briefly addressed the possibility of a basic income. I believe that it can definitely be done within a framework of a taxless state and completely replace the welfare system. The proposal overall is very interesting and has amazing possibilities. I would advise you to send a full proposal to a libertarian-minded Congressman after the elections this year.
👍  
properties (23)
authormscleverclocks
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t185739975z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 18:57:39
last_update2016-09-01 18:57:39
depth1
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length369
author_reputation3,070,775,892,280
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,088,616
net_rshares252,618,829
author_curate_reward""
vote details (1)
@nabilov ·
$0.09
nice post
👍  
👎  
properties (23)
authornabilov
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t161511315z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 16:15:12
last_update2016-09-01 16:15:12
depth1
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.090 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length9
author_reputation2,498,893,033,777
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,086,350
net_rshares220,543,193,483
author_curate_reward""
vote details (2)
@natalivesna888 ·
very good interesting post!
properties (22)
authornatalivesna888
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t170352350z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 17:04:00
last_update2016-09-01 17:04:00
depth1
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length27
author_reputation0
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,087,055
net_rshares0
@nathanbrown ·
I appreciate the bidding mechanism to determine the price for land. It would keep the state from acting as a monopoly in terms of setting prices on land leases.

I don't see how this system addresses tragedy of the commons issues. For example, carbon emissions are hurting everyone. Everyon's property rights are violated by production of carbon emissions. I assume this is one of the areas you would describe as a "victimless crime," but I would argue this is a victim filled crime that is so distributed it is hard to address. 

What do you think about something like carbon emissions? Do you think we should just let people produce as much carbon as they want? If not, how do you address it in this system?
👍  , ,
properties (23)
authornathanbrown
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t152154693z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 15:21:48
last_update2016-09-01 15:21:48
depth1
children8
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length709
author_reputation2,103,445,647,020
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,085,613
net_rshares2,199,066,585
author_curate_reward""
vote details (3)
@falkvinge · (edited)
More technology, not less, has always solved environmental problems. These problems have a tendency to go away as long as you allow people to develop the land with the latest and most efficient technology. (For an example, look at the cost of solar power and how it's dropping dramatically.)

Otherwise, I detail in part two how to deal with pollution in general (just like any damage to a lease, essentially).
👍  
properties (23)
authorfalkvinge
permlinkre-nathanbrown-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t161530934z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 16:15:30
last_update2016-09-01 16:36:51
depth2
children1
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length410
author_reputation19,698,725,545,205
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,086,354
net_rshares252,618,829
author_curate_reward""
vote details (1)
@nathanbrown ·
I'll take a look at part two already. This is the explanation you provide about how to deal with environmental pollution, "Oh, and what about pollution, which is the most common objection to this? How would this scheme handle pollution? That's actually one of the easiest things in this entire picture. Remember how, when you lease a residence, you're liable for any damages caused to the residence by you during your lease? The exact same standard boilerplate could just as well apply to a land lease, and it's as simple as that."

So, does this mean that with the situation the climate crisis that each person driving a vehicle that is emitting carbon dioxide would be address with class action lawsuits filed by citizens of the world who decide to sign on to the class action suit?
properties (22)
authornathanbrown
permlinkre-falkvinge-re-nathanbrown-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160902t200932647z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-02 20:09:27
last_update2016-09-02 20:09:27
depth3
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length784
author_reputation2,103,445,647,020
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,102,883
net_rshares0
@ionescur ·
carbon emissions are hurting everyone - allegedly
👍  
properties (23)
authorionescur
permlinkre-nathanbrown-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t160653205z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 16:07:00
last_update2016-09-01 16:07:00
depth2
children5
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length49
author_reputation12,065,350,765,994
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,086,224
net_rshares55,416,927
author_curate_reward""
vote details (1)
@heretickitten ·
Yes, I'm sure that political associations make global warming seem like nothing but another "think of the children" type of bullshit, but politics aside, the atmosphere and what it is composed of does affect humans. More carbon dioxide will raise temperatures, and that will cause problems for human civilization.

That is just how it is. How politicians use that fact is up to them.
👍  ,
properties (23)
authorheretickitten
permlinkre-ionescur-re-nathanbrown-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t161502168z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 16:15:06
last_update2016-09-01 16:15:06
depth3
children3
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length383
author_reputation30,612,025,911,746
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,086,349
net_rshares1,256,138,041
author_curate_reward""
vote details (2)
@nathanbrown ·
What do you mean, "allegedly?" Do you think the climate crisis isn't real?
properties (22)
authornathanbrown
permlinkre-ionescur-re-nathanbrown-re-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160902t200428706z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-02 20:04:21
last_update2016-09-02 20:04:21
depth3
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length74
author_reputation2,103,445,647,020
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,102,822
net_rshares0
@occam ·
As I wrote in a comment on your first post, it is clear that we want our state to provide some sort of social safety net for those who have no income (we don't want the sick and the old starving and dying on the streets). I do agree that UBI is the right way to go, but it is not cheap.

How expensive then, would a UBI program be?

Well, define Iavg as the average citizen income per month. In that, I include *all* forms of income, whether it is through work, profit from company shares owned, interest, gifts or UBI.

The average income in the US today is about $7,500 per household and month, so let us use this number. A UBI of $1,875 would be a very modest UBI, it would be very hard for a houshold to manage on that. But it is still 25% of this Iavg. So, to afford this very modest UBI program, we'd need to collect tax (land tax by your system) amounting to 25% of the average income. In other words: the average citizen would need to pay, in one way or another, directly or indirectly, 25% of their income to the UBI program. And that is not including expenses for the military and other services. As your state's only income is land tax, these land leases are going to need to be very, very expensive.
properties (22)
authoroccam
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160903t134440580z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-03 13:44:39
last_update2016-09-03 13:44:39
depth1
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length1,211
author_reputation560,896,458
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,111,129
net_rshares0
@ssekulji ·
Taxless state is just a dream.
properties (22)
authorssekulji
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160902t134318647z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-02 13:43:06
last_update2016-09-02 13:43:06
depth1
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length30
author_reputation1,212,391,158,531,832
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,098,417
net_rshares0
@team101 ·
Interesting post!
properties (22)
authorteam101
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t160053427z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 16:00:57
last_update2016-09-01 16:00:57
depth1
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length17
author_reputation12,700,047,182,916
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,086,138
net_rshares0
@virtualgrowth ·
No taxation is an interesting idea.  However there is an idea that their should only be land tax.  There still needs a to be certain means to supply basic needs for bare minimum needs of individuals and groups.  Tax should be to help supply needs to the self and neighboring individuals to a better basic life.
properties (22)
authorvirtualgrowth
permlinkre-falkvinge-a-simplified-taxless-state-a-proposal-part-three-of-three-20160901t160936183z
categoryliberty
json_metadata{"tags":["liberty"]}
created2016-09-01 16:09:36
last_update2016-09-01 16:09:36
depth1
children0
last_payout2016-10-02 19:56:00
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length310
author_reputation194,179,179,959,184
root_title"A Simplified Taxless State: A Proposal (part three of three)"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id1,086,267
net_rshares0