Viewing a response to: @smooth/re-davebrewer-re-calamus056-self-voting-user-list-since-hf19-20170724t045611600z
>It doesn't even matter if someone only upvotes themself, if their content is good. Maybe some people are mostly content creators and don't spend a lot of time reviewing/reading/curating other content. There's nothing at all wrong with that. This. --- People need to stinking start flagging. "Negative-voting" (as refered in the whitepaper). If a self-voted post or comment is making more that you feel appropriate - flag. Don't complain. The entire steem system is founded on the principle that everyone is able to use their vests however they choose to make payouts align with their perception of value. You can not just "make self-votes not payout" or "self-votes only count for page rank". The social contract behind steem is that VESTS are fungible. Vests are always vests. My vote is worth the same no mater if I vote on content that is good, bad, racist, sexist, pro-steem, or even critical of steem. Changing how vests effect post payouts in a discriminatory way fundamentally changes steem by by altering the fungibility of the underlying asset. This is not like just a 'block size increase' or a simple parameter change, this is a major game theoretical and economic change to the system that has effects much deeper than just self-votes. Vests should be fungible. - from my post: https://steemit.com/steem/@kyle.anderson/subjective-proof-of-work-some-rational-comments-on-the-self-voting-trend
author | kyle.anderson |
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permlink | re-smooth-re-davebrewer-re-calamus056-self-voting-user-list-since-hf19-20170724t144955860z |
category | statistics |
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eeks | 0 | 655,572,615,158 | 100% | ||
beanz | 0 | 576,267,553,084 | 30% | ||
cosmo.crator | 0 | 816,148,822 | 100% | ||
laurieanderson | 0 | 20,387,495,943 | 100% | ||
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When one down-votes, does that use VP? And does that mean that the value of their vote is then subtracted from the post? And does that mean that the value is therefore spread proportionately amongst all the posts according to upvote (so some tiny fraction will actually return to this post)?
author | improv |
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permlink | re-kyleanderson-re-smooth-re-davebrewer-re-calamus056-self-voting-user-list-since-hf19-20170727t045824538z |
category | statistics |
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From what I've read, it affects your VP % the same way an upvote does?
author | mtgmisfit |
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permlink | re-improv-re-kyleanderson-re-smooth-re-davebrewer-re-calamus056-self-voting-user-list-since-hf19-20170727t133940963z |
category | statistics |
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Makes sense. Down voting also hurts rep, doesn't it? Sometimes there might be a post I think doesn't deserve so much money, but isn't so bad that I'd want to hurt someone's rep.
author | improv |
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category | statistics |
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