Yep. :)   My discussions actually have little to do with price.   I don't truly care too much about that myself.   I do care about perceptions, and how actions can impact the community.   We can get a bit too focused on the mathematics of it all at time and forget that humans are not all Vulcans based purely on logic and mathematics, so only paying attention to the stats is a recipe for disaster that any large group of humans can explode into pieces due to all the differing opinions, perceptions, etc.

Well a BIG PROBLEM example... and "problem" could be subjective.   If you prefer use the word CHALLENGE.

I was a proponent for UP VOTES only, but that leaves this place open for way more exploitation.   So that is an example of a BIG Challenge.   How could you do an up votes only (*except for spam, plagiarism, abuse*) without opening the door for it to be completely gamed?

I stopped calling for an up votes only system simply as I haven't come up with a solution to that Problem/Challenge.    Dan said he was interested in an up votes only system, but again he does not do it for the same reason I stopped calling for it.

I would like to see the platform more like an economy than a share holders meeting.    If I go into a store I am not pulling out a marker and putting big Xs on products I don't like.    I walk past them and buy the things I am interested in.   Other people walk in and might buy things I am not interested in.

Being able to put Xs on things you are NOT interested in is nothing like a market or economy.   It actually allows you to nullify the interest of others as though it did not matter.    It gives a false impression of demand due to the voting power being tied to a share like approach.

The demand can be there, but nullified by one person.


Yet solving that... Big challenge/Problem.

In a market demand = WHO IS GOING TO BUY THIS
It has nothing to do with WHO IS NOT GOING TO BUY THIS
that is more something a marketing department would focus on to get more of the NOTs into the WILL column.

Yet ultimately the NOTs do not get to nullify the demands of the WILLs.

If I have 10 people that want to buy something that is a demand of 10.
If there are 100 people that will not buy the thing that does not make the demand -90.   There are still 10 people that will buy it.

Right now with the way steem/it works we get that -90 effect.

Yeah I wasn't talking about n^2 as the big problem.   I only brought up Game Theory because of the response that they need to stop talking about Gaming.

The rest of what was said I had no problems with.   The big problems came out of the responses discussion to my reply, and had nothing to do with n^2 or the original article.

All I was talking about in my initial reply was in the statement that they need to stop talking about Gaming unless they are going to become a gambling site or something of that nature.

Thus, my response was to explain game theory and WHY the use of gaming was relevant to the discussions.   That was the only purpose of my original response.   I don't believe I've referenced n^2 once here unless it was responding when someone else mentioned it in a reply to me. 

The big problems I am referring to are the ones that are unfamiliar and difficult concepts that we as humans have not had to solve before.   I don't consider n^2 a big problem.    That is an easy problem.   Implement a different curve, test it.  If it doesn't work try something else.

I wouldn't call that a big problem. :)   when I call something a big problem I am talking about those really big mind bending problems that we don't know how to solve yet, we suspect there is a solution out there, but it takes a lot of effort, and trying new things to find it.   IF we ever do.

You would mark heroin bad because you perceive it to offer no redeeming qualities, but if it was legal, in a store, to buy, marking it as bad would be ridiculous because you have basically damaged the product and therefore create more demand for it and second because nobody does that in the store, in real life, nobody goes to the gun store and marks guns with x because they kill people, nobody goes to the kitchen section and marks knives with a black marker, x, or any other product, people are sensible like dwinblood has pointed out and would not do something like that. Take drain cleaner, sure you can use it for it's intended purpose but if you were bombarded with numerous accounts of people using it to get high (hypothetically) and then dying because of that, then you will also go and mark drain cleaner as bad, therefore damaging the product, creating more demand for it etc? It's pure nonsense therefor, regardless of the fact that heroin does have redeeming qualities and has been used in the past in treating numerous things, as everything has value in various aspects, where as marking x on products you don't want doesn't have value.

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Legal / Illegal <== Marked
It's a real world example for marking products. The difference here is you are the gov (part of it) and you mark it directly.