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The current linear curation curve by acidyo

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· @acidyo ·
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The current linear curation curve
I've noticed lately that there seems to be a bit of confusion both from newer users and older ones who may still think the curation curve works the same way it was before. Figured a post about it may give people an update on how it works, even if you don't particularly care much about it either cause you don't focus on curation rewards or that you don't have enough stake for them to really "matter" yet. It might give you something to keep in mind and maybe you'll notice why some accounts vote the way they do. 

Basically, there's no real curation sniping anymore. In the past this meant accounts would in drones flock to certain posts by successful authors to get their votes in before bigger votes were to be cast. Then we also had the era where you got a penalty if you voted before 5 minutes of post age, etc. There's been a lot of adjustment and changes to the way curation works but I think we've landed on a good method now given the lack of bid bot votes. 

Linear curation curve with a twist. 

The twist is simple, if you vote on posts that are older than 24 hours, you may forfeit part of your curation returns to those who voted before 24h. Then there's a harsher penalty/forfeit after 48h/72h/etc.

At first glance this may look like it punishes people for voting on posts after 24h but at the same time if the post you're voting on has close to no voters/vote value before your vote, then there's no accounts you're forfeiting your rewards to. The difference is also pretty small after the first 1 day window, I'm not entirely sure how small but I expect it to be the worst voting on the last day so one could assume it's 7 days divided by 100, i.e. 100/7=14.2 so quite possibly a 14.28% "punishment" in curation rewards after the 1st day, double that for the 2nd day, etc. 

These numbers I think would only make sense if looking at examples of same sized accounts. For simplicity's sake let's say the first account that voted within 24h has 100k HP and is about to receive 1 HP in rewards after the post paid out, if another account with 100k HP (and the same vote strength) were to vote after 24h, the first account could receive 14.28% of his 1 HP curation reward return thus resulting in the second account only receiving ~0.86 Hive.

So the size of the previous voters matter and at the same time the day of when you placed your vote matters. Naturally this means that if a post has great rewards already from big voters, the accounts voting late and being smaller won't lose out too much rewards in terms of hive but in terms of percentages it might be quite a lot but still with certain boundaries. I'm not going to get too much more into this as I'm not 100% certain on the way it works and how it may differentiate between different sizes accounts exactly and if it is exactly 7 days or if it's 6.5 days that the partitions are divided in, etc. You at least may get an idea of how it works now. 

If you're an account who usually votes on posts before they hit 24 hours age, you can rest assured that your curation returns should be at the optimal APR which is at around 8.5% currently I believe. 

The other factor that may change your returns are downvotes. 

If you are constantly voting up posts that for one reason or another get downvoted this will also affect your curation rewards naturally. 

Seeing as there's not too many who are aware of the recent changes to curation it also shows that a lot of curation trails and autovotes may not be set up to optimize curation returns. I don't think this is a big problem, if you're not around to keep up on big changes and to adjust your autovotes here and there then I don't mind manual voters getting a bit higher curation returns, even if just temporary. At the same time it can also affect the trails and autovoters if they keep voting on posts with low to no effort or authors that may have become bad actors but they're not around to be aware that some of their votes are returning no curation rewards or heavily penalized ones. 

Yesterday I wrote a post about downvotes and how some like to point towards the use of them in an effort to pain the downvoter as bad people because they're doing it to increase their returns. If you think about it, those rewards that get returned from downvotes are distributed equally with everyone else. The blockchain doesn't keep track of who downvoted what and give the downvoter the rewards it returns to the pool, in that case you may start to wonder if the motives are that but considering how much active stake there is in total (I think about 200m HP) it makes little sense for me as a 340k HP account to go out and downvote ~4 posts per day or however much my downvote mana would afford just so those $20 in rewards were to be redistributed to literally all other accounts receiving curation rewards. Spending that amount of time looking for viable posts to upvote, I could easily just throw a few votes on splinterlands content to more aggressively change my returns. 

With that I wanted to show you some comparison screenshots of one of the best examples of accounts that are potentially taking advantage of these rules for their own gain and how you can see the big difference in real time. Hivestats by @leofinance is one of the only tools I know to date that gives you live APR of your curation rewards and also shows efficiency of your upcoming curation rewards of the week, meaning you can see which posts your votes have landed on and why they're returning higher or lower rewards depending on what you should get at 100% efficiency, i.e. 50% of your vote back. 



![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/acidyo/Enyp2kaXapgtQe3GLofPPvytC5L58NLidCp299v7hnGvGLUUbzMdAZP9qM2qM6B2dKg.png)


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/acidyo/23swk8GGr6E67VbgxNd7sJLNuDuiinCfXAGydMNhXhHx5pdUkGL1zsHaiNGof4G3ecYbD.png)


Here's a couple screenshots showing mine and @ocd's curation APR the previous week worth of rewards. It shows it's a little bit above the norm which I believe is 8.5%, if you go down on the [page](https://hivestats.io/@ocd) you can see why that is the case: 


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/acidyo/Enyp17t66eeYxRNMKa65bU9X1A8URzgyMgX487KYvS7rhHb1U1bnx1kmBVZDtqLcc1H.png)

Checking on the posts with the highest efficiency first you can see that there are quite a few posts we've voted that must've received upvotes after 24h of age whereas our votes landed before the posts hit 24h. Let's take a look at the first post.

With the hiveblockexplorer tool by @penguinpablo you can also check vote history better (hiveblocks used to have this function in the past): https://hiveblockexplorer.com/@seryi13/mario-tennis-aces-much-better-than-i-expected-en-es


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/acidyo/23tSym8QDvPXr6u59Z2vd6xXr4wCcP6JfMjxwwSki34d85oSJrZdcJJfsqoPFV83jsKQ6.png)

Here's a snippet of some of the votes from down to up you can see @ocd and then part of our trial and @ocdb following the trail. It shows the age of when the vote was cast which means it was about 15 hours of the posts's age as hivestats confirmed. So the question we're wondering is, what caused our pending curation returns to be higher? 


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/acidyo/23tSyz4DkrVxUiLsvPNMnPMf4775brrUMVu7JFXbAfVHq4pYPuKvdhuew1GtEogycG2pX.png)


It seems the reason is that @tipu cast a vote, apparently from a command from one of their curator who seemed to have trouble getting it to work on the first day as can be seen in the comments of the post: 


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/acidyo/23tGVvF9JjeobeyHGeUu41JpEqjofbM6JLTT9ms8L5MwgzrLdkYRoYc8PGKrorEDsp92b.png)

Checking the posts with the least efficiency first you can see that we don't always vote on posts within the first 24h and there's even a post at the top that was reported for abuse that we downvoted and dealt with which resulted in 0 curation returns: 


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/acidyo/23swkTXiPK1Th463hLefJoMFCjkia7YL8Q5SqmNRnn3KwmxULLQpEBwTtibQz7ueWbyqv.png)

So overall it's a pretty nice system we have going at the moment, linear curve means that everyone earns equally for the amount of stake they have compared to some dumb quadratic curves we used to have in the past or nonlinear that made it hard for smaller accounts to see if they're doing any difference with their votes. It also goes to show why you should be active with keeping up to date with the rules of the chain and at the same time also staying up to date with the people you may be supporting without having checked up on them in a while - autovoters mainly. Or projects like @tipu that may for instance not be aware of the changes and are allowing curators in their program to cast votes at any time or maybe just don't care about the returns which is fine in and of itself as well. 

That former mentioned negligence may cause some people to take note and curate based on maximizing their returns, though. I haven't looked at tipu's history of curation efficiency but there was something else that stood out to me when I was lurking at hivestats some time ago. It didn't really take a long time to figure out what was causing it given the tools at hand but it might be something the account may want to do something about as this may seem a bit unfair to others of the advantage that's being taken of them. 

The account in question is @splinterland's @steemmonsters which is used for curating splinterlands posts and has an awfully low curation return: 


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/acidyo/EnypTKUFvu1eY2HgCx77V5ZkZ4NJtns1N6V7qD1mtxoGY22LiphVen3D4887rdzQmco.png)

Being under 4% is surprisingly low so naturally I was curious as to what was happening here, are people downvoting splinterlands posts? that didn't make much sense and I couldn't find any posts with downvotes at first neither. 

Looking at their voting efficiency it was easier to determine what was happening here, most of the votes cast by the @steemmonsters team are being cast many days late on old posts: 


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/acidyo/23tGXT35aDmMFFXKxEBA5v6GdpXZbcSEaK5j6tQVNVgXfVLQKPAaFojJwmxRukRNHdxUX.png)

It still seemed a bit weird to me, though, given the explanation at the top of the post: 

> the size of the previous voters matter and at the same time the day of when you placed your vote matters

If it was just regular users "front-running" splinterlands' votes with smaller stakes it wouldn't have this big of an impact on their returns, there must be other big accounts who may have noticed their late voting and are probably taking advantage of it to extract a lot of their curation rewards. It didn't take long to figure that out neither just opening the posts in the screenshot above up and checking the usual big voters beside @steemmonsters: 


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/acidyo/23swkXpiQki9yEwnAcPqVMADW5avYefpCYzYs1W3rKVkxEh6Zu2mkkRFGmFRPKtjXGXHa.png)

Dang, 12.5% APR is quite a lot, it's effectively costing @steemmonsters about 2500 hive per week in curation rewards going to other accounts. As far as I know you have a lot of curators in your team, shouldn't be difficult to make it work with getting most of the posts curated before they hit 24 hours of age. I run a pretty big curation project as well and we make due with getting them voted early-ish with some of them being found late but still underrewarded that we don't want to skip and accept whatever minus APR that entails.

Either way, it was one of the examples that stood out the most of how curation APR can swing for certain accounts at the cost of others. 

On an ending note.

Post age matters when you cast your vote but also if it has a lot of vote strength behind it that was cast on the first day. This shouldn't discourage you from still voting on old posts you find you want to reward, especially if they have close to no votes on the posts when you're about to curate them. Other than that it's if authors have a tendency to get downvoted, hopefully for legit reasons, which may affect your curation returns.

There may even be people voting on posts late on purpose, for instance if I were to vote on a post of mine at the last day before payout I would practically forfeit most of my curation rewards just to reward my curators a bit extra. It hasn't really been something I've been doing, though, cause it may come across like bribing them to continue voting on my posts so I'd get higher post rewards. Maybe I can do it once in a while on posts where I'm forfeiting rewards due to the nature of the post and low effort behind it like I some times do just for the engagement and entertainment aspect. 

Either way, hope you learned something new and it might maybe change your ways to not leave curation rewards on the table for no good reason if you weren't aware of it, especially if your curation methods were incentivizing bots and maximizers to target you. :P

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@artgirl · (edited)
Huh so maybe I should check my stats too to find out how I'm doing. Now we know there's a change. 

Upon checking Hivestats it seems like I'm doing terrible. šŸ˜‚ Had no idea.
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@awesomeintrigue ·
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Wow, I didn't know there was so much behind this voting system. It sounds like an old system was really getting gamed. Did the newer one make a big difference for smaller accounts? Also, who do you recommend to follow to stay up to date with these kinds of things?
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@behiver ·
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Great insight and I also tried to address the curation curve and how it works after HF25 - [Deciphering the curation rewards algorithm on the Hive blockchain](https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@behiver/deciphering-the-curation-rewards-algorithm-on-the-hive-blockchain).

Nevertheless, since I have joined Hive back in 2017 what I always loved to do without any scope behind it is to go through the Newest posts on the blockchain. This would provide a chronological timeline of what's been posted and allow me to identify useful articles that might be overseen if not voted on or curated by whales. It's one habit that I still do and I use curated content only when I don't have time at all during the day and I don't want my voting power to stay at 100%.
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@bitcoinflood · (edited)
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The 24 hour window I feel levels the playing field and is for sure a step in the right direction when it was made. However maybe some other adjustments might need to be made since it seems like a few are starting to find ways to "game" the system again.   It's always hard to tell.

Also another important factor is how downvotes simply remove a high reward from someone and distribute it to everyone else.  Always good to bring up these refreshers and reminders as Hive continues to grow.

Also interesting little case to see between Splinterlands and BDVoter and not something I would have even though was possible. 
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@acidyo ·
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It's a bit lame imo, I tried to not be opinionated about that in the post but it especially sucks seeing splinterlands miss out on a lot of rewards considering what they've done for the chain and the amount of stake they've bought up just so others can maximize their returns. Hopefully they'd consider changing how they go about voting the posts they curate. 
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@jaki01 ·
The introduction of the linear reward curve was a big improvement and step into the right direction.

However, I see no reason at all to treat late votes (within the seven day reward window) differently than early votes. Treating them just equal would easily avoid cases like that of Splinterlands.
I place my 100% manual upvotes normally twice or thrice per week and thus see many posts of authors in my feed rather late.
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@brianoflondon ·
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Double guessing this stuff makes my head hurt. I just vote up good stuff when I see it.
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@cjlugo ·
I'm sure the Splinterlands team is aware of the situation, the detail is that they focus their curarion on all participants to help them grow in the game, and reward them for sharing post about the game week by week. If they were to focus their curation to only -24 hour posts many accounts would not be rewarded and that would be a negative aspect in user growth and retention, in fact I dare say it would be a bigger loss for them than the penalty for rewards being diverted to other projects.

As for the topic I thank you for the information, that explains in large part why the rewards I get from my daily curation and how they vary week to week.

Now I can make some adjustments and get a little more with my hp on stake.
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@acidyo ·
I don't understand your reasoning to the curation by splinterlands, the posts don't change, it shouldn't matter much when they are voted, in fact voting late may give the posts less attention/visibility. Just having a few curators submit posts for curation would be enough for the voter to cover the 24h especially if they're in different timezones and I'm sure they have way more curators judging by the comments they leave. 

I'd be interested in knowing how exactly their curation method works cause I'm suspecting there might be a mole feeding others info on what's going to be curated to extract even more rewards from them. Similarly someone in ocd could tell others if posts about to cross the 24h window will be upvoted next voting round but there's so few of those I don't think anyone's doing that activity within our project. 

The more I read your rational the less sense it makes, no one needs to be skipped just cause they're voted before the 24h window of post age. 
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@cjlugo ·
>I'd be interested in knowing how exactly their curation method works cause I'm suspecting there might be a mole feeding others info on what's going to be curated to extract even more rewards from them..

There is no mole or so I can observe. Splinterlands has three weekly activities that they curate, everything that is posted there or more than 95% that meets the criteria set by them is curated, there is no such thing as a curator choosing what will be curated or not, that has already been set by the Splinterlands team in the conditions of their activities.

When I talk about visualization it's more outside of Hive than in Hive itself, they reward users who advertise the game on social networks, it's a job that attracts others to the game and to Hive itself, because then they start to participate in these activities that I have named you in the previous paragraph.

That's what I deduce based on the way they vote.
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@dbooster ·
Thanks for the info!
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@enforcer48 ·
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Not gonna lie, having the 24-hour window actually makes me feel okay to vote things outside of that range once in a while.
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@greddyforce · (edited)
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This post is like a godsend right now. Just the other day I was wondering if I still get the best curation return like in the older days. Didnt know any way to find any info about it.
Super glad that you made this post and updated my knowledge about it, thanks!

Turns out I have been curating mostly on the good times šŸ˜€
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@grindle ·
$0.09
Well bugger me, I knew nothing of this curves quadratics linear.... timelines sheesh! learn something new everyday
memo to self: Visit daily not 3 times a week 
self to memo. good point well made
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@guruvaj ·
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thank you for this wonderful explanation, salamat po.
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@jude9 ·
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This is really informative post for us Newbies who would just hop into a community and begin to cast votes without checking the posts age. So, if we want to streamline things for the voter to get some substantial amount of curation rewards, which time is best for voting, if I may ask?
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@acidyo ·
Anywhere before the post hits 24 hours of age, it doesn't matter what time during the day or anything. As long as it's before the post becomes 24h old and the post doesn't get downvoted before payout. 
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@jude9 ·
Thanks for your good reply!
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@kaibagt ·
This issue of rewards really made me reflect a little on the vote issue, for example you saw a really good post, but it has passed two days, it is better not to vote than to vote, since as you mention, sometimes it may be helping Some bots to be unintentionally strengthening.
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@shiftrox ·
This idea of 24 hours being crucial to getting the vote is something I've had in my head for a while. This is the vital period that your post has to explode, otherwise you will hardly get anything else after that.
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@leprechaun ·
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One big issue for finding up-to-date information on the way Hive works is when I use a search I won't get this post.  I will get something from 2016.  At the top there will be many many many posts from 7 years ago and filtering doesn't work because if you choose the last two weeks you still get stuff from 2016.


![](https://images.ecency.com/DQmeYYfKzCnBVn3nkv2zR82DL1NtCTZ2Q2ycmUhNPMbXfnh/screenshot_20230307_083006_chrome.jpg) this screenshot is the result of searching for the word Rewards in posts from the last 2 weeks. However these results are not from the last two weeks.
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@acidyo ·
Sounds like it's an issue with the search function on @ecency. 
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@leprechaun ·
Yes, and hivesearcher has the same backend for search unfortunately.
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@ecency ·
Try changing last week filter to different one and change back to last week again. It should be working, there seem to be small bug. We will fix that soon
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@livinguktaiwan ·
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I could never understand the 24 hour curation penalty, the rationale and purpose behind it. It assumes people are on Hive at least every 24 hours. Some people have a real life with real jobs and real family, why should they be penalised for that? It's just mind boggling 
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@acidyo ·
Myeah I think the idea was that most posts in general get most of the attention/curation in the first day anyway but I wasn't a fan of this either, especially knowing that with my and ocd's curation we often stumble upon posts or authors late and would like to still give them a proper vote. I would've been more in favor of a 2/4/6-7 day split than 1/2/3/4/5/6/7. 
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@livinguktaiwan ·
Yeah, that makes a lot more sense. The day 6-7 curation penalty is definitely needed to avoid people last minute abuse voting. Ultimately it's the genuine authors that lose out because of this and that's a pity 
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@melbourneswest ·
Thank you for the update I wasn't sure if you still had to wait a few minutes before upvoting or not and there's no real way of checking how your votes are turning out without pulling an report and like many I just CBF. 
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@mikezillo ·
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That's a nice and interesting post about how curation works šŸ˜Ž

I have a humble and maybe "childish" question: how to make the post getting noticed from OCD curation? 
I really thought that a couple of my latter posts could be really deserving but then no OCD came. 

Do you have suggestions to get fairly noticed? 
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@acidyo ·
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It's probably just about being a bit more consistent in posting within communities of our scope, I'm sure you'll be nominated eventually.
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@mikezillo ·
I will look into it. I saw posts where OCD shared the community where they are active the most. And we will see each other there :D
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@milaan ·
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Quite informative, and most of my genuine doubts are cleared now.

However....I need further clarification on this.

> Post age matters when you cast your vote but also if it has a lot of vote strength behind it that was cast on the first day. This shouldn't discourage you from still voting on old posts you find you want to reward, especially if they have close to no votes on the posts when you're about to curate them.

Suppose there is a post that no one has voted yet, at the end of the 4th day, if a curator votes it, does he lose the proportionate curation reward on the 4th day, as you said previously the curation reward stands to deplete proportionately if the curated after 24 hrs. So in this particular example, can you tell how would it affect it if no one has curated a particular post at the end of 4th day? (not in the context of the position of voting but rather what would be loss on account of timing of voting, beyond 24 hours).

Thank you so much. 


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@acidyo ·
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No, if there are no votes or tiny/very small ones compared to yours you lose next to nothing in that case and if there are literally no votes you lose nothing in return no matter what day (unless you vote in the 12h before payout window, there you get penalized each hour leading up to payout, i.e. 75% at 9 hours before payout, 50% at 6 hours and 100% at ~a few seconds before payout)
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@milaan ·
Alright. Thanks for the clarification.

In my opinion, it's better to vote comments, comment voting seems to be more organic for obvious reasons, and automated votes are mostly concentrated in posts.  

From another angle, post-curation is just a culmination of the overall social activities of a user. So outrightly calling it automated would be unfair. 

In any case, the current reward curve looks better and more equitable.

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@mirroredspork ·
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I would vote on this, but now I am unsure whether or not I would get curation rewards!

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@mobbs ·
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>It hasn't really been something I've been doing, though, cause it may come across like bribing them

Not so much as bribe as 'paying dividends' as one would for any regular shareholder =)

Cheers for this, I was literally reading an apparently very outdated post about curation yesterday!
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@acidyo ·
Yeah but before you know it you'll see people abusing the mehtod in one way or another. xD
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@mobbs ·
True... if only I could be bothered to jump on the abuse bandwagon XD 

(also, bernie just posted ??)
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@morenow ·
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I learned a lot from this post, it's interesting to see how the healing curve actually works.  
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@notconvinced ·
You state,
>  If you think about it, those rewards that get returned from downvotes are distributed equally with everyone else. The blockchain doesn't keep track of who downvoted what and give the downvoter the rewards it returns to the pool, in that case you may start to wonder if the motives are that but considering how much active stake there is in total (I think about 200m HP) it makes little sense for me as a 340k HP account to go out and downvote ~4 posts per day or however much my downvote mana would afford just so those $20 in rewards were to be redistributed to literally all other accounts receiving curation rewards.

This is not true. The rewards go back into the pool where the larger stakes get the highest percentage of it. It is NOT split equally.
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@acidyo ·
Why would I mean it that way? Why would they get split based on amount of accounts holding HP rather than split equally based on HP? 

That would just encourage people to create more accounts like your friend trying to milk rewards you were crying about the other day. 
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@notconvinced ·
Whatever you meant, what you actually typed is wrong.
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@blocktrades ·
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The rewards just get distributed to other posts. It doesn't go to larger stakes or smaller stakes. Your stake doesn't have much to do with the author rewards on your posts unless you're a huge stakeholder voting your own posts.
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@acidyo ·
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That's a much better answer than I was thinking of, sure 50% of the downvoted/returned to pool rewards go to curators but half go to all other authors who often times aren't big stakeholders. Unless you mean downvoted post rewards go only towards post rewards and none to curators which would be news to me 

Something this person also seems to ignore is that it's mostly larger stakeholders who are mostly affected by the downvotes in terms of Hive amount so his point never really made a lot of sense IMO.
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@notconvinced · (edited)
OMG, the rewards pool is distributed by stake being used to curate, so yes it does go to the larger stakes. You should know better. Author rewards are determined by the individual stakes of both the curator and the author. On top of that, we aren't just talking about Author rewards, because rewards are split, so there's curation rewards as well, where the higher stakes have the highest vote value and by default earn a higher return from the rewards pool. Try again!
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@p1k4ppa10 ·
Really good explanation, wlwro aware of the voting mechanisms and I keep up to date but now I have much clearer ideas.

Currently my voting power is really low and I tend to express my appreciation for quality posts by voting, I rarely go beyond the 24 hour window because I like to comb through the posts daily but it happens that someone maybe slips by me right away and I vote later.
Maybe I'm missing something but it doesn't matter if I can make my small contribution by appreciating good posts even after 24 hours.

Thank you so much for the clarifications, your posts are always very useful, I love them!
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@pero82 ·
I'm definitely going to have to read this post a couple of more times *(bookmarked)*.
So the 5 mins penalty is not a thing any more? I must've read some very old post when trying to figure out the vote mechanics...
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@phoenixwren ·
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I knew that it had changed but I didn't really know the details, so thanks for this. My curation rewards are small and I vote manually, so I'm ok if my votes aren't optimized to make me the most returns, I'm more concerned with dropping my nickel and dime votes on smaller accounts or really cool posts or spreading it around to a wider group of people. šŸ˜„
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@samsmith1971 ·
$0.28
Oh wow, this was just shared in a little Saturday savers group discord chat that I am in and it is incredibly useful. I had no idea how the curation curve worked. You hear so many different versions across the spectrum of how people *think* it works... and I am guessing that most of them were *right* in their understanding, *at some point* of the game, lol. But this post clarifies a lot!  Thank you! I never gave it much though myself before now... I just read and voted, regardless of the aging of posts... but I think I will try to read current posts earlier in the curation cycle now if I can... although I will still always read and support older ones that catch my eye. definitely reblogging this one and adding to bookmarks! šŸ¤— !PIZZA !ALIVE 
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@youarealive ·
<center><p>@acidyo! <b>You Are Alive</b> so I just staked 0.1 <b>$ALIVE</b> to your account on behalf of @samsmith1971. <sub>(3/10)</sub></p>
<p>The tip has been paid for by the <a href="https://www.wearealiveand.social/">We Are Alive Tribe</a> through the earnings on @alive.chat, feel free to swing by our daily chat any time you want. <br /> <img src="https://i.imgur.com/p2WXJLn.png"></p></center>
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@seki1 ·
$0.09
Oh well, this isn't a post for me with my little 315 HPšŸ˜‚
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@acidyo ·
8.5% APR is 8.5% APR ;)

probably higher APY and if you consistently post it can grow exponentially.
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@enforcer48 ·
$0.09
Can confirm. According to Hivestats.io, I'm around 8.6% despite hitting 100% or voting after 24 hours and whatnot from time to time. 
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@shahriar33 ·
Will it effect if the vote is too little to count?
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@skiptvads ·
Weeks ago I was looking for this kind of information as I discover hivestats and was wondering how efficiency works instead of fooling around with settings for some votes, after a few days I gave up and thought 7% was fine for me but now I see that 12% is possible šŸ˜“ makes me feel lame again 
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@tobetada ·
$0.10
>If it was just regular users "front-running" splinterlands' votes with smaller stakes it wouldn't have this big of an impact on their returns, there must be other big accounts who may have noticed their late voting and are probably taking advantage of it to extract a lot of their curation rewards. It didn't take long to figure that out neither just opening the posts in the screenshot above up and checking the usual big voters beside @steemmonsters:

Thanks for explaining that; I coudln't figure out why bdvoter has such a high APR

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@acidyo ·
It's a bit sad seeing projects abandon their past focus in an effort to maximize returns, their community looks like a joke now: 


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@tydynrain ·
This is very useful information to know! I was aware of some of it, but you fleshed out a good bit more of it for me. šŸ˜šŸ™šŸ’šāœØšŸ¤™
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@urri2020 ·
Until bdvoter started curating Splinterlands, my APR was 25% :)
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@dlmmqb ·
Eddie-earner or one of silverstaker account had 25%. Can't seem to get the info currently.
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@urri2020 ·
$0.02
I had a maximum of 28.8% APR https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@urri2020/my-curation-apr-28-79
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@wrestlingdesires ·
$0.10
>you can rest assured that your curation returns should be at the optimal APR which is at around 8.5% currently I believe.

I knew Hivestats gave me my short-term curation stats, but had no idea of the annual amount! I actually thought it was around 2%. Personally I just try to reward based on quality, and sometimes whether or not they use the VYB / POB tags as well.

This post has been manually curated by the VYB curation project
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