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Hardfork 24 update: testnets and hivemind progress
Below is a quick summary of the Hive core work done by the BlockTrades team last week.

# Hived testing and bug fixes

Status: Hived is feature complete and is undergoing testnet testing by the witnesses. So far, I think the testing is going very well.

Earlier in the week, testnet-based testing discovered a bug in the airdrop code for hardfork 24, which was fixed here:
https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hive/-/merge_requests/106/diffs 

And this weekend, testnet testing uncovered another bug in this code, which was fixed today:
https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hive/-/merge_requests/107/diffs 

There are no currently known issues with hived that should affect the hardfork date.

# Hivemind progress

Most of our work this week continues to be focused on hivemind testing and fixes. 

We have quite a large number of programmers working on hivemind now, and it really shows in the number of bugs that were identified and fixed last week. Here’s a list of fixes that were merged into the gitlab repo last week (there was too much work to easily summarize, but the interested reader can follow the links). A few were features rather than bug fixes, so I added comments beside those.
https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hivemind/-/merge_requests/86/diffs 
https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hivemind/-/merge_requests/89
https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hivemind/-/merge_requests/91 (add auto-http-server-port cli option)
https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hivemind/-/merge_requests/92 (add prometheus monitoring)
https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hivemind/-/merge_requests/93 
https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hivemind/-/merge_requests/94 
https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hivemind/-/merge_requests/95 
https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hivemind/-/merge_requests/96 
https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hivemind/-/merge_requests/97 
https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hivemind/-/merge_requests/99 
https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hivemind/-/merge_requests/100 
https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hivemind/-/merge_requests/101
https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hivemind/-/merge_requests/102 
https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hivemind/-/merge_requests/104 
https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hivemind/-/merge_requests/105 

## Hivemind initial sync testing

We also ran “hivemind sync” tests this week. When hivemind is started for the first time on a server, it must first load and organize all the blockchain data into its internal database format. After that, it enters a “live” sync mode where it adds new blocks as they are produced. 

In our tests, the initial sync process took just under 4 days (there’s a lot of data in the Hive blockchain). This was our first successful sync of the entire blockchain using the new Eclipse version of hivemind, so it’s a significant milestone for our work on Eclipse.

Below is the database space consumed by Eclipse hivemind tables after a full sync:
```
       table_name        |   total    |   index    |   toast    |   table    
-------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------
 hive_votes              | 212 GB     | 132 GB     | 8192 bytes | 80 GB
 hive_posts              | 103 GB     | 60 GB      | 8192 bytes | 43 GB
 hive_post_data          | 75 GB      | 1882 MB    | 20 GB      | 53 GB
 hive_permlink_data      | 20 GB      | 12 GB      |            | 8616 MB
 hive_follows            | 19 GB      | 12 GB      |            | 6805 MB
 hive_blocks             | 9993 MB    | 4033 MB    |            | 5961 MB
 hive_post_tags          | 8233 MB    | 5505 MB    |            | 2728 MB
 hive_feed_cache         | 2514 MB    | 1716 MB    |            | 798 MB
 hive_accounts           | 779 MB     | 352 MB     | 1216 kB    | 425 MB
 hive_tag_data           | 140 MB     | 80 MB      |            | 61 MB
 following_counts        | 59 MB      | 0 bytes    |            | 59 MB
 follower_counts         | 59 MB      | 0 bytes    |            | 59 MB
 hive_category_data      | 42 MB      | 24 MB      |            | 18 MB
 hive_payments           | 31 MB      | 19 MB      |            | 12 MB
 hive_reblogs            | 26 MB      | 18 MB      |            | 8384 kB
 hive_subscriptions      | 17 MB      | 11 MB      |            | 6768 kB
 hive_notifs             | 8176 kB    | 5072 kB    | 8192 bytes | 3096 kB
 hive_communities        | 4416 kB    | 1632 kB    | 72 kB      | 2712 kB
 hive_roles              | 1560 kB    | 912 kB     |            | 648 kB
```

# Plans for upcoming week

The witnesses are continuing to do testnet-based tests of hived. That will likely be completed this week.   

Our team will continue with fixes to hivemind. Most recently, we realized that we need to implement the reputation code directly inside hivemind now. This is just a reimplementation of the existing algorithm, not a rewrite, which would be a much longer task.

Ideally, we’ll complete hivemind work this week, which would allow us to keep the Sept 16th hardfork date. If not, we’ll likely push the hardfork date to the 22nd.
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@abdulmananakmal · 
Is there any plan or date for SmT ? @blocktrades
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@blocktrades · 
We plan to look at the various options for tokens after we complete the current hardfork.
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@eirik · 
Awesome!
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@alucian · 
Very good work. So i am happy to see you do not vote yourself. Very Nice. Rep+

I hope all will going good for the development team. My best wishes.
Salve
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@amirl · 
Great work.
Can you refer to the CI used?
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@blocktrades · 
We use the CI built into gitlab. Here's some info about it: https://hive.blog/hive-139531/@blocktrades/updates-on-automated-build-and-test-solution-for-hive-s-core-blockchain-code-hived
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@ammar30 · 
I’m so confused there’s a hive hard fork and why?
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@blocktrades · 
You can find out more about the upcoming hardfork here: https://hive.blog/@hiveio
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@ammonite · 
I find it interesting that the votes take up more data than the posts themselves. I suppose there must be so much more going on under the surface than is visible on the frontend. Happy to see things going so well for the 16th.
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@blocktrades · (edited)
I agree it's a bit counter-intuitive. But one thing to note is that the post title/body/etc is actually stored in hive_post_data, hive_posts contains meta-data. So you need to add up those two table (and hive_permlink_data too, for that matter) to get a better idea of space consumed by posts (in which case, you get a size similar to the votes). 

The other point, of course, is that there are a lot of votes cast. And there's a lot of indexes associated with voting.
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@ammonite · 
Thank you for taking the time to reply and in such detail.
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@teknow · 
Hey man one thing I've wondered about Blockchain is.. the ACTUAL CONTENT. Is HIVE content stored on AWS servers?

I remember steemit content was and that made me think.. doesn't that nullify any claim of DECENTRALISED and IMMUTABILITY?

Or at the least exist as "not truly outside of the mainstream" reach and all still under the control of technocrats?
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@antisocialist · 
Can we have a 'poll the community' proposal that costs on the order of 1hbd?
Maybe with both up and down votes counted within the same proposal?
Downvotes to give the apathetic one less reason not to vote.
Counting the votes by each, and not weight, to gauge popularity within the community? 
Weight could be shown as normal.
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@blocktrades ·
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The HBD idea is interesting, but it's still just as game-able by sybil attacks, assuming the voter is willing to fund his sockpuppet accounts for their votes. And that probably leads to a worse voting system, since it seems more likely to me that voters who are paying to vote with sockpuppets would be more likely to do so in order to generate a personal return.

For DHF expenditures, I think it makes sense that the votes are stake-weighted, since the more stake you have, the more you have to win or lose based on the results, and stakeholders are in some sense "funding" everything else by being willing to hold Hive tokens instead of selling them, which drives their value.

Despite that, I don't think stake-weighted decision-making has to be the "only-game-in-town" on Hive. The second layer reputation app I plan to create, for example, will be totally divorced from stake-weighted voting. The only connection to the first layer in this app will be for resource credits to create transactions.
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@antisocialist · 
I was aiming more for a proposal cost of 1hbd to poll the community.

Stake weighted voting is the game we are playing here, that makes sense, to me, in a governance situation.
Presuming the stake doesn't act against its own best interests.

I was just wanting the ui to show the number of up/down votes on the proposal to easier gauge community support, the stake weighted portion could remain the same.

Perhaps the proposal feature isn't the best venue, but neither have the apps filled the role due to nobody seeing them, and most of us not wanting one more app to keep up with.

Maybe a poll feature should be added to the drop down menu where proposals are now?
This lets everybody see them, if they look.
At 1hbd to create a poll, it can provide additional revenue to the dao.

If we paid dpoll for their code and merged it to condenser, presuming its compatibility, it might help with their bent feelers at us taking over their thing?
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@chireerocks · 
@blocktrades, I am not good with **Technical Details** but good to know about the **Hivemind Progress**.

Keep updating **Hive Community** and keep making this space a **Powerful Ecosystem**.

Good wishes from my side team and stay blessed always.
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@dalz · 
Thanks!
Where is the custom JSON data in the above tables?
```hive_follows ```?
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@blocktrades · (edited)
hive_follows contains the custom_json data that is "understood" by hivemind. For arbitrary custom_json, we'll likely create one or more tables specifically for it, along with appropriate API methods to access it. 

One of the ideas that's been tossed around is making hivemind more modular. For example, it'd be nice to be able to run a hivemind that just has accounts, transaction data, and custom_json, without all the heavy "social media" tables. 

This could be extended further to where the hivemind pre-filters custom_json it's not interested in storing. This would make it easy for people to run very lightweight API servers for one or more specific apps.

Probably obvious, but this is all driving towards creating a simpler architecture for creating 2nd layer apps.
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@fable70 · 
Every time you leave a post Market react to it and HIVE get a big dump.... Shame on you!!
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@blocktrades · 
If that were actually true, you've identified a great personal strategy for buying/selling, since I post every Monday right now, until after the HF.
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@fable70 · (edited)
Now HIVE is known as a shit and dump token in market. While BTC and whole the market is on uptrend and bulish(2x-10x surges)HIVE is in a 5 months downtrend!!
Its all because of U and useless team
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@french-tech · (edited)
To connect to the private instance of Syncad Gitlab, it's necessary to create a new user? it's not possible to use a gitlab user account?

What was the spec (CPU/RAM) of the server running the initial sync process?

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<sub>

[Witness FR - Gen X - Geek 🤓 Gamer 🎮 traveler ⛩️](/@mintrawa/introducing-a-gen-x-geek-gamer-traveler-witness)
Don't miss the **Hive Power UP Day**! more info [here](/hivebuzz/@hivebuzz/pud) 
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@blocktrades · (edited)
You can access the gitlab server without creating an account: https://gitlab.syncad.com/explore 
But you need to create an account to file issues and submit merge requests.

We ran it on two systems:
* 3960X 256GB RAM 2 NVMe drives (Corsair MP600s 2TB and 1TB)
* 3800X 128GB RAM 1 NVMe drive (Sabrent Rocket 4.0 2TB) and 1 SSD (Samsung 860 EVO 1TB)

Times:
* 3960X took 3 days 20 hours
* 3800X took 4 days 13 hours
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@french-tech · 
Thanks @blocktrades, yes I know for access without creating an account, I just wanted to avoid an additional account to my already existing gitlab and github 😂

Really interesting that the tests were done with a Ryzen processor. In case you do a more detailed post later on the tests, it will be possible to have also the CPU/RAM load after synchronization (I mean in load testing)?

<hr>
<sub>

[Witness FR - Gen X - Geek 🤓 Gamer 🎮 traveler ⛩️](/@mintrawa/introducing-a-gen-x-geek-gamer-traveler-witness)
Don't miss the **Hive Power UP Day**! more info [here](/hivebuzz/@hivebuzz/pud) 
</sub><div class="pull-right"><a href="/@hive.engage">![](https://i.imgur.com/XsrNmcl.png)</a></div>
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@gitplait · 
https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@taskmaster4450le/work-from-home-how-bad-will-it-get-for-commercial-real-estate
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@happyme · 
![ObsoleteError.JPG](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/happyme/dUpVYFNe-ObsoleteError.JPG)

Can anyone tell me what this is supposed to mean and what I need to do to be able to post again?
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@hivebuzz · 
Congratulations @blocktrades! You have completed the following achievement on the Hive blockchain and have been rewarded with new badge(s) :

<table><tr><td><img src="https://images.hive.blog/60x70/http://hivebuzz.me/@blocktrades/upvotes.png?202009010640"></td><td>You distributed more than 59000 upvotes. Your next target is to reach 60000 upvotes.</td></tr>
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<sub>_You can view your badges on [your board](https://hivebuzz.me/@blocktrades) and compare yourself to others in the [Ranking](https://hivebuzz.me/ranking)_</sub>
<sub>_If you no longer want to receive notifications, reply to this comment with the word_ `STOP`</sub>



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<table><tr><td><a href="/hivebuzz/@hivebuzz/pud-countdown"><img src="https://images.hive.blog/64x128/https://i.imgur.com/805FIIt.jpg"></a></td><td><a href="/hivebuzz/@hivebuzz/pud-countdown">Hive Power Up Day - The countdown is ticking</a></td></tr><tr><td><a href="/hivebuzz/@hivebuzz/pud-202009"><img src="https://images.hive.blog/64x128/https://i.imgur.com/805FIIt.jpg"></a></td><td><a href="/hivebuzz/@hivebuzz/pud-202009">Hive Power Up Day - Let's grow together!</a></td></tr></table>
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@ibrahim51 · 
That's pretttey cool to know.
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@marcybetancourt · 
Thanks for the information
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@mysilenteyes · 
have a nice day, everyone
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@nathanmars · 
Thank you for the update
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@purrix · 
This has been hard work guys! You must be exhausted! I love the way things are going, the great work to make the platform better and better. Congratulations!
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@blocktrades · 
It has been a lot of work and I'm really looking forward to getting this release behind us, since it lays the groundwork for everything we plan to do afterwords.
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@rizasukma · 
Hello...!!!
You again cast a negative vote on my latest post. What mistakes have I made. Please answer. Why are you weakening me here. Am I not allowed to be here?
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@blocktrades · 
There's a guy called haejin who's voting with a possibly stolen account called ranchorelaxo. He randomly votes up the top trending posts with 100% strength without reading them. I have a bot setup that does a lower value downvote to counter some of his upvote, so that trending posts don't get hugely overrewarded versus other posts.

The blockchain gives out a fixed amount of rewards, based on the token price. A downvote simply redistributes the rewards away from one post to all the other posts. So downvoting an overrewarded post just means other posters get a little more for their post. People are constantly upset about how some people's posts are constantly getting more rewards than other deserving posts. Downvoting counters this trend.
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@rizasukma · 
Thank you, now I understand. I really support your program.👍👍👍👍
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@slon1980 · 
4 days of synchronization !? This is the volume!
We are waiting for a hard fork!
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@sokoloffa · 
You guys have done a great job.  I have reviewed all the links so far, everything is messed up in my head!)) I hope you will have the same productive next week.  Good luck.
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@steepup · 
Well done @blocktrade for putting up effort to give this chain of information to the whole community. Am very glad that the powering down was not shortened, and all noticed bugs fixed. Hoping to see best result after the HF. Also implementing the reputation code too is highly welcome.
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@stoodkev · 
Thanks to you and your team for the amazing work!
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@thranax · 
why did you give me a negative feedback?
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@blocktrades · 
There's a guy called haejin who's voting with a possibly stolen account called ranchorelaxo. He randomly votes up the top trending posts with 100% strength without reading them. I have a bot setup that does a lower value downvote to counter some of his upvote, so that trending posts don't get hugely overrewarded versus other posts.

The blockchain gives out a fixed amount of rewards, based on the token price. A downvote simply redistributes the rewards away from one post to all the other posts. So downvoting an overrewarded post just means other posters get a little more for their post. People are constantly upset about how some people's posts are constantly getting more rewards than other deserving posts. Downvoting counters this trend.
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@pixiepost · 
Thank you for explaining this. It makes a lot of sense. The bot you have downvoted my post and I wasn't really upset about it. I figured it was more of a balancing thing so your explanation confirmed that. 

Just wanted to give a shout out to thank you. Have an awesome day! :)
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@thranax · 
ok I did not know that, but if you see that your bot does that, it is good that you leave a comment about why you did it, not because you did not like the post, I thought you did it because you did not like the post
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@valued-customer ·
$0.03
I really appreciate the regular and detailed updates on the work in progress, and the specifics of it's completion and performance.  It's a marked and preferable change from the lamentable past regarding such improvements.

Thanks!
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@yellowdoodle · 
ok.. I joined recently and not updated on the HF...
will the 13 week power down shortened?
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@blocktrades · 
No, there's no change to powerdown time in this HF.
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@eirik · 
Will you consider shortening it?
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@yellowdoodle · 
Thank you for your prompt reply. 
I hope its talked about in the next HF
Meanwhile, keep up the good work.. I love your service for swapping coins and support you as a witness :)
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