Greast post - this is the kind of conversation we need more of on Hive !

Pulliing together ideas related to good points others have made; 

1. @bitcoinflood raised the issue of advertising. I agree. In order for Hive to grow, we need increased genuine market cap and the cashflow to pay for external advertising. So we should find ways to get advertisers spending money here, in ways that don't clutter th eplace up or get creepy. The only other way to increase market cap is when people invest cold hard cash to buy HIVE.

2. A couple of people have mentioned that curating people who earn and then cash out drains liquidity from Hive an dcommitted Hivers. Perhaps a simple (but controversial) answer is to persuade front ends to code in an icon or colour change in the user's name when they've got a power-down going on. After all, it shows up in the wallet screens, so the data is there !

3. I agree about SEO. Google has to be pushed hard to index Web3 content; I suspect they recognise a competitor when they see one. Post tags are useful internally, but don't really help expternally, and most users (quite rightly !) aren't SEO experts. But Hive has some genius-level developers; I wonder if AI couldn't be put to work looking at posts and creating the SEO for them based on content, then we'd just need to code in ways to feed that data through to Web2.

4. Although I mostly make long-form content, I think short form content needs to be rewarded as well. A big barrier to getting upvotes is seeing a thread or snap with no votes and thinking it's a wasted vote if I don't commit enough to get it over the 2 cent dust threshold. So perhaps the answer is that tiny upvotes for short form content could be consolidated daily (similar to the way they go into containers) and the dust cap for short form content applied to the daily aggregate. 

Sorry, I wrote an essay ! :D


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The biggest primary flaw of hive is that it doesn't bring revenue in to support the token like every other traditional web2 platform does. Ad revenue is critical for any type of real payout from a "social" platform like hive. That's really what all of this comes down to. Is the core business fundamental of revenue generation.

Curation is very complicated indeed. I do believe that HIVE curation inadvertently brings about people/farmers who are here purely for the monetary aspect. I have no problem with that, except in cases where it's a repeated extraction and sale of HIVE. So I basically never ever curate a new user whom I notice is powering down nonstop.

I have a negative view of users who are on Hive and convert all their income out of the ecosystem. As I am the curator of the Brazilian micro community @hive-br, I have tried to also take into account the historical relationship between users and Hive, in a positive way for those who continue to grow their HP, and for now without penalizing the leeches.

The way forward is to be able to exchange Hive for products and services. Soon we will have a payment system for Brazilians where you will use Hive for instant payment in local fiat currency. The revolution is coming!

**@achim03,** I think curation matters, but the question of *"what has value"* is almost impossible to answer.

But Web 2.0 *does* teach us something. Almost nobody is online simply *"to be online,"* they are there in *pursuit* of something; usually something niche or interest/hobby related... whether it's as broad as gaming, or as narrow as stamp collecting. 

Few people are *"loyal to FACEBOOK"* but many people are loyal to their niche interest group/page *on* Facebook. 

Whether we label Hive as Web 3.0 or something else, I don't think the *bones* of what we do here is all that different. Which is to say, is asking *"what's valuable to Hive?"* even the right question? Or should we be asking what attracts people to a particular *community?*

I periodically run into discussions about Splinterlands, in the context of why so many Splinterlands players/stake holders are not active on Hive. And yet? Splinterlands is that rare Hive property that drew *huge numbers of users externally.* But not because they were interested in *Hive,* because they were interested in the *game.* Referring back up to what I said above, Splinterlands is a *community;* an *interest.* It's *its own* thing first, and a *Hive thing* second. 

Part of Hive's problem/challenge is that it has this rather *finite* audience. Unlike a YouTube or a Tiktok or an IG post, you can't *get* 200,000 upvotes here because we have too many virtual *"fences"* between ourselves and Greater Cyberspace. If I see something I really like on virtually *any other platform,* it's about a 15-second process to have an account via *"log in with Google/X/Facebook"* and I can leave some form of thumbs up/engagement. Can't do that here. As such, there's little *incentive* to go in search of external readership... aka *new Hive members.*

I realize this is a little off-topic from your post, but but I feel it *matters,* in terms of answering the question of *"what's good for Hive?"*

Indeed, rewards may attract people and be a great incentive, but that doesn't really *amount* to anything unless Hive is placed in front of thousands or even *millions* of new eyeballs.

Sorry to write an entire blog on your post, but I feel this *is* an important discussion to be had... and without the usual heated finger-pointing.

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Things need to change. Here we see a lot of people who vote for each other and people who are younger users and have been working for a long time to create good content. Not so much supported. 

I hope these ideas grow like seeds!pimp 

I don't think we need a special rewards pool for short-form content. HP holders can decide for themselves where to direct their Votes and thus influence value distribution for the existing pool.
My understanding is that 3-speak up votes content based on its popularity/views, so that might be more in line with your thinking.

I think this was tried on Threads at first and some downvotes followed for the Hive rewards. Threads has the advantage it has its own token, and with it, holders who have enough LEO staked can use whatever weight they want, without a risk of being downvoted. That's especially true if they don't have much HP in their accounts.

>If we tend to reward interaction, creativity and collaboration more with our votes, I believe that it would be very positive for hive in general.

I like the idea of rewarding interaction and participation, rather than only short-form posts.  The long-form content should also be rewarded, but really it's comments and interactions (like games and contests) that really make HIVE interesting.  !BBH

Greetings Achim!. Since as a community leader I have seen how many users, both new and some older ones have chosen to simplify the work. In music we used to demand good writing that complemented the video, but the real value is in that video and I have started to pay more attention to that. Some platforms like Liketu are looking to make it easier and more attractive to users and people have preferred that. Like you I think the most important thing is to encourage interaction and support quality content, whether it's long or short, but that the person feels it's worth continuing to create. I have noticed evolution in Hive and I think it will continue to change, but definitely making it simpler attracts people. I wish everyone was dedicated to growing their HP, especially on my side of the world they don't really understand what that means...

I think it's hard because everyone will have a different opinion on what is good content. However, I do agree that short-form content tends to be the best draw for people. I don't know if there are that many people who would want to read a 10 minute long post and they would probably move on unless it really interests them.

It is a good perspective change to look at value to Hive more. I still think there is value in long form content though for example a comparison with web2 would be Medium. However, their articles are better indexed for SEO and more easy to find content than Hive. I would say we are also a comparison to wordpress and more customability on the homepage/landing page is needed.

I think writing being an art can be quite subjective. Some people might like a piece of writing, but some people might not. I think we all have the right to vote on what we like (and ignore what we don't like) and that's fine. That said, I think it's more important to enjoy the process of writing than just thinking about curation because it's an unhealthy expectation.
!LUV

I agree that more focus should be laid on the value a post/snap brings. The snaps are an easy way for new users and people who are reluctant to write longer posts to engage and get some quick rewards. Once they see the results, there is a chance they get used to it and stay.
Therefore e.g. I upvote the snap container posts as well as they are used to further incentivize snapping.

Btw noise cash is not a good example. Those tips were only funded from a kind of marketing budget. As soon as this ran out, the platform was gone. Not very sustainable :)