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The horrendous failure of curating Quality Content by anomadsoul

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· @anomadsoul ·
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The horrendous failure of curating Quality Content
I've been on Hive for 6 and a half years.

I'm one of the OGs, as they like to be called, which is not be confused with ninja members or genesis users, those came way before me. Those early, really early users like @pharesim, @acidyo and others experienced an incredibly different ecosystem than what we have right now, they actually saw it come to life and grow from a half assed blogging editor to the 100 dApps that Hive has now.

One of the foundations of this ecosystem, or at least the blogging side of this ecosystem was, has been, is, and odds are, it will be, is that **Quality Content should get rewarded**.

#### It's a simple premise, but an effective one.

And thus, curation guilds lead by @donkeypong, @kevinwong, @papa-pepper, @instructor2121 and a ton more were born. Most of these curation guilds empowered by their own massive stakes, some backers with even more massive stakes, or simply boosted by a @steemit inc (aka Stinc, or stink for the homies) delegation.

These curation guilds relied on *Trails*. Delegations were a thing back then, but Curation rewards were too precious to give away, so big users would just follow the vote of these guilds to give them more influence in the reward pool allocation.

It worked, Steem was thriving at first.

But adoption never came. We never went mainstream.

#### Building a social ecosystem under an erroneous premise?

Now, the title of this post is partly true, and partly just clickbait so that maybe it generates some conversations and dialogue, hopefully.

Have we encouraged content creation on Hive based on erroneous premises?

One of the main Paradigms - perhaps the only one - of curation practices on Hive is that **Quality Content should be rewarded**, and content of low quality should get low rewards.

If we simplify this, we get this:

> Quality = Rewards.

https://images.hive.blog/DQmTi3wScHtzg66CSaqqb92sQKynuSWpTXYZ1bCLYL1UMJK/image.png 

Some Quality content does get rewarded, but not all of it. I'm not here to discuss what gets curated, I want to discuss why it gets curated.

The *Quality paradigm* is great, don't misunderstand me.

But it doesn't work alone, it never has and it never will.

The main driver for the ninjas and genesis curation guilds to reward quality content was, and to my understanding it still is, that *Quality content will drive adoption and retention because potential users who come to Hive will see amazingly written, superbly formatted, and  outstandingly visually supported content, and they will want to stay.

This, in Theory, works wonders. This premise is completely true, these curation guilds were correct at assessing under what foundations they should encourage content creation on Hive.

But what they (we) failed to realize, is that the *Curation of Quality content* is only half of the equation.

#### We need traffic

As I mentioned above, and I want to be repetitive, this premise was indeed true, correct and with the best intentions in mind, intentions and ideals that come from being part of something revolutionary that could change how social media works(ed). 

#### It just was not enough. It is still not enough.

One side of the coin is *rewarding Quality Content so that potential users see the value in creating and consuming content on Hive*.

The other side of the same coin is *Actually bringing those potential users*, otherwise what's the whole point of rewarding Quality content?

Reward pool distribution, Reward pool abuse, plagiarism policing, the new guy in town called AI content creation and limitations... all of these are important, as long as we are indeed growing, bringing people to the platform, and sharing the table with new hivers. Otherwise, we are failing to see the burning forest because we are too worried about a tree with plague.

Sure, if not dealt with, the tree with plague will infect all the forest eventually, but if we don't deal with the shrinking forest, who cares about the plague because there will be no forest, right?

#### Expanding the Curation Paradigms

Curating Quality content is valuable, but what if these curation guilds like @ocd, @curangel, @appreciator, @leo.voter, and more, focused in also curating content that drives traffic to Hive?

It's not enough to compose great publications, we also need to share them outside and reach out to content consumers and creators. #posh incentivizes this to a degree, and it was working wonders before X changed their API's rules.

But even then, even if a user shares a post on Instagram, is it really driving traffic to the ecosystem? Is it helping us grow?

Who cares if I, on a daily basis, write a 3,000 word post with self made images, talking about the new shift in institutional investment patterns if only people who are already on Hive will read it?

I mean, I would hope that it gets some votes and all of that of course, but let's compare this post with a One picture post with two paragraphs that the creator shares on Twitter and it goes viral, bringing 10 new Hive users. 

Odds are, no curation guild in the history of Hive will actively touch the second post (ok, maybe a couple of them would, but for the wrong reasons). The first one will probably get curated by one, or maybe even two guilds, especially if I am a newbie.

But the second one is helping Hive one hundred times more than the first one, because it is actually pushing adoption and growth towards Hive.

And yet, there hasn't been a single curation guild - and I am guilty of this as I was an important part of OCD for around 3 years - has focused in curating content that drives traffic, no matter the quality of the content.

Quality is subjective, and if a *shitty post by my standards* shouldn't get curated and yet it brought 3 new users, well then perhaps I should think about expanding my standards.

The best part is that google analytics allows curation guilds to review and track what posts or authors are bringing traffic to the platform, and we could reward them for that.

We wouldn't need to get rid of that first paradigm, the one that encourages us to reward quality content.

But perhaps, it shouldn't be the only curation paradigm we take into account when allocating the reward pool. 

***

Or maybe I am delusional and writing pure horseshit.

But either way, why don't you give me your opinion in the comment section? I would appreciate the dialogue.

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@aaronleang ·
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Quality content - what makes good content can be in the eye of the beholder. Some folks really dig a long, well-thought-out piece with lots of words, while others are happy with a couple of selfies and a few words.

In the past, we've put a lot of effort into driving more people to our site. But when the market dips and rewards aren't as shiny, many of those folks just don't stick around.

I admit I'm one of them in the past and now I'm back again making contents again but this time without any expectation. 
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@anomadsoul ·
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Holy shit man, so good to hear from you! If memory doesn't fail me, we met in Lisbon (or was it Krakow?) with Bitrocker and you were part of coingecko? Or damn, am I getting confused here...

The *come for the rewards, stay for the community* motto was good at one point, but I think that we should (and I think we are) move away from that. People should come for the dapps, stay for the community, and appreciate the cherry on top that rewards represent. 

Yes, it's nice to get rewards, but those shouldn't be the main driver of our users, because that's why we've had a 95% (or maybe more? I'm pulling this numbers off my ass) of users leave Hive eventually, because the rewards are not what they expected.

I am glad you are back fren, and I do hope that I remember how we met correctly.
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@aaronleang ·
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Yup, we met in Krakow with @bitrocker2020, @joannewong, and @elizacheng (the TeamMalaysia gang) haha, it was during SF3. Wish I was part of CoinGecko, but nah, not quite yet, just daydreaming. 😂

I'm with you on this one, mate:

> Folks should be drawn by the dapps, but it's the community that makes them stick around.

You're spot on! HIVE could really do with a little clean up. They need to spruce up the way they present their dApps, and sweep the non-working ones or the dead projects under the rug. I was a bit baffled trying to find my way around when I first came back, took me a while!

But it's so great to be back, reconnecting with all the old pals and making new ones. It's all good fun!
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@article61 · (edited)
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Very well presented post and I hope that the intended target audience are taking note, and that includes your comment section too. I’ve recently highlighted 2 authors who have been deemed to be unworthy of rewards, one of which has now left Hive. I imaging these authors potentially bring more traffic to hive than I ever could. I enjoy writing and make plenty of effort when creating content but it’s never bothered me to see someone get rewarded for a few lines of text and a picture. Plenty of enjoyment can be found with posts like those, and aren’t we supposed to be creating an enjoyable platform? It’s time the old guard submitted to the idea that not all quick posts are shit posts and not everyone who creates this shorthand content is necessarily farming rewards. More often than not I’d say these creators are replicating what they do on other more successful platforms and bringing that to Hive. It’s a shame to see these accounts earn rewards, begin to establish themselves, and then get noticed by an disapproving whale. 
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@beatminister · (edited)
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One problem is, that everybody has a different idea of what quality means. Quality for user A is a sleeping pill for user B.
And the other problem is - rewards are by far not only depending on quality. As a long time user you will know what I'm talking about. All the time - also the time when it still was Steemit - we are struggling with nepotism or outright fraud and con artists.
I guess the biggest problem for Hive is what makes it unique (well almost unique) - the reward system. Without the financial aspect all that wouldn't even happen at all. And most people wouldn't be here, I guess, quality content or not.
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@beeeee ·
I am new here, but I would want to know what exactly is your criteria for a quality as an OG of the platform please 
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@beerbod ·
I think we can have a bracketing system for authors and the curation they are eligible for. Like a tier system. It could help in both quality and rerention.
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@bitcoinflood ·
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There's a ton of what I would call "hobby" bloggers here on hive that write about travels and such and get voted out of the woodwork. Issue with these is they simply wont rank and drive traffic nor are these people sharing their blog post on hive with other social networks to drive that traffic and engagement it just sits all on hive. 

Many of these hobby bloggers also take their rewards and sell them out of hive which I mean is ok but it's just a constant drain on the hive price when that happens. There are many MANY more factors that should be considered with curation and curation trails but are either far too hard to track, too time consuming or any number of the above things.

Will we get there? I'm not so sure... However I will say I believe we have gotten better. But there's always room to learn, grow and improve and that's something we all should be open to.
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@bitcoinman ·
I can dig it and that's a huge part of my hive growth initiative, we need to make our blogs for the world in mind not just hive and curation of onboarding posts are way better for the ecosystem 
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I've mentioned quite a few times, some indirectly, that HIVE is too obsessed with wordcount. There really isn't any need for 1 photo to need to be followed by a 100 word paragraph. Instagram got big just from people sharing random photos. That's what the masses like. 

Missing the forest for the trees is indeed a very apt description of what some self professed guardians of the chain are guilty of, with the reason often being "protecting the reward pool". I'd rather grow the pie massively than try to keep more of the pie. Everyone gains far more eventually.
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@atma.love ·
See also this thread https://ecency.com/ocd/@anomadsoul/the-horrendous-failure-of-curating-quality-content#@trostparadox/re-acidyo-rytxtp
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@freedomprepper ·
Agreed.
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@chrisaiki ·
The worst part of Hive is that quality content posts don't get any rewards if you don't know people who have invested in Hive. People mostly vote for their friends or people from same communities.
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@tonyz ·
It is Social Media, you have to interact.
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@notconvinced ·
Right, which validates his statement. It's about relationships, not content.
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@coinjoe ·
$1.02
For what it is worth, and just my simple observations. It seems this is a place of mostly content creators that also consume. Some maybe don't consume so much. Seems most is mostly auto voting and such. What we need is the pure content consumer. Now would the typical content consumer be interested in anything I write? Doubt it, but I am here for reasons other than just rewards and not selling or marketing anything, so...

Anyway, your idea has merit I beleive. But these frontends need to start making it much easier to share posts on other social media outlets and via other venues as well. For instance, on PeakD you have to scroll all the way to the bottom, click on three dots next to a reblog symbol to find the "share link" option. If you look at most content on Web2, social icons are front and center to share the content.
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@anomadsoul ·
$0.64
We do have some content consumers, but they don't comment - which is my arbitrary metric for measuring active content consumers - and I'm guilty of this as well. I read around 100 posts on hive on a daily basis, and I comment in less than 2. I suck, I should comment more but that's a story for another fireplace hehe.

I agree, not everyone has to create amazing content that brings the masses, if we are being honest we don't even have the talent pool to put 100 stupid good posts on trending every day, but we do have a few. Those posts should trend through the guilds' curation.

But then, all the other voting power could be used to encourage users to attract traffic to hive.

So we'd effectively have a community effort where some people create good content and get good rewards, and then the *not-so-good* content creators who wouldn't earn rewards from votes, would earn rewards through attracting and onboarding users.

And this community effort would work ten times better than what we have right now, don't you think? 
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@coinjoe ·
Yeah it could probably work. I am all about whatever will help get consumer eyeballs on posts. 
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@crazyphantombr ·
$0.21
Eu posso agregar um pouco nesta conversa, mas se eu fizer isso você não vai me entender (suponho). 
E se eu mudar de língua através de um tradutor, é provável que algo da comunicação se perca. Vou tentar.

> I can add a little to this conversation, but if I do, you won't understand me (I suppose).
And if I change languages through a translator, it is likely that some of the communication will be lost. I am going to try.



As duas coisas são necessárias. 

Uma delas atrai novos usuários, mostra que aqui pode ser um lugar legal, divertido, sério, confuso e muitas outras coisas. A outra ajuda a segurar o usuário aqui no longo período de incubação que é o pós-ingresso na Hive e, ou seja, se manter na Hive. 

E talvez, somente estas duas não sejam suficientes, e serão necessárias novas formas de interação que irão complementar a dinâmica de relações entre o usuário interno, externo, as curadorias e as recompensas. Se em um jogo de futebol são 11 jogadores em campo, estamos apenas com 2 jogando a partida. Por quê estamos "perdendo" (se é que estamos)? 

Acredito que a resposta final é que novas formas de interação são necessárias e serão criadas em algum momento, fazendo com que consigamos furar a bolha, dar visibilidade à rede, atrair novos usuários, ***manter os novos usuários***, e assim fazer o que suponho seja a vontade de todos, que é o crescimento sustentável da rede Hive.

> Both things are necessary.
One of them attracts new users, shows that here can be a cool, fun, serious, confusing place and many other things. The other helps to keep the user here in the long incubation period that is post-joining Hive and, that is, the new user remaining in Hive.
And perhaps, only these two are not enough, and new forms of interaction will be needed that will complement the dynamics of relationships between the internal and external user, curations and rewards. If in a soccer game there are 11 players on the field, we are only playing with 2. Why are we "losing" (we really are)?
I believe that the final answer is that new forms of interaction are necessary and will be created at some point, making it possible for us to burst the bubble, give visibility to the network, attract new users, ***keep new users***, and so on to do what I believe is everyone's will, which is the sustainable growth of the Hive network.

my best regards
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@denmarkguy ·
$2.93
Eric, to be honest I think *"quality content"* is a bit of a unicorn and even though I was among the OGs who clamored for quality content I have gradually come to the perspective that it's less about *quality* than about whether something *adds value* to the community. And *"value"* is very subjective, depending on who you are, and who you ask. 

Part of why I say this actually predates Hive by a good three decades, and goes back to my University days and creative writing courses — one in particular — where the instructor pointed out that when you go to a bookstore, *less than ONE PERCENT* of what's on the shelves is what you might consider *"literature quality"* writing, while 99% is pretty much *illiterate pop-pulp.*

Look at the top names on YouTube, IG, twitter/X, Tiktok and other places and *quality* is hardly the term that comes to mind. *Value* also is a more niche-based idea than *quality.* Photos of cute kittens have *value* to cat lovers. But unless you happen to be a professional pet photographer *quality* is dubious.

*VALUE,* however, is important and matters. I'm not trying to split hairs with semantics here, though. However, let's look around at many of our dApps, quite of few of which are now built around short form/quick content that will *never* have quality... as you well know, being part of the front marketing wave of LeoFinance's "Threads"* initiative.

But when it comes to attracting new users, the *content* people find... *SPECIFICALLY* what a first time visitor who has never been logged in sees... *IS* super important; a bit like the storefront windows of a shop. And I will say that has improved *a lot* in the 6 1/2 years I've been part of this gig!

*Value* comes in many forms. Sometimes *(this from my own personal content consumption patterns)* the *value* comes in having favorite authors who produce *"reasonably good and interesting content"* with consistency and regularity... I *know* I can find my favorite authors, and I return to read them... and even *worry* about them, if they miss a couple of weeks. That regularity is another aspect of *value.*
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@trostparadox ·
You've really nailed it here, imho, with your *value* vs. *quality* argument.

The issue then becomes:  what is *valuable* to me might be complete garbage to you.  That is why we need some level-headed downvote reform.  It is far too easy for a whale to massively DV the 'garbage' that I find valuable, which negatively impacts both me and the content creator.

See [my comments here](https://peakd.com/ocd/@trostparadox/re-acidyo-ryu6nj) for some suggestions on how to potentially reform the system.
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@devpress ·
$0.21
> Quality is subjective, and if a shitty post by my standards shouldn't get curated and yet it brought 3 new users, well then perhaps I should think about expanding my standards.

Haha. Reminds me when I used to think what do people who write about makeup and the sports commentary do. A lot of people on that niche get voted in 20USD or so worth of vote in some communities. I suppose sometimes we have to expand the shell where we are exposed to. I mostly am in STEM, Programming related shell but I do explore outside and kind of make me wonder on other niche and the quality but I let those expert in that niche deal with that.
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@anomadsoul ·
$0.46
Exactly, I have my own opinions on videos of people thinking, but I am not an expert on that niche and I have no idea what brings value and what takes value. Hey if a karaoke girl can make hive trend in youtube who cares if the song is shit or if she's selling all her rewards. The net value she brings is positive.

I am a rookie JS programmer, so nice to hear of another fellow dev man! 
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@dfinney ·
$0.73
I don’t think it has anything to do with quality content. People looking for quality content have thousands of options. And creators of great content are probably off getting book deals or something vs blogging on a blockchain no one has heard of. Above anything Hive is meant to be social media that pays users money. For people to stay they need at least one of two things:

1. True connection/friendship
2. A revenue stream that is felt to be worth the effort. 

If you have the friends the money doesn’t matter, because interaction is the reward. 

If you have revenue, you will stick around to get your lambos. 

If you have both, then you are a happy camper.
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@edb · (edited)
$0.61
RE: The horrendous failure of curating Quality Content
Yeah, this is why I don't want us to focus on quality, which is often linked to effort, but rather value, from the reader's point of view.

Isn't @arcange or @demotruk tracking the impact of posts in terms of external views?
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@arcange ·
$0.36
No, we can't track anything in terms of views from the blockchain data. The only ones that can do that are those running a front-end like Peakd, Ecency, Leofinance, ... and they will only be able to track their share of the views.<div><a href="https://engage.hivechain.app">![](https://i.imgur.com/XsrNmcl.png)</a></div>
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@demotruk · (edited)
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I don't think we have anything more than the [peakd.com views](https://peakd.com/views) page. That is limited to peakd.com, but that also happens to be our most trafficked site.

If you explore that for a bit, you'll notice that the numbers of views to get to the top are extremely low.

No traffic is landing in our ecosystem. IMO we should consider this the top priority to fix. LEOFinance is considering the approach of sharing ad revenue. I think we should try the avenue of using DHF funds to reward high traffic posts (ideally across all platforms, though that means hive.blog, ecency.com, liketu.com etc. all need to start showing view counters).

Really we should be doing both, because our views are so extremely low that we should consider it an existential matter.
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@fieryfootprints ·
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I think that creating a content that attracts new users is even harder than making quality content. Sometimes I share my posts on facebook but at most they get a few likes. The same happens when I share my art photos from my art page. On twitter one or few  of my videos had nearly a hundred views but no likes or retweets.
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@heruvim1978 ·
Maybe a tag like #TheHiveIsRising or similar, to use simultaneously on all platforms in a concentrated campaign, Twitter, Insta, Facebook, all of them. With a Zealy contest even...
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@hillstobens ·
Curation should be based on value. 
Quality is value, likewise attractiveness. 
But even at curating the attractive ones, quality should be seriously considered to meet a certain standard. 
Thanks for seeking my opinion.
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@ivanc ·
Yeah. I think value is perceived by everyone differently.. I post my music on here and usually say a little blurb, but not too much.. The words are in the Songs an if I tell you what its about, I ruin it for you. Its up to the listener to decide if they like it or not and maybe give it a thumbs up.. I have been asked before to say more about my posts, but if the person actually listened to the Song, they probably would have abstained from the criticism. Traffic, yes is still an issue.. There must be a way for Hive to get the word out.. I have been telling normies about Hive for Years now.. They've never heard of it. I joined before "the fork", so I've been around a while now. Hive is one of our best chances to have a parallel ecosystem to the tirany that is heading our way.. 
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@joythewanderer · (edited)
$0.18
I think the traffic/user count on hive is comparable as transaction volume of other coins on popular dex/cex, or wallets/activity on other chain, or even CT activities. 
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@kriszrokk ·
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Traffic: Posting on traditional SM while including the link to say the "original" piece of content here on Hive does attract new users. 1. Having a generous follower base on traditional SM obviously helps. 2. Once a potential new user lands on Hive the struggle of signing up and understanding the platform (which is far from being intuitive) begins. Using Google Analytics and other measurement tools to reward accounts for their onboarding efforts (success) and for generating traffic is definitely a good idea.

Quality content: That's a highly debatable topic. Is a post with what you had for breakfast with five emojis underneath a quality post? And yet some of these generate two digit rewards here on Hive; a similar trend we see on Insta or Tik Tok. I think communities are a good option to tackle the concept of quality content. The initiative Leo started to reward authors who win contests within communities provides an interesting guideline and filter for future projects.

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@kryptik ·
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> *Quality content will drive adoption and retention because potential users who come to Hive will see amazingly written, superbly formatted, and outstandingly visually supported content, and they will want to stay.

You missed an asterisk here lol. Just sayin'. 

> Quality is subjective, and if a shitty post by my standards shouldn't get curated and yet it brought 3 new users, well then perhaps I should think about expanding my standards.

That's always been a problem, subjectivity.

I think some shit posts are quality. I mean they bring me more joy than shady investment advice. Some days I log in and this place is a chore for sure. Others I love it.
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@magnacarta ·
In professional wrestling, two kinds of wrestlers are necessary for its survival: babyfaces and heels.  Babyfaces are the good guys, the heroes.  A really good babyface can sell out an arena.  Heels, on the other hand, are the bad guys, the villains.  A really good heel can generate so much buzz around an event that TV ratings or par-per-view numbers are off the charts.

So you can imagine when the top babyface and the top heel face off at the main event.  Box office gold, high ratings, and insane PPV purchases even at outrageous prices.

The babyface needs the heel as much as the heel needs the babyface-- and the organization needs them both.

This is what came to mind as I read your post about paradigms for curation.  What most people think about for curation-- rewarding quality content--  is the babyface.  Rewarding for boosting traffic from the outside (even if its shitposts), is the heel.  If we can find a way to maximize rewards for both, then we have something.

Just as both top babyfaces and top heels put fannies in the seats, we need to get more eyeballs on the content we generate.  That doesn't happen if people don't show up.  We could have J. K. Rowling and Stephen King posting content here, but it won't matter if only the 8 of us here check it out.

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@mdasein ·
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@mikezillo ·
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Bringing traffic to Hive would be a new great variable for curation! 
I am trying to setup a small curation trails that would also take that into consideration. I am not alone in doing that and I hope I will be able to present you some first practical ideas about how we would like to put it onto the ground to make it work and support "border contents" & "traffic contents"
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@miniature-tiger ·
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I think that Hive should consider its niche.

Hive isn't in competition with the big social media sites, like twitter. The rewards pool isn't large enough to be a consideration for celebrities, nor influencers. They can monetise their followings to a much greater extent on twitter / instagram / youtube etc. And mass adoption on such sites follows celebrities.

Hive instead tends to compete with long-form content on blogs / Medium etc. But even here committed bloggers have greater potential for earning by setting up their own site. 

So, for me at least, the premise of "come to Hive to earn money for quality content" doesn't hold water. Mainstream content producers can earn much more elsewhere. Better long-form content will always be elsewhere.

What Hive does very well is build communities. It's more like reddit, or even discord, in that respect. For me, that should be the focus.

As such, I think that requiring "quality content" actually reduces the attractiveness of Hive. Most people out there are more likely to "comment" than "post" and requiring longer-form quality content raises the bar to a high level which people are unwilling to make. And since the majority of content rewards are reserved for posts, this turns away the majority of potential users.

If the niche is to be more like reddit and the goal is mass adoption, then the focus should be on growing communities and rewarding content that generates discussion and engagement. I would think it's worth an experiment where communities focus on short-form posts (with a specific tag) and curation guilds drive rewards to those communities that are growing and to those accounts that generate discussion within those communities.
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@anomadsoul ·
There is so much intel and info in this comment I don't know where to start, so I'll start shilly to then, depending on your response, I will continue on.

>  I would think it's worth an experiment where communities focus on short-form posts (with a specific tag) and curation guilds drive rewards to those communities that are growing and to those accounts that generate discussion within those communities.

Have you seen this?

![](https://images.ecency.com/DQmSVqTQA8gmS29TetTaw3fKntobPi8xnf1PQYgnzTJK855/image.png)

https://leofinance.io/communities/hive-124452

Each community has its own threads section. The backend work was a pain in the ass, but the frontend now shows *community discussions* in the form of Threads.
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@miniature-tiger ·
Yes, I think this is the right direction. Although it still feels like a competitor for twitter rather than reddit / discord.

The latter tend to have communities as the driving force. Then the threads (community discussions) would be one tool that the community can use, along with their own token for rewards etc.

Thinking along the lines of discord, I think it could be easier to sign up communities who bring users with them than sign up users individually. 

But the offering for the community needs to be strong. All the tools you need to run a web3 style community but simple user experience. 

This probably means native tokens and NFTs, rather than relying on hive-engine. 

It may even be cleaner as a fork of hive entirely, to separate from the long-form approach, although these things are very hard to get off the ground.
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@notconvinced ·
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Many communities say they want fresh content that's not already written about online. This is the problem, because people search the internet for answers to their questions, whether it be how to do something or about a travel destination. We need to supply answers to those questions and get that content high up in the search results of search engines. 

We need to compete with platforms that supply those answers, like YouTube if we want to become valid. Posting a photo album of your vacation with little useful information for your readers is not doing that. I don't know you, so your family trip is not of interest to me. Tell me something to help me make a decision to visit the same destination or not.

That's what will bring people here. On top of that it's free advertising that's way more effective than any ad you pay to run on the big web2 platforms.
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@pepetoken ·
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Quality may not be enough #fun. Think threads makes things more fun. @pepetoken came here for the #memes. Where quality may of a different kin(d) or perspective. Yes to moar traffic. But also yes to the niche, the groups nad different ideas and communities are deventralized to just themselves to various degrees that are simply not of mainstream. Yet do well on their own with the right backing and support of some that have found their way with Hive, some from pre-Hive (steem) days.
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@pokermaria ·
$0.35
interesting :) just few thoughts, my opinion, as a relatively new user.

in the end, i will reach the quality... generally, i don't think that's the solution, problem at any level regarding traffic and grow.

Onboarding new people: I don't see any systematic effort for that. I don't see targeting certain groups through social media influencers. (guys who have millions of followers on big tech platforms)

I just tried it on twitch, pokerforums. I got banned so many times, i run out from emails... but that's not the point. The reactions I got: the first is the scam, seeing the frontend website names, surprisingly plenty asked back: is it a pornsite??? :) even the ones, that let me explain what Hive is, mostly denied to check out, as they didn't want to believe something like this exist. In the end, i even tried on web2 alternative soc media platforms, where the welcome was a bit better (they generally hate big tech), plenty said, would be nice if something like this really exist... but still almost none of them checked it out, tried. Very few. So how to indtroduce it to people who are not in crypto? They simply won't come here because you link a quality post to them, even if it's in their interests. (i still think the best way is spend some funds for ads through soc media influencers, by targeting certain groups) For example, during the last half+ year, I haven't seen a single sponsorship for a twitch, youtube streamer with millions of followers, who introduce, promote Hive to their audiance.

Just out of curiousity, I checked out the frontend websites value, traffic in the free apps. The result is disappointing. Even the the peakd.com worth less than cardschat.com, what is just a pokerforum, one from the dozens...

The traffic: the total visit just double of the cardschat. bounce rate is: 43% (i suppose, that's not potential newbies, but only those who come once a day, click to claim rewards, and leave) So somewhere, i understand the whales.

The most shocking was this one:
![](https://images.ecency.com/DQmWzkHvQMSnw6ds6E3o8THFF5QiGBTUd9pEXekerSowbDn/female_male.jpg)



I saw, there are much less women, but I didn't think the difference is this much. (i dont know how reliable are these data.) Facebook has (45-55%)

We should be the ones who are more actively use it, if its main direction is the social media. It shows me, Hive fails to reach potential active user groups, generally, not just gender based.

The destructive Discord. This is only the whales fault! If you keep hanging on another soc media, even freely advertise it, encourage people to use that, instead of use Hive, commenting, chatting here, then not much to wait from it...

Auto-votes, 'curation'. Until these 2 things exist, in my opinion, it is impossible to significantly grow. Somewhere I understand curation, especially the ones, like ecency, ocd, they probably really read the posts what they upvote, not a pure stake based, like all the rest (at least, so far i couldnt find any other). All stake based owned by whales (or receive huge delegations from whales). So they have kinda huge hypocracy regarding this. They upvote crap, if the content creator delegates some HP or stake their 2nd layer token. Anyway, it's fine, then just stop the downvotes totally. Everybody see it, and it drives away plenty people. (In the last half year, I saw, plenty downvotes happened because of personal disagreement regarding a given topic, nothing to do with quality or rules, only personal opinion by whales. It is very destructive.) The auto-votes also a thing what useful for whales, bigger accounts, mainly. So if they are so lazy or they don't have time for it, that they can't even spend a minute to vote posts, when will they read any, select the quality ones or comment... :) )

The destructive NFT games. I personally, would ban them all. Read back so many negative stories, people got scammed by those MLM projects, as in core, they are nothing else, just a new way for MLM. 95%+ leave after that. It's again a whale thing. And again, the hypocrisy is incredible! I read posts, relatively interesting, good ones, what got downvoted because of not highlighting sources for 'fair use' cases. Many of the downvoters obviously have no clue about regarding law, just play the king. However, they are perfectly fine, even upvote directly, indirectly through curation accounts the MLM games, without any kind of doubt, or a must be there disclaimer, something like that: incredibly dangerous high risk thing. No, instead of that promote all the similar posts, projects, what earlier or later will drive away more and more people... (I can't understand how can be fine to promote scams, where most people will lose money, but against all the 'rules', if you forgot to post a source, even worse, when you don't need at all, and the downvoter people just made it up in their mind, that you would had to.)

so it's kinda hard to talk about quality here... if you can write a quality post about an MLM project, then it's fine... if you write a quality post about anything else generally, but someone just don't like it, have personal issue and/or different opinion/interest, they just downvote... and yes, it is not extremely common, but this is the 2 ends, and it is really not okay in core, if you want to talk about quality, rewarding quality posts, as those quality MLM promotions, definitely will bring more people for first time, then (just matter of time) the reactions by new users, consequences of that 'quality post' will drive away even more...

and of course, people see, what certain topics get upvotes, so they write more about them, and indirectly make more damage to the hole Hive by chasing the rewards. And the MLM-NFT games are a huge % of those. whose fault is that? :) and anyway, the only couple of times i got upvoted by whales, who really read my post happened, when i posted about those NFT games. That was a test from my side, that it really works like this or not...
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@atma.love ·
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@poshthreads ·
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@shawnnft ·
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i haven't been here that long but i just read what whatsup said :P and i think I will agree with what he said. it's difficult to get new people here i dont think writing a post will make people come here and even if they do how long will they be here. ive tried getting friends to join and they gave up prretty quick so i think its more than just a curation problem . we need to look at the roots
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@atma.love ·
See this thread too
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@shawnnft ·
you bring up a good point hope u can push out your solution or someone can provide a solution to this clear issue or things just stay as is because nobody wants to change 
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@fieryfootprints ·
I agree. I invited one of my friends to join hive. He only stayed here for about a month. Few times I tried to convince him to start writing posts but he did not listen. He only relied on curation.
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@shawnnft ·
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O.O how did you know i commented here lol u see me everywhere. Exactly it's difficult to start on hive unless u join contests first and build up from there as there won't be much support. it seems like it incentives u to join more circles and then u will do well i guess so in a way make more friends?
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@shortsegments ·
First, I like the idea of bringing up posts which direct traffics as worthy of rewards. I think it is indeed important for growth for people to click those links and comeback to Leofinance and Hive. Curation is tricky but important and efforts to improve it on Leofinance seem popular. I think especially amongst the newer members with small networks. 
 I think Leofinance has been talking about rewarding Leopower to Leopower stakers and potentially those whose posts generate traffic. I think this is a good idea. 


 Second, the comments section brought up other points impeding Hives growth, mainly downvotes. Hive has reputation for having a downvote culture and this on top of the steep learning curve is a factor, I think, in the lack of growth. 

 Personally I wish Dan Larimer was more active here to help guide Hive in a more of a reward what you like and ignore what you don’t like mentality, and reduce or redirect resources from downvotes to finding new accounts, curating them, providing positive feedback and gentle guidance.

 Censorship via removing rewards or removing reputation and rendering peoples posts invisible are called everything except what they look like, which is censorship. If you get 200 plus votes, but a whale downvotes your rewards to zero you can’t make it to trending and your voice is effectively silenced. 

On a more sensitive note; When Hive split off Steemit, I thought Steemit would become a ghost town. But it didn’t and relatively large communities stayed there. 
I think it suggests that not everyone feared the authoritarian behavior of the new leadership as much as they feared the authoritarian behavior of the old leadership, not all, but  some of the people who moved to Hive were not missed on Steemit. 

I realize these are sensitive subjects, but it’s important to realize Hive isn’t a perfect place, it has issues restricting its growth.  I am proposing one idea as part of a solution, but not as a magic bullet. Because Hive issues are multi factorial and because reputations are hard to change. But important first steps are one you have suggested :to stop talking to the choir about the choir, tell  people outside the community. And stop chasing away new members, and stop  chasing away old members  if real growth  is the goal. 

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@steemflow ·
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If we wont get an internal engagement and support on own content, then how it help to get traffic from outside? 

The curation on #Hive has becomes so generic, be it #curangel #ocdb or others.  Being a curator myself of a small community. I can easily figure out which post going to get upvotes from the top guilds and whales. On daily basis 90% of them stands true. 

As far as quality content matters, taking an example of my own work. I am writing a series on a particular topic, after doing self investigation. Already published 3 part of it, but not once got any feedback except from our own curation team. Neither from the community where i published nor from any other member. Does that mean, my content is bad or not upto the standard.? 
If i did something wrong in Part 1, or Part 2 or Part 3 it needs to be highlighted for further improvement. Who going to judge if not the community. Any outsider will come ahead to let our mistakes know?. 
Over 6 years of stay, I noticed those who remain active on discord get good support. Engaging on #Hive have nothing to do. It asks for spending more time on Discord to get the users or guilds attention? 

So shall we asks users to remain active on #Hive or #discord. Not everybody has so much time to stay 24*7 active.
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@steevc ·
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I would agree that it is not always the 'best' posts that make the most. The trending page tends to feature the same few people all the time. Some can guarantee to make $50+ on every post for whatever reasons. They may be 'OGs' with lots of connections or be doing work that is seen as good for Hive such as development or marketing. I benefit somewhat from this as I have got to know a lot of people and am on some curation trails.

If you look at the views (on peakd) and/or comments on some of the top posts you may surmise that not many are actually seeing them. It seems rare for a post to get over 1000 views. I heard about some old ones that did recently, but I assume that is because they got linked from some popular forum/reddit/whatever. It did not result in more comments, so those seeing them did not have Hive accounts.

The big curation accounts have massive influence and that may not be a good thing. One reason I want to see a lot more users is that it would spread the votes more. My voting is mostly manual. I delegate to some smaller curation account and have limited automatic voting. I want to target where my votes go.

We have some talented artists and musicians on Hive, but some just get the odd dollar for their efforts. If we want to get more interest in those areas then it may help if they got more support. They are likely to spread the word. The fact is that few will read a 2000 word blog post that may be 'worthy' as it's about the economics of Hive, but people may play a fun song to their friends.

Opinions vary on what has value. Elsewhere online a meme can get millions of views, but they you can argue over who created it. I do not think it's good for Hive if a short post that is popular and earns a few dollars from general support then gets downvoted for being 'low value'. We need to beware of abuse, but Hive needs to be a friendly place where people do not feel scared to post. I have heard plenty say it is hostile even if it may not appear so to some of us.
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@atma.love ·
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See also this thread https://ecency.com/ocd/@anomadsoul/the-horrendous-failure-of-curating-quality-content#@trostparadox/re-acidyo-rytxtp
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@steevc ·
It's not as simple as some people think and the current system mostly works. Those who have an issue with it tend to make a lot of noise. The fact that we can give less DVs than upvotes each day limits the damage.
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@tobetada ·
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I mean to be honest, I feel like it's working overall so much better than 2-3 years ago. It's not perfect by any means, but subjectively speaking I feel it's not bad. Many new users get some smaller to decent sized votes and often those payouts actually end up making a difference to them as they might come from countries where a couple of cents a day is a big deal. Curators are mainly here because people don't want to vote themselves and/or want to make passive income on their stake and I reckon it's really not easy to read through all the stuff and pick "quality" content. so kudos to you! I have often felt that having the option of displaying posts by their number of votes instead of their payout rewards would really make it easier to spot actually engaging posts. Peakd has "most viewed posts", but getting a "most votes" filter would be better imo @peakd 
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@demotruk · (edited)
>It's not perfect by any means, but subjectively speaking I feel it's not bad.

We just hit an all time low in the number of users who joined and posted within 30 days in June.

https://images.d.buzz/dbuzz-image-1691101181643.png

We have gotten better at policing the raw exploitation of the reward pool (a comparison to steemit.com shows this plainly), but our traffic and rate of new joiners is flatlining.
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@tobetada ·
I was referring to the practice of curation and upvotes in general. You will notice a correlation of users and price of Hive (it's for every chain like this). It will pick up when price goes up and v.v.; I am very certain that price > users and not users > price. But we still obviously have to keep building here if we want more adoption
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@trostparadox ·
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> Odds are, no curation guild in the history of Hive will actively touch the second [(one-picture, two-paragraph)] post

And, odds are that if that one-picture two-paragraph post did get a few big upvotes, it would also draw one or two big downvotes (to “protect” the rewards pool from that “over rewarded” post). In fact, I would not be surprised if the post ended up downvoted to zero, by one or two whale accounts. 

The ability for a single whale account to unilaterally nuke other accounts (with impunity) is a significant problem desperately needing some reform, imho. 

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@acidyo ·
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Why is this brought up so often when it so rarely happens, though? Especially that it gets zero'd out.
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@notconvinced ·
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It happens enough that not only are current users intimidated, but keeps users away from the platform because of this feature. I've used many other blockchain platforms and because of Hive's reputation they'll never sign up. More people know about Hive than is thought and they'll never come, because unequally weighted downvotes are equated with censorship.

Rationalize all you want, it's how it's viewed and that's what matters. The masses aren't going to blog, so if you want them to come, standards must be lowered and whales must settle for smaller votes as 'crap' content earns and those users build stake.

It's that or stagnation and the proof is that Hive's userbase is now smaller than ever...
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@shortsegments ·
Please look at my blog. You will see several posts with over 200 upvotes and zero rewards. 
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@shortsegments ·
Please look at my blog. You will find several posts with over 200 upvotes, but purposely zeroed out rewards. 
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@trostparadox ·
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Because it’s a systemic problem. The system itself has a problem.

Whether or not the abuse is rare is not the issue. The fact that the system allows such abuse *with impunity* is the problem. 

The fact that it is brought up so often should, in and of itself, be a strong indicator to those who have the power to initiate change that some serious consideration is warranted. 

Some fairly straightforward countermeasures would go a long way toward minimizing the threat. 

One simple improvement would be making DV power a witness parameter, similar to HBD APY.

Another would be to allow free “Counter DVs” that are less powerful than DVs, but free, and can thus be used by “the community” to proactively counter DV abuse. 
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@anomadsoul ·
Yes, but if there were other metrics to measure *what deserves rewards* apart from Quality and engagement in the post, then I think the reward pool distribution measures - those that we support or we don't - would perhaps change and adapt to the new *common agreement*.

Who cares if it's a dog picture and three lines of text, if the dog is the most famous canine on Reddit and it brings 47 redditors to check the post out on hive?
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@shortsegments ·
Good point. This is social media and posts which stimulate people to be social and join your platform are I think an important part of growth. 
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@trostparadox ·
> Yes, but if there were other metrics to measure what deserves rewards apart from Quality and engagement in the post, then I think the reward pool distribution measures - those that we support or we don't - would perhaps change and adapt to the new common agreement.

I absolutely agree with this. However, even if such metrics existed, under the current protocols, one whale account can still wreak havoc, *with impunity*. The “with impunity” part is the problem. There are no robust defenses against such abuse. 
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@bitcoinflood ·
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That's actully a scary factor and kind of brings up a big negative of hive and curation trails/whales. It effectivly allows a single person or a collective group of a few people that have massive stake to mute or destroy someone on here.  That's not such a decentralized thing and I know it's caused some issues in the past.   How we solve that I'm unsure unless there was some type of weighted system maybe on whales where after 100k hive it starts to have a degraded vote of 90% of the power and continue to go down from there. I haven't got a clue but that was the first thing that came to mind.
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@atma.love ·
See this thread https://ecency.com/ocd/@anomadsoul/the-horrendous-failure-of-curating-quality-content#@trostparadox/re-acidyo-rytxtp
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@shortsegments ·
Agree that the current downvoting group structure centralizes power to silence people in the hands of a few people. 
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@trostparadox · (edited)
> How we solve that I'm unsure unless there was some type of weighted system maybe on whales where after 100k hive it starts to have a degraded vote of 90% of the power and continue to go down from there.

Limiting whale accounts like that will just cause whales to spread their stake over multiple accounts, completely defeating the limitation.

See [my other comments](https://peakd.com/ocd/@trostparadox/re-acidyo-ryu6nj) to this post for a couple of my latest suggestions.
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@ura-soul · (edited)
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As others have pointed out, there is no central repository for front end analytics, which means that there is no way to accurately determine the number of views a post achieves network wide that come from outside of Hive. Sites could voluntarily forward their statistics, but confirming their accuracy would not be straightforward. Additionally, do we really want to trust Google with having a hand in the distribution of the Hive rewards pool? (Google Analytics is the industry standard currently). 

There are open source analytics systems that could be used, but they could also be abused.

I think monitoring the onboarding and activity of new users is a more reliable approach to tracking marketing success of different users and apps - but that's also not straightforward and the more rewards can be gained by it, the more effort will go into gaming it.

As others have also kind of pointed out - since quality is entirely subjective, we end up with the content being rewarded that the community likes. Since it is all stake weighted, those with more stake shape the narrative and visibility of posts on the network overall. Despite claims like 'no-one looks at the homepage' (totally untrue), the reality is that rewarding posts well does make them more visible in many ways.. and this is a genius idea.

There are several common problems I can see that result in missed growth/SEO/marketing optimisation opportunities for posts and lists on Hive:

- What one person may personally like is not necessarily what the rest of the world likes. So truly quality curation that drives traffic will take into account current trends and the posts that drive traffic. Doing this requires having an eagle eye on SEO trends and social media stats from Web 2 sites. I am not aware of any curators that have even spoken about this on chain.

- As you pointed out, posts that go viral on web 2 are often quite simplistic and/or they come from 'big channels' - meaning they are produced by content creators that have large followings and decent production budgets/skill. Neither of these categories are well respected on Hive. Simple posts are likely overlooked for being too 'lazy' or they are downvoted for being 'exploitative' if they get upvoted. The only channels I am aware of that post 'big channel' content on Hive are @tdvtv and @cast.garden - who either syndicate content on behalf of 'big channel' users or actually have those users using their site. These guys take the biggest downvotes currently - EVEN WHEN THEY SET THE POSTS TO BURN THE REWARDS! Just go and look at the history of Vigilante.TV and Cast Garden (or monitor the [untrending report](https://hivealive.io/untrending) that tracks downvotes to see for yourself). So clearly, the bigger curators are missing big opportunities from a content optimisation perspective. It's true that there are counter arguments, such as that the content creators don't often engage the community here - but genuinely, having listened to the few of them that have commented on this (james corbett, max igan, pressfortruth etc.), they have all specifically said that they are put off from using Hive due to all the downvotes. Even after the situation is explained to them they still choose to stick to other networks as it is a matter of principle for them. Something to consider.

In short, there is no agreed upon marketing strategy and little appreciation of SEO or viral marketing among the curators from what I can tell. This is all reinforced by the lack of real world data to clarify what is really going on to the curators.

This seems to be an area where centralisation actually offers an answer, in that front ends which combine analysis of the real world data they collect from web 2, tied in to referring hive accounts, stand a chance of curating the right content to grow the network (and their own site). If they can also mitigate any downvotes they might attract in the process, then they are probably going to grow more than other Hive UIs.. maybe that's the best we can do for now. 
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@whatsup ·
$1.68
There are no popular social media sites with so many hidden rules, so many wannabe moderators telling you what, when and how often you can post, and name calling and intimidating it's users.

Let's also remember that people who don't talk a lot are also part of the community, and have watched the rules, evolve, change, be denied, be enforced selectively, etc.

In order for any kind of mass adoption you need fun, or even a gimmick, the reward pool, and paid posts was perfect for gaining adoption, but many large accounts decided inflation was too high, not enough users, etc, so instead of letting it al balance out and correct the whales decided that the reward pool wasn't meant to promote, but rather is eroding their stake and liquidating their value.

I've been here since 8/2016 - I watched thousands come and go, too many rules, downvoted to death, said something mean to a whale, bored.. etc.

I guess with a busy job, and the 7 year itch, I kind of think well if we haven't grown by now.. will we?  Especially when the whales hate the blogging side of the platform.

There is no such thing in social media as quality, it's about engagement and networking, so the idea that each post should be judged according to a subjective benchmark, is not a winning strategy.
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@demotruk ·
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>There are no popular social media sites with so many hidden rules, so many wannabe moderators telling you what, when and how often you can post, and name calling and intimidating it's users.

I don't mean to contradict or undermine your point, but you must not have spent much time on Reddit
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@malopie ·
Who knows reddit outside the U.S?

I've been to reddit and I've hated everything about it. 
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@whatsup ·
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The early days of reddit were not like that, they kicked in once they had a platform.  

And also, you are right, I don't spend time on Reddit
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@erh.germany ·
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> There is no such thing in social media as quality, it's about engagement and networking

Good point, I agree. The big player role model platforms have never specified what a post should look like, so they have neither a Prussian understanding of work (effort, sweat and diligence) nor an artistic high-quality one (good design etc.) communicated. YouTube & Co never did, they didn't tell video content producers that their ten minutes were lousy because filmed with shaky camera or create the billionth cat video. 
Every successful media platform that has grown up has in no way dictated or limited the "how" or "what" of content, but merely set the space. This only started when the channels became state-supporting media. Hive is, of course, parsecs away from that.
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@mdasein ·
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@pharesim ·
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While you're free to publish whatever you want on YouTube and other platforms, their algorithms filter out low quality. 
There are no rules what to publish here either. We don't have algorithms that decide what others get to see, it's all done by humans here. But I don't see that much of a difference as you're trying to imply. 
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@notconvinced ·
Well put, I couldn't have said it better myself, except; If the stake were more evenly distributed, the whales won't stay whales and they can't have that. Growth isn't really what's on their minds.
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@whatsup ·
Most sites encourage engagement, we have one of our few active large stakeholders telling people to stop posting or to post less often on posts making maybe $1.  I just roll my eyes.
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@steemflow ·
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> Let's also remember that people who don't talk a lot are also part of the community, 

Those who keep doing chit-chat on discord are the one who benefitted more on Hive. 
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@whatsup ·
Agree
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@yeckingo1 ·
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Since I am not one to write quality content, I will summarize it in a question: who would attract more traffic to Hive, Kim Kardashian or Annie Ernaux (Nobel Prize for Literature)?
Some are completely wrong if they want to grow Hive but that doesn't matter because the rules are clear. Send who has more HP!
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