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RE: Vote Netuoso For Witness by infidel1258

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· @infidel1258 ·
Can you help me understand you position? I dont want to fight, but Im pretty sure I disagree with your position, and Id love to better understand your point of view. 

In a nut shell, my opinion is: Justin, like him or not, bought Steemit inc, and Ned had the keys to the "ninja stake" therefore ned owned that stake, and so had the right to sell it to Justin Sun. 

Do you agree with that? 

If so, then the only remaining question to me is: 
- is it in the code that those steem cannot be used to vote for consensus, or witnesses? 

If the code said so, then Justin cant vote. If the code doesnt say so, then he can. 

Whether Ned did use that power or not is irrelevant as I see it. 

But again, just trying to understand your point of view. Not trying to be difficult. Please take my thoughts and comment with passion and interest but nothing more.
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@cflclosers ·
my position is that we have a community here and if justin bought it to allow steemit to continue as a separate entity from the tron ecosystem he should get to know how the community runs.  If he bought it to bulldoze it and destroy it then I'm opposed to that and don't support him.  I think witnesses should have some experience in the community and earn the right to be witnesses.  I can't support witnesses that just showed up in a block of 20 and control everything. I like things more decentralized.  
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@infidel1258 ·
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I agree generally with what you've said here. 

Particularly around the idea of "if he bought it to bulldoze it... then Im opposed."

I think this is the heart of the conversation. Is he a bad actor? Lots of people think yes. And they point to what he said about migrating to tron... but where I differ on that point is that it seems to me he didnt understand what he was saying. 

That is not feasible or really possible. If he insists we do that, he is hostile. 

I think the initial indications that this is what he wanted were in part his own lack of understanding, and in part just a excessive exuberance. 

And I would point to the fact that those posts have been deleted and retracted as evidence: Evidence that this is no longer their position. 

So what is his position/intention? Seems to me this simple: he wants to make money.

It sounds like from the most recent releases Ive seen, he wants to add value, raise the token price, sell some of the tokens to extract his initial costs and then sit on the rest, without direct oversight on Steemit inc, and/or Steem. 


Seems like lots of people dont see it my way because they expect him to dump the ninja stake, or try to force Steem to merge with Tron, and neither are acceptable. 

I would add that Ned was selling the Ninja stake too, so if Justin wanted to sell some or all of it, but was adding value to Steem by attracting attention, then we might kill two birds with one stone. 

Get rid of the dreaded, maligned, ninja stake, and disinvolve Justin Sun. But if I were him, Id want that stake in my possesion, not frozen. 

Anyways, thanks for the reply. I appreciate it. 

In the end, lets just all hope this resolves itself SOON!

Steem is climbing, and the attention this is bringing is so far helping price, but  we need to resolve it and move on. Hopefully amicably.
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@cflclosers ·
lets hope you are right.  It seems that buying all that steem to merge it into the tron blockchain somehow and destroy steemit would cost him a ton of money.  But since he bought all that steem it seems he would want it to moon and spend time promoting it because it is such a great blockchain.  But I think that since tron is his baby he wouldn't want to admit that steem was better.  I'm  hoping he is just an investor in steem and lets the community run it and use his expertise to promote it.  I hope he doesn't ruin it. I was never interested in Tron and don't think I will ever be
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