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RE: HF21: SPS and EIP Explained by abh12345

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· @abh12345 ·
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And for the 'normies' like me: https://steemit.com/normietalk/@justineh/normie-talk-hf21-explained-sps-eip-what-it-is-and-what-happens-next
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@dana-edwards · (edited)
Very good post, much better than this one here. I think you explained the potential value of SPS. My concern remains though how do you distinguish between an idea which is likely to be profitable for the ecosystem and an idea which merely receives a lot of votes but which is a "bridge to no where". 

How are the votes going to be calculated first of all? Do whale accounts get to rig the vote? Can whale accounts somehow be excluded? Do verified accounts get to vote exclusively or do accounts of a certain age get higher weight in the vote? If it's stake weighted alone then I think you can see what can happen here.

It's going to take a lot of discipline, planning, discussion, on how to rank/rate ideas. My suggestion is we need a way to try and determine how much value or profit an idea can generate for the ecosystem. Such as does it have potential to increase the value of the Steem token? 

- If two ideas accomplish the same thing equally but one of them burns Steem tokens and another does not then do we prefer the one which burns tokens?

- If two ideas accomplish the same goal but one of them does so in a way which can bring in lots of revenue or investors then should we favor that one? 

- What metrics do we track to determine the success or failure?
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@abh12345 · (edited)
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Well this is @justineh's work, I can't take any credit but thought it was worth linking as they appeared at almost the same time.

Personally, I believe we are already on that bridge to nowhere and so almost anything *should* be an improvement.

There are a lot of 'ifs' though.  If bot-boosted shit content is downvoted, perhaps stake will come out of the bots to curate as there will be less profit there, and a greater % of inflation heads towards curators.

> How are the votes going to be calculated first of all? 

Umm, same as before?

> Do whale accounts get to rig the vote? 

Potentially?

> Can whale accounts somehow be excluded? 

Not in this proposal, and likely never.

> Do verified accounts get to vote exclusively or do accounts of a certain age get higher weight in the vote?

Nope.


I see some of these changes as much larger/more radical than what is being proposed - something for palnet-type efforts/SMT's to test?
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@dana-edwards ·
SMTs could fix this I think if we can distinguish using SMT holding how verified an account is by percentage or points or something like that.

The concern I have is what would stop whales from simply rigging the votes and then voting for their pet projects without regard for the revenue it generates for the ecosystem?

If you look for example at corruption in certain industries historically such as construction for example? We know how a construction project can end up costing way more than it should and take way longer than it needs to take etc. When people start voting directly on how to spend money it also is historically known to create infighting, even civil wars happen over these sorts of disputes.

I wish more thought could go into the on-chain governance aspect so that we can really know it's what the community wants and that all factions of the ecosystem are equally represented. Example, content producers are a faction, witnesses are a faction, developers are a faction, and different politics are emerging right now favoring one or another faction.
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@valued-customer · (edited)
>"...almost anything should be an improvement."

You must be young.  I'm pretty old, and experience has taught me that things can always get worse.  Indeed, without extreme measures, things going badly are very hard to keep from going worse.  EIP and the SPS funding mechanism aren't radical changes to stake weighting manipulations.  All they do is increase the profitability of manipulating rewards mechanism via substantial stake to extract rewards before that value can raise the price of Steem and create capital gains.

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