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· @maninayton ·
Hello, @livingwaters. Thank you for your comment and for taking the time and trouble to provide the links.  Unfortunately, the argument you use for the historical accuracy of the Bible is misleading. It doesn't matter if the copies of the Bible were 99.5% accurate (a claim that I doubt anyway), if the original was a made up story to begin with then any 'evidence' taken from that source will be false.  There is no evidence that the original gospels were true - they are more likely to have been written by believers to promote their particular religion. Also bear in mind the authors of the gospels were not eye witnesses to any of the events contained in the gospels which in itself can be a major source of error.
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@livingwaters · (edited)
![fragments_1.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmavhLriWMyhfcC1qrm9N95pmh4en77NfjSmyN9SQEfbDy/fragments_1.png)

`"There are 10-15 manuscripts written within the first 100 years of the completion of the New Testament. Some are fairly large fragments, containing significant portions of the gospels or the letters of Paul. When we go out two centuries from the original writings (300 AD), there are at least 48 manuscripts. At three centuries (400 AD), there are 69 copies."` 
[Link to Article with References](http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts.htm)

The above is a new link that backs up the information in the first.
 
The historical evidence within the bible itself offers some answers to questions like this. I tend to lean and trust in the ancient and preserved works contained within the Holy writ rather than the opinions of man, who neither lived during the time that Christ walked this earth, nor learned from those who carried on the teachings of Christ based on the disciple's teachings that were commissioned by Jesus Himself. 

There are a whole lot of claims...both pro and con, and this debate has raged on throughout history.

As far as the Bible as a whole goes, there is tons of evidence, including archeological proof of many of the things written including the dead sea scrolls, as well as other ancient writings that bring the text even more validity.

The Dead Sea Scrolls:
>"When the scrolls first were discovered in 1947, scholars disputed their dates of composition. Scholars now generally agree that although some materials >are earlier, the Qumran materials date primarily to the Hasmonean (152-63 >B.C.) and early Roman periods (63 B.C.-A.D.")
[Apologetics Press](http://ap.lanexdev.com/APContent.aspx?category=13&article=357)

It's up to you where you choose to place your trust.

It's not my job to make you believe that God's word is true. But it is my responsibility to tell you that it is.

For any believer in God, look outside at the trees, the grass, flowers and plants, and the sky. Those who believe in God know that these are all His handiwork, and since He sustains these things, He most certainly can and has preserved His text.

The evidence I reference is not for me, but for your consideration.

The bottom line is, one can either believe and trust in God, or trust in themselves and the opinions of man.  

I certainly hope that you will consider these things.

For every argument that you bring, there counter arguments, and this can go on forever.
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@maninayton ·
You're right @livingwaters, we could go on ping ponging links all day and still not resolve anything. I have one question to ask you though. From what you say it seems as if you believe in the Bible literally and that every word is from God and therefore true. I'm I correct in that assumption?
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@livingwaters ·
Absolutely @maninayton, for a very good reason that is very personal to me.
If I might say so, I certainly wish that you would consider it without jumping to the parts that you find offensive, because I kinda think that is where you're going to go now. I could be wrong, but I'd sure enjoy having a good biblical discussion with you, perhaps on some of the topics in the video? Also, feel free to visit my blog anytime.
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@nextgen622 ·
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Both Matthew and John  who wrote two of the Gospels comprising the New Testament were eye witnesses. In fact, they spent over three years with Jesus.
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@maninayton ·
All of the gospels are considered to have been the work of anonymous writers between 70 and 110 CE. Links [here](http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Gospels#Anonymous_authors) and [here](https://ffrf.org/publications/freethought-today/item/27673-christian-foundation-crumbles-under-scrutiny-by-paul-davis).

There were no eye witnesses. Everything the Christian religion (and all other religions for that matter) is based on is hearsay.
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@nextgen622 ·
Thanks @maninayton for taking the time to reply. The question I have for you is why do you believe the sources you provide are credible, reliable and valid? It doesn't seem to me that any of those sources are credible, peer-reviewed articles or scholars/authorities in their field, and how can they be trusted? Seems like what you say about Christians pushing a particular agenda is true in those instances. With any belief system, you need evidence to support your claims. I haven't seen any evidence to support the claims of Atheism that prove God doesn't exist. I would like to hear your views on that too. 
You said *There were no eye witnesses. Everything the Christian religion (and all other religions for that matter) is based on is hearsay.* 
What evidences do you have to support your claim that there were no eye witnesses and everything was based on hearsay?

Would appreciate hearing more specific arguments/evidence you have to support your claims above. Thanks again for your contributions to the discussions. I'm enjoying our discussion too.
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