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RE: Announcing Steem 0.14.4 . Shared DB Preview Release by craig-grant

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· @craig-grant ·
would you consider only changing or stopping the inflation rate for accounts that are powering down, if that's possible
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@bacchist ·
It's not possible at the moment. As the system is currently designed, powering down removes a constant amount of vests from an account, determined by the vest balance at the time of power down. There is **one** conversion rate for Steem and VESTs.... it is used when you power up and when you power down. Inflation of SP balances is really just due to the change in the conversion rate over time... It would require a complete overhaul to basically tax people for powering down.

And honestly, that's not what we need to be doing... If people want to power down, that's great. SP balances get the highest interest. The more Steem held in SP balances, the faster the money supply grows. That's dilution... even for SP. For SP to hold its ground against dilution, the vested level needs to reach 90%
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@snowflake · (edited)
> Inflation of SP balances is really just due to the change in the conversion rate over time

Inflation of steem is completely unnecessary and it's not a consequence of anything.


>SP balances get the highest interest

SP balances get zero interest, you actually lose VESTs every year when powered up

>The more Steem held in SP balances, the faster the money supply grows. That's dilution... even for SP

The money supply is already shedulded in the code, the number of coins issued doesn't change when people are powering up or down.

>That's dilution... even for SP

Dilution is a result of inflation, it's basically a devaluation of a currency. 

>the vested level needs to reach 90%

Not sure exactly what you mean.  When you power up you are automatically protected by the inflation. The inflation right now is a lot higher than 100%. Another great way to protect people from inflation is to not create it in the first place.
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@snowflake · (edited)
This wouldn't solve the problems created by the hyper inflation because it will still be there. It will probably mitigate the price drop temporarily but it's not a sustainable model. Also what this will do is that it will disincentivize people to power up in the first place. It would also create an environement where people are not equally treated which to me sets a pretty bad precedent.

I understand your mind set craig, you really like your steem power number increasing. And you are not the only one. But you need to understand that the inflation created to give people this fake illusionary feeling of having growing power/share is undermining the system as a whole, as it creates exponential downward pressure on the price of steem.

Actually if I remember correctly you very much understand the importance of VESTS. 
So Im going to try to explain to you how the numbers growing in your account is just an illusion. When your steem power numbers grows your VESTS don't grow, because this steem power is distributed equally to everyone so you are not gaining VESTS when you see those numbers grows. The only way to make more VESTS is to curate or posts content or buy more steem on the market.
When people power down and you stay powered up it doesn't give you more VESTS unless you buy it on the market, all it does is that it reduces the VESTS of people selling their steem power. In other words, powering up doesn't give you any financial benefit other than being able to vote and earn curation rewards.
So if you remove the unnecessary inflation completely, your steem power balance would only grow if you curate or post content or buy more steem. You would be given a much more honest interpretation of the growth of  your shares in the platform ( when your steem power grows your VESTS /share grows) and most importantly your account value is much more likely to grow in value because we wouldn't have this crazy useless printing going which scares away pretty much every investors/traders and kills the price of steem.

Many people think that if users's steem power wouldn't grow there would be no incentives to power up. This is a false misconception as already today the only real financial benefit from powering up is the curation rewards, a growing number of steem power gives you zero benefits. The only people buying steem power for this reason don't understand how the system works and you can be sure that  investors won't invest on steem based on this illusion. 
As I have said in one of my previous post, the 2 years vesting withdraw period's only purpose is to prevent people from selling the highly inflated steem but it's not even clear why steem is inflated in the first place. Here we have a complexe system trying to fix problems that don't exist. Btw I'm not criticizing only I also offered solutions.
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@craig-grant · (edited)
I am aware of how vests work, as I pay more attention to my vests than I do the steem power, and I pay close attention to the conversion rate of steem to vests, like how it goes up everyday, so in August it cost about 250 steem to get 1 MV, and now it costs 407 steem, I don't know if that rate can go down, from the time I started seeing it in July, it has always went up. I curate and blog everyday, since I started posting on steemit in June I have posted everyday except when hurricane Mathew shut the electricity off for 24 hours. I do not want the inflation rate to go down, and I do not want the steem price to go up anytime soon, it would be nice to see 1 cent steem so I can power up $5000 worth of steem.
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@snowflake · (edited)
Hmm..so you are looking short term how you can benefit from the situation and I am looking long term how we can save this platform so we clearly have different intentions.
You need more steem to get 1MV because the supply almost doubled since august. This will always go up but this metric is not very relevant for anything.
You fail to see the repercussions of early excessive printing. The more new coins are created the harder it will be for steem to support its current price. And so the harder it will be for the rewards on the platform to increase.
The price of steem going back to its previous highs will be more and more unlikely as time passes. Steem supply has more than doubled since the last pump, which means you would need 2 times more money than the first bubble to get to the same price per steem and it's only going to get worse from there as the steem blockchain is creating a lot of news coins every day.
In july 2017, 6 times more money will be needed to get to the same price we were this July.
In july 2018, 12 times more money will be needed to get to the same price we were this July.

The more you print the harder it will be for the steem price to get to its previous high. In other words rewards on the platform will keep dropping ( they won't increase that's for sure unless huge amounts of money are exponentially poured in )

Steemit's objectives long term should be to reduce it's supply if they want to handle the growth of the platform. A supply going down means a price going up which means rewards on the platform going up to pay all new bloggers.
There are many ways that steem could have a supply going down, they would have to burn more coins than they create to pay for the rewards ( with the promoted feature for example) but it is totally possible to achieve and that's what steem should aim at if they want to be succesfull.

Everything that they print now will have consequences on the price in the future even after the unnecessary inflation is removed.
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@craig-grant · (edited)
in regards to the highs of July, I don't see steem ever getting back that high, I think the perfect price for steem is $1, and a good buy price is 25 cents, it can go to $2 or more but wont stay at that price for long. With 2000 active users now, steemit is just a fetus,  with more users the the price can go up without any changes the current inflation rate. Improvements in user experience plus better distribution of voting power with curation guilds.. that's all steemit needs to see happen for the next 3 months
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@the.masses ·
I completely disagree but not with the facts that you have listed, rather the truth you have failed to mention... I follow you because you are more knowledged than I in certain areas of life mainly caused by the growth rate at which we matured. So if Steemit matures then it will be like we will be. This we will call the new brain of all mankind finally connecting the c/entire universe. Cmd+enter

 Here's the issue that I see  though.... Everybody has a subconscious-willpower. Will power has a positive and negative influx of design creating the same outcome, always! 

 *  **subconscious**- Origin of meaning also known as.... [Light](http://lingua.ly/)
 *  **Perfection** - Beginning, birth- eternal truth

Why call it what it isn't.. It is a measure in which we trust because of the algorithm has given us. So back to **Vests** and **Steem Power**, they should be considered as neurons reaching higher levels of transmit for a deeper understanding. Too much knowledge has only so much wisdom before he understands. It's like fishing without lures or bobbers... It's schools of fish.
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@snowflake ·
You sound like craig grant lol
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@the.masses ·
Bam! To be or not to be~
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