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| json_metadata | "{"app":"Musing","appTags":["war"],"appCategory":"war","appTitle":"Could the Soviet Union have defeated the Nazis without the support of the United States and the loans-leases?","appBody":"<p><br></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://i.ytimg.com/vi/o6Koh0idc8g/maxresdefault.jpg\" /></p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>The USSR was taken with the pants low in 1941. The lease lease did not begin to have its biggest contribution until 1942.</p>\n<p>So during the worst moment, the Soviets were alone.</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>If they received 400,000 vehicles, not all trucks. But it is a lie that they freed the production of tanks. The tanks were made in factories designed for pre-war tanks and reconverted tractors.</p>\n<p>The factories of ZiS, GAZ and others continued to produce armored cars, trucks, automobiles.</p>\n<p>The ZiS-5 had a production of 1,200,000 units until 1946.</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/2000/0*7KBqHjUk6KaONxxd.jpg\" /></p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>The USSR was an exporter of oil and derivatives, as well as aluminum. What they received was nothing more than high-octane naphtha for high-altitude aircraft (which did not produce and ended up using that fuel for the yankees themselves) and high-alloy aluminum that they did not produce because it was a waste of capabilities when the normal It was enough to make their planes.</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>The airplanes that they received, as well as the tanks, were obsolete in their majority. The great part was sent to Siberia to release the Soviet material there. Total what the Japanese had were all crap in Manchuria.</p>\n<p>Of the 17,000 aircraft they received, only 23% were used in combat. 23% of 17,000, while the USSR produced 168,000 airplanes from 1941 to 1945.</p>\n<p>The only ones who actively used in combat were the P-39 and P-63 for their cannon they loved to make a ground attack (these models were a failure for the American doctrine).</p>\n<p><strong>LP-40</strong></p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-78c1de72047fbd25d37e093a2d204964\" /></p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>The P-40 were barely used for a brief moment as school airplanes and then to Siberia, the Hurricanes as an attack with a high rate of casualties and retirees. The rest were all obsolete.</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bd/58/4d/bd584d3959d33514318dd0157f460819--arms-race-soviet-union.jpg\" /></p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>The same with the tanks, of the thousands of tanks that they received, most were M-3, M-5, M3 Lee and M4A2, which were directly sent to Siberia or as training vehicles (even a part was melted to use the steel…). Of the Stuart and the A2 the Soviet tankers were unkind in their sayings; according to the tests were useless tanks on the battlefield, prone to catch fire at the slightest impact by a very bad design in the engine compartment and the use of naphtha aviation engine, useless weaponry against the German panzer, extremely tall silhouette, bad mobility, and a shield that could not exist because of its results.</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p><img src=\"http://photos.demandstudios.com/getty/article/151/117/3365319.jpg\" /></p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>Matilda Mk-II used briefly in 1942 up to the provision of T-34s in the 5th Mechanized Body.</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>The best contribution the Stuarts had was to make tractors</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://21stcenturyasianarmsrace.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/soviet-t-55-at-exercise.jpg\" /></p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>Of the 3870 tanks supplied to the USSR between 1941 and 42, only about one thousand entered service.</p>\n<p>The only ones that used were the M4A2 (76) with 76mm cannon, those were better armored and they beat similar to the T-34-85. These were the first to enter Berlin, but those were provided after Germany had already lost the war in 1943, when the Russian roller was already advancing non-stop to the east.</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>To put things in perspective. The Soviets produced up to 1945 86,000 tanks, only of the T-34. Plus the KV series, IS-SU / ISU ...</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>And trains and wagons. THEY WERE NOT LEND. The trains and wagons provided to the USSR were part of a contract between the USSR and American companies, Soviet designs for the Soviet railways already paid and part of programs started before the war.</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://marinadedave.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/sovietmilitaryparade_01.jpg\" /></p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>Without the weaponry of lend lease, the Soviets would have had more casualties in 1941 and 42. But the result would have been the same.</p>\n<p>In total numbers the Soviet production leaves insignificant to that provided by the allies. And if we count what they actually put into service, worse still.</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>The biggest help they received was canned meat and leather boots in 1942. It was not until 1943 that the USSR recovered most of its best arable land, so there were food and leathers escacés after the German invasion.</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>Moreover, the war had not even spread much, in 1945 the Red Army would be taking Berlin with or without Lend, months before, months later, a couple of hundred thousand dead soldiers more or less.</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>Forget about all those answers that exaggerate the importance of lend lease, these are pure statistical data that anyone can google.</p>\n<p>If it's nice to say that they helped them, they gave them a hundred things. Just comparing total numbers gives the real perspective of the little impossibility of lend lease.</p>\n<p><br></p>","appDepth":2,"appParentPermlink":"p3tq7w7lx","appParentAuthor":"pritam43","musingAppId":"aU2p3C3a8N","musingAppVersion":"1.1","musingPostType":"answer"}" |
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