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Personally I would continue printing SBD forever. I don't think there is a need to limit supply when the market is overvaluing it. Let's say someone will buy $1 bills from you for $2. So you sell them as many as you can get your hands on, or do you sell some limited number and then stop? The purpose of the 10% limit is to cap the backing of _all of the outstanding SBD_ at 10% of STEEM's market cap (considered a 'safe' amount) _regardless of the amount of SBD in circulation_. So if the market wants lots and lots of SBD with less and less backing, why not give it to them?
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> if the market wants lots and lots of SBD with less and less backing, why not give it to them? Simply put, because I don't trust the market's risk management skills. In the medium-to-long term, undercollateralization almost certainly leads to peg discounts when the price of STEEM falls.
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Peg discounts are otherwise handled by the system and indeed if you look at the price history there have not been significant sustained discounts ever (apart from a short time 2016 when few people understood how it worked). Premiums are not otherwise handled by the system. The only way to resolve a premium (which do put a very high degree of risk onto SBD holders; someone buying/receiving SBD at $5 is at risk of easily losing 80% of their money, and indeed this has happened) is by issuing/selling more of it. Furthermore there is no real 'risk' here, in the sense of risk to the overall system. SBD regardless of the amount issued is capped at 10% of STEEM's value period, which is so small it is actually less than many one-day price moves. Any additional issuance of SBD just means that SBD buyers are voluntarily accepting some of STEEM's price risk. I see no harm in that. It actually addresses one of the frequent criticisms of pegged assets, which is that they are making an unkeepable promise to always maintain a price. SBD doesn't do that. It promises to maintain a price _as long as STEEM's price/marketcap is high enough_.
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>Furthermore there is no real 'risk' here, in the sense of risk to the overall system. SBD regardless of the amount issued is capped at 10% of STEEM's value period That's exactly right, and the missing piece I was forgetting about. It's not like SBD is at risk of a total collapse if too much is printed.
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Is this idea feasible? https://steemit.com/steem/@freebornangel/we-can-t-go-to-the-moon-without-creating-demand
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I'm not entirely sure I understood it correctly but to me it looked very much like the STEEM-to-SBD (also known as 'reverse') conversion idea which has been proposed by others (perhaps you were not aware of this and reinvented it. I believe it is feasible, but: a) The coding for it is somewhat involved as it requires both designing the details of how it would work in every situation as well as coding it, which requires a new operation and other code changes (along with associated testing); and b) I'm not sure it has enough support to get adopted at this time (though it might).
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Except its not a conversion, its a sale. The steem is not burned, but added to/replaces the inflation created by block production. We could burn an amount equal to what the blocks produced to lower overall inflation to match demand, if that is desirable. The procedes from sales goes to the sp holders, witnesses, and authors in the percentages now used. This turbocharges sbd creation buy selling them directly to anybody with one usd of steem. As determined by the x day average. In order for sbd to be adopted there needs to be enough of them to matter. 15m barely makes payroll at one pro hockey game. With none left over to use for concession sales. Nobody can buy a jersey because all the sbd went to the players. By selling them directly supply can meet demand. Tether has ~2.5b? in circulation, with luck we can match that. By putting the steem derived from sales into the inflation pool, all stakeholders benefit. I know there isnt an actual pool, and i dont know how to tie sales to block production like regular inflation, but i was thinking a bot to power up the 25% that gets paid in sp, and adding the balance to the rewards pool. What i am unsure about is what happens when demand drops and the price of steem goes down. Existing sbd would have been paid for with one usd of steem, except those paid out as author rewards which have time value attached. Does the peg hold or does steem defaulting cause sbd to crash, too? Right now the usd is down 98% but it is still accepted more places than silver. I guess the trick would be to get enough into circulation that sbd holders refuse to take the loss and continue to use them in commerce on par with the usd.
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Yep!
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LOL. Good questions! However, imagine how whales of Nubits feel now that the per unit value is 0.44 Usd. Some of the owners of the Steem Dollar are not responsible for this problem. If I can just convince high schoolers here to start blogging, I bet I can buy Steem Dollars for one peso each.
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NuBits promises a value of $1 and it hasn't delivered. SBD doesn't really promise that any more (since I think it was HF14), it promises a peg price that is conditional on the value of STEEM. If STEEM's market cap isn't enough to support the amount of SBD that exists, SBD holders are explicitly taking price risk. If they don't like that they should exit SBD. I find SBD's promises to be a lot more honest and reasonable than most of the other pegged coins which don't make explicit when they will no longer sustain a fixed price.
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NuBits didn't have another coin to shit on. I agree with you that SBDs can be printed indefinitely. It just results in downwards pressure on STEEM. I have no issue with anyone at Upbit or elsewhere buying SBDs over a dollar if they're just using it as a fast trade. The peg is really only maintained to the downside as long as STEEM's ability to trade over $0 remains.
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