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RE: Blockchain Update 3: Hardfork 20 and Release 19.4 – AppBase, StatsD, and RocksDB by timcliff

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· @timcliff ·
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The issue to track the PoW is here: https://github.com/steemit/steem/issues/1768

It looks like it was pulled out of HF20, but afaik it is something that theoretically could be added in later as a soft-fork on top of the HF changes. I don't know when it is planned to be completed though.

> Our community was expecting it to be free and quick to create an account, enabling friends to help friends helping friends as "Opening the flood gates to the Internet", could you elaborate a bit on this, please?

There was never really a plan for account creation to be "free". There was plans for their to be three ways:
- "Standard" (fee based)
- "Discounted" (uses discount tokens, which will be acquired based on stake)
- "Anonymous" (POW)

The anonymous method is not really free though. There is still a cost associated with doing POW.

The signup system (faucet) is still going to be the best way for users to get free accounts, provided they are OK providing a bit of personal information (email + phone number).

If people want anonymous, currently their best choice is AnonSteem.
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@fyrst-witness ·
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>@ackza wrote: I think @ned wants to perhaps protect the Steem Namespace which is important because once someone just tries taking up all the popular names.

>@timcliff wrote: There was never really a plan for account creation to be "free". There was plans for their to be three ways:

>- Standard" (fee based)
>- Discounted" (uses discount tokens, which will be acquired based on stake)
>- Anonymous" (POW)

If protecting name-space is the idea<b>, then why not just make it so that an account generated with POW needs to have at least one number in it?</b> examples: @james1 @Name77 @Ned82 @John1975 @Atari007 etc?

Would that be an agreeable solution? @ackza, @timcliff, @surfyogi? We have had a lot, and I really mean a lot of users coming to @SteemSpeak telling us they have been waiting 7,14,21,a month for their steem account to be approved, we heard from STEEMIT that there was waiting lists and the POW idea would solve at least that problem so we can grow the user base faster.

Once a user has got a STEEM account, secured their keys etc, there are easy ways to buy SteemPower on steemit.com via Blocktrades & GoPax, or with FIAT on @Bittrex via BTC if they have a minimum mini bandwidth to at least power up.

<b>We should really remove bandwidth requirements on PowerUP</b>, I cannot think of one idea why having any default restriction on PowerUP is necessary, do you guys?
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@timcliff · (edited)
> If protecting name-space is the idea, then why not just make it so that an account generated with POW needs to have at least one number in it?

I don't see why this would be necessary. If POW is implemented, why not just let users pick whatever name they want? POW is not a "free" signup. There is a cost associated with running the server to complete the POW. My guess is it would actually be more expensive to create an account that way, but it depends on how much competition there is.

> we heard from STEEMIT that there was waiting lists and the POW idea would solve at least that problem so we can grow the user base faster.

I don't know if that is going to solve the problem. How many of those users do you think would be able to setup a Steem blockchain node and submit a POW?

> We should really remove bandwidth requirements on PowerUP, I cannot think of one idea why having any default restriction on PowerUP is necessary, do you guys?

There are bandwidth changes coming with HF20. Part of that includes all accounts will have a minimum balance of SP for bandwidth, even if their account has 0 SP in it. This should allow users to power up, even if they don't have any SP.

It is necessary to have some restriction there though. If there was **no restriction** on powering up, then a DOS attacker could just power up a whole bunch of 0.001 STEEM to DOS the blockchain.
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@zappl ·
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So to be clear what was stated before creating accounts in browser or not requiring delegation to up vote comment and such is out. At least with sp delegation we could pull our power back from abusers, now we can be stuck with costly spammers and trolls.

so no more sp delegation, raise creation fee 30 times than it is now then burn it. This makes account creation even more expensive and makes it harder for startups to bring accounts to the blockchain.

This is deepening the dependence on steemit inc to generate accounts, or services who have hundreds of thousands of dollars to burn. Post promotion burn proved to be a failure so were going to try it on account creation sounds legit.

Though we do like the idea of account creation tokens, would we be able to donate these to other projects? Would they regenerate, and if so would they regenerate weekly, monthly or quarterly.
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@timcliff · (edited)
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Not much has really changed from the original proposal other than the removal of the ability to β€œmine” accounts as part of the hardfork.

You can read more in the original proposal [here](https://steemit.com/steemit/@steemitblog/proposing-hardfork-0-20-0-velocity).

The cost of the tokens will be based on SP*time held. So in that sense it will recharge.

Afaik discount account tokens are not transferable.
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@zappl · (edited)
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Were just concerned with new apps that will join that will not have the funds to make accounts. This will have an effect on new application creation for sure. I understand smt's targets big boys but why make an app or app with the feature for registration if the ability to create accounts goes up by 30x.

This is kinda insuring the dominating position for steemit inc as the main account creator for Steem. It don't effect our application much but this will force account creation to only a few select sites basically centralizing account creation for those with the most funds.

EDIT:
if we delegate power to said users will they be able to generate those account creation tokens? It would be cool if we could do that, so we can basically gift account creation to applications and projects, this would also get rid of the concern of account creation centralization.
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