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Community Membership Voting Bots : Power Down & Lease Comparison by buggedout

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Community Membership Voting Bots : Power Down & Lease Comparison
Most people like to be part of building something, especially when it comes to Community initiatives.  When it comes to building and supporting Communities with Membership Voting Bots I have recently been asking some potentially controversial questions about how things could be run better for the Community Members benefit and I floated the idea of the Power Down and Lease.  Of course, like many of my ideas it was a bit unpopular but in this post I am going to try to prove my point.

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[Source](http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/weblog/120/digital-cartoon-robot)</center>

In Australia we have all manner of Clubs, Associations and Societies which have a stated Not-For-Profit charter.  In my opinion these are some of the most Democratic and loved institutions in the country, run BY the members and FOR the members benefit.  Because they are Not-For-Profit they are not trying to build up a massive war chest and hoard wealth, their job is to return value to the membership and that’s why if you want to go out for a beer with a few mates, get a good meal or even host a function, you will often find that “Club Prices” (as they are frequently referred to in Australian culture) are a hell of a lot better than you’ll find in a regular bar or pub.  The Clubs put profits back into the membership by subsidising or pulling back the profit margins on things like food and drink.

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[Source](http://penrith.panthers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/membership-1.jpg)</center>

On the STEEM platform there are all manner of Voting Bots with all sort of different motives, communities and (mostly informal) governance around them.  I have noticed that the “Benevolent Dictator” model is quite common here for some of the community related bots and I personally think we can do a bit better, but I am digressing.  My personal view is that a community membership focused Voting Bot should not be looking to hoard wealth and should be focused on returning value back to the community it is supporting.  Just like the Clubs do in Australia.  That is where the Power Down and Lease idea stems from – A desire to return hoarded wealth back to the community members.

<center>![hoardedwealth.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmcsQQpy4rA9eGnsVMHjY317ZbzMgsL2ZUq9CL5Ty2uuNM/hoardedwealth.jpg)
[Source](http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1151452)</center>

To try and make my point from an economical standpoint I’ll show you a direct comparison between two scenarios and with a bit of basic math I hope it will become clear.  Let’s start out with a hypothetical situation where a community membership bot has 1000 STEEM and the person running the bot is trying to decide whether to power it up or spend it on a lease for the next 28 days (approx. 1 month).  For the purposes of the math I am going to take prices of STEEM $2 and SBD $2 but I’m pretty confident the case will hold for any price changes as markets generally find an equilibrium.  These numbers are realistic from a recent price history perspective and they also make the math easier to follow.

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<center>**Scenario 1 – Power UP**</center>

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[Source](http://lofrev.net/power-creative-logo-pictures)</center>

If we power up the 1000 STEEM for the 28 days then at today’s prices a 100% strength vote at 100% vote power has a strength of about $0.135.  If the voting bot is running at bid bot type efficiency then it can make 10 x 100% strength votes sustainably per day.  So multiple that by 10 and we get $1.35 of vote strength returned to community members per day.  Multiply again by 28 days and we get a final vote strength of $37.80 returned to community members for the 28 day period.

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<center>**Scenario 2 – Buy a Lease**</center>

<center>![lease.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmSK9UNktxwXCLfRnoRu8GfQnwq5oGJkkTowXNAeU3L7NH/lease.jpg)
[Source](https://www.accountingweb.com/aa/standards/the-wait-is-over-fasb-issues-new-guidance-on-lease-accounting)</center>

Lease rates do vary and I have seen realistic lease rates as low as 2% per month but for the purposes of this example I am going to use a more realistic current market rate of 2.5% per month.  That means that 1000 STEEM can lease approximately 40,000 STEEM POWER via a delegation for the 28 day period.  Using the same prices for STEEM and SBD and the same calculations as Scenario 1 this is a 100% vote value of $5.386, a daily vote value of $53.86 and a 28 day vote value of $1508.08

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Ok, so that looks like a big difference but keep in mind that for Scenario 2 at the end of the 28 days the 1000 STEEM is all gone.  While in Scenario 1 we still have it powered up for next month.  But is the vote value returned to community members in Scenario 2 enough to pay back the cost of the lease?  To figure that out we need to factor in Curation and the SBD price.  So for a 28 day vote value of $1508.08 there is approximately 75% post-curation divided by 2 = 565.53 SBD which at $2 SBD is actually worth $1,131.06 USD.  Now add the STEEM POWER component of this (75% divided by 2) which is $565.53 USD worth and then the remaining 25% of Curation value of $377.02 USD (some of the curation reward will return back to the bot, the rest will be dispersed amongst the community too) we get a total value of $1,131.06 + $565.53 + $377.02 = $2073.61 USD.  Now that is actually enough to buy another 1000 STEEM at $2 so for Scenario 2 we are actually in front with Scenario 2 if the community members are recycling that vote value back through the bot.

<center>![returnvalue.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmVXSEWMn924VrnpAZ65yWapoNeUjPM3VJMxRo6WqSaL9S/returnvalue.jpg)
[Source](http://www.businessinsider.com/rov-return-of-value-2011-1/?r=AU&IR=T)</center>

The additional benefit of this approach is that there isn’t any hoarding of wealth within the bot itself that could then be a major point of failure for the community member contributions.  A large amount of hoarded SP can provide temptation for whoever is holding the Master Key to decide that it’s theirs and we have seen this a number of times on the STEEM platform already.  Alternatively, if the person with the Master Key disappears due to tragedy then the community member contributions (which can become quite significant for larger/wealthier communities) can be lost that way too.  So not only are the members better off financially with Scenario 2, but they are also safeguarded from misappropriation and tragedy by not hoarding contributions in one place.

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@cyber.explorer ·
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<em>"The additional benefit of this approach is that there isn’t any hoarding of wealth within the bot itself that could then be a major point of failure for the community member contributions. "</em>

I think this is the biggest point that needs to be focused on to make a bot beneficial to everybody in the community.
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@buggedout ·
Thanks.  I think it is a really important point too.  I personally am not as concerned about ROI as I am about removing a big central point of failure.  But I think the economics actually backs the argument up too.
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I apologize for the phishing action spread by this account before, now this account has been restored and returned to its original owner, Thank you
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@ronaldoavelino ·
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I like the idea of scenario 2. I don't like the numbers because there is no margin for errors in evaluations. If the price of SBD increases, we will not be able to buy the 1000 SBD. For exemple if we have 1500 SBD and we only use 1000 SBD in scenario 2 the 500SBD will be like an insurance against fluctuations.So I propose not to distribute everything montly and  keeping a reserve.
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@buggedout ·
It is hard to predict how markets will react but I would expect that if the price of SBD continues to drop then the price of the leases would also drop in percentage terms.  So I believe it is proportional and thats why I refer to the market finding a new "equilibrium" for price changes.

Obviously there will be times the market fluctuates (it can be quite volatile) and Scenario 1 might poke it's nose in front on occassion, but in the long run I am confident that Scenario 2 will win out if lease rates remain proportional to the SBD price.
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@senstless ·
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Struggling my way through this but  have a few questions. 
1. The bot would only be getting 25% of the leased vote total of, $1508, paid all in SP. That is about 377, are you suggesting that gets powered down over thirteen weeks to buy another lease?
2. The other part where you calculate the sustainability, does it assume all community members are roll 100% of SBD and SP(powered down again)from those votes back to the bot?
3. In the power up scenario, is did the vote bot gain ~9SP for the next month from curation?

Complicated topic and I look forward to seeing what others think
 
Either way, I think I regret my SP purchase a while back, not because of the big price drop, bit I would have better off leasing or buying votes with the money vs a straight power up.
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@buggedout · (edited)
It's a tough topic but I'll try to answer your points to my understanding :-

1. The bot won't get 25% curation because others will share the curation too.  It might only be 10% but I still consider the rest to be distributed to the community since it will most likely be the community curating.  The community then supports the bot with donations, paid membership (via liquid STEEM) and/or upvotes to bot posts to raise the funds for the next lease.  I am really only asking the question "What to do with 1000 liquid STEEM" but if the bot was say 13,000 SP then it could be powered down for 1 week to get 1000 STEEM and then the power down cancelled.  That liquid STEEM could then be used for a lease.  Or it could be powered down for 2 weeks, or 4 - as required.

2.  I am assuming that both the bot and the community members have nominiated 50/50 STEEM/SBD for their posts, as is common sense for an elevated SBD price.  Yes, I am also assuming the community is supporting the bot with donations, membership dues and/or upvotes so that the distributed upvotes are being recycled.

3.  In Scenario 1 the bot will get some curation reward.  Less than 25%.  Doing the math on the numbers I presented above it'd be a value of $28.35 USD worth of SBD, plus $14.17 USD worth of SP, plus $9.45 USD worth of curation reward.  A total of $51.97 USD value.  Some of the curation reward would return to the bot, the rest would be distributed.

Another point I forgot to mention is that some people (I believe MinnowBooster were doing this) do offer discounts on lease rates for community initiatives, so that potentially stacks the numbers more in favour of Scenario 2 but individuals would not qualify for that discount.
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&#128528;  Nice Post.; &#128528;
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@ssg-community ·
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Thank you for your continued support of SteemSilverGold
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@ironshield ·
I am happy to see the new @ssg-community account.  Thank you @buggedout for lending it some SP.   The question everyone will ask you... do you own this account?  :-)

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@buggedout ·
I am operating the account on behalf of the SSG Community but I consider that it is owned by the community members of SSG.  I'm still testing and working on an intro post but all will be explained shortly.
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@thedamus ·
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Thanks @buggedout! this was very clear, easy to follow, and right on the money.
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@buggedout ·
Thanks mate.  Glad it made sense.
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