I think  we need more than a new tag , we need more tags 
We need to make small communities for each country or each culture
More catogories keeps things in place 
People who don't want more categories want their posts to be seen my many people, which is not right , more people means more posts means your post is not even being noteced 
And also it's easier to review the posts and reward the good ones

I touched on this in another comment on one of your previous post, but I don't think you saw it?

I see so many people creating offshoots of steemit.com that are still connected, like dtube et al, and I was thinking maybe you could do something like steemgallery.com as an offshoot where people can specifically post quality photography, drawing, painting etc. so there is a place for quality work. They could use the tag steemgallery as an example.

Perhaps something like this would minimize the lesser quality photos, but you're still dealing with people, and some just have rose colored glasses and can't see that what they saw, didn't actually translate to the photo they took.

I don't know enough about how all this works, but maybe you do and can take something from it.

Cryptoctopus, I think the idea of crowdsourcing is underestimated, specially on such a powerful social media blockchain as SteemIt has.  Needs to be better utilized. I'm applying the [idea to BidBots](https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@advertise/free-advertising-on-advertise)  and providing a way to bring *quality* posts to the top using a consilidated blog post of links of Steemians.  I think we need to pursue more crowdsourcing initiatives and you should spur that on for sure! great post.

How about attaching weights to the placement of tags? Like the first tag is the primary tag. From the second onwards, the tags keep getting less and less important. So whenever displaying the posts under specific tags, the algorithm along with other factors would consider the placement of that specific tag and rank the post accordingly.

This same problem continues to happen on Instagram (where I’ve shared primarily before discovering Steemit). What Instagrammers do is create “communities” around ever-evolving hashtags, meaning that tags are created, they get used and engaged with by individuals who desire to be part of that community, then if they get popular or saturated, we move on. 

The names of these tags go far beyond #photography. They can become rather esoteric like “AwaketheLight”, a project started by one talented photographer that inspired more than 14,000 posts in 8 months, most of which were high quality and in-line with the original tag. 

The flexibility of moving on is what keeps it interesting. Individuals like yourself that have major sway in this community can instigate tags that only your followers (and those who are determined to create exemplary content and get discovered) will engage with, keeping the feed high-quality until it’s time to move on. 

Anyone else have experience with tag-based communities like this in the realm of photography? Or, anyone interested in cooperating on fun, interpretive photo projects and sharing? 

I’m super new to Steemit and stoked to get a lay of the land and start sharing!

Make more contest  that motivate the  people to make quality photographs with a different theme each day, whether it is about nature, about our lives, cities, people, food, etc. so that all people regardless of the place have the opportunity to participate.

I think this paltform should show what each tag can be used for . I feel like it’s difficult to stop people from using a tag because as I know , new people or even people that have been on this paltform try to use tags that are popular so they can get awareness . I feel like the first tag should show the importance of the topic/picture .

$1000 HOLY SHIT

I think better go for a unique tag

Hmmm, my two cents in the matter is to provide restrictions to the usage of tag. 

# Option 1
It's common for a travel post to have photos in it, so the system should prohibit both tag to be used at the same time, together with food as well. 

# Options 2
Another option is to embed a photo analyzer and checks the equipment used to capture. Those that are captured using mobile may be restricted in using photography tag. This however may have an elitist undertone.

To summarize, only one of these tags can be used: (1) photography, (2) food and (3) travel

Further research and analytics maybe used to find common correlated tags, and for these cases they should also be put into a single category. Meaning, when one of them is selected, the others can no longer be chosen.

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The word #photoshoot is usally used to indicate a photo session by a professional. The problem is, it would start at zero and there are no controls available to stop people using it for 'ohmygod' #snapshots

I've already spent a few hours today telling off newbies for using the wrong tags and explained to them why it will cost them. The problem is, so many of them cannot understand English that I doubt I'm able to get through to them.

The more complex answers that need coding etc., I am not qualified to discuss. I'm just glad you are trying to find a solution.

A lot of the ideas I keep having have to do with the developer side of things, and would be a lot of work and I'm not even convinced they're great ideas :)  For now, I think the best idea that I've had is having certain tags exclusive.  For instance, if you tagged photography you wouldn't be able to tag other things, but only photographic specific tags (I saw another comment here kind of similar about specific photography tags).  That way, you wouldn't be running into a lot of broad tags covering a lot of bases.  Instead, you would have a main subject, and then other tags funneling down from there.  For travel, you could tag travel, and then other tags related to traveling (hiking, city, etc).  I've heard rumors of "communities" and maybe that's the direction that those would take eventually.

  I know having photographic specific tags would also be on the developer side, but at this point I can't think of any idea that wouldn't be on the developer side.  Hope this helps, and I'm excited to see what comes of this!  If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know!

i really need this

I love this

I think you are right.I think we should put a new label on the photo label as well as quality photos.Because professionalism is very different... @cryptoctopus

What if when uploading a picture of certain pixel size, that a program or code would detect the size, if it is larger than a specific threshold, then a specific tag could be used.. then perhaps that would limit grainy photos.

Then maybe when the photo (all of the photos in the post must meet the size requirement) is added, an extra tag like hdphotography appears, kind of like the "promote" button. 

I do agree with your assessment of the diminishing quality of the tag. So so many posts.

I am new.  I mean really new, so you can probably just skip this from here.  I don't have an answer to the primary problem, because I just don't have my head wrapped around it.

But I can see the problem with the tagging system in general.  So long as there are people here on Steemit that are desperately chasing pennies (I get that.  There are people in places where a dollar a day is a significant fraction of their livelihood) they are going to use the popular tags.  It's pretty easy to find posts that use the first 5 tags from the trending tab.

What to do for those of us that wish to follow certain tags and lines of thought or art?  I do not know.  Maybe a curation value?  A factor that is tied to the number of times you have commented/upvoted/resteemed a particular tag?  

I do know that I have learned a lot from this post and the comments on it.  As a noobie I REALLY appreciate the accumulated wisdom expressed here.  
Thank you for it!

What if articles that contained 0 images and were tagged photography were invisible in the photography display category? 

Also, articles that contained images and were tagged photography would only contain the image with no accompanying text other than maybe the title.

This would create the effect of a photo album effect in the photography category.

It might also be interesting to do photography specific tags to further allow for categorization of pictures like:

- photo.cats
- photo.ocean
- photo.travel
- photo.boat

Additionally, the photo category could eventually expand into some sort of ipfs based storage allowing users to store their albums online and get upvotes on specific pictures.

Some of the cameras on the phones are very nice these days but it doesn't quite measure up to a professional camera.  

I had noticed that the photography tags are diluted and can be difficult to find professional pictures instead of so many pictures coming from cellphones.

I thought maybe a tag that professional (or aspiring) photographers want to use like #photographerseye but that kind of defeats the purpose of the photography tag as well because I originally checked it out to check out professional photos. Of course, there are still 4 other tags to use as well and could be a solution.   I've always taken interest professional photography but I've never had a camera or device to take truly professional photos, so I have enjoyed being able to share what I have with the community.

Just like it's not exactly a solution to say find a new tag it wouldn't be  a solution to push out certain qualities of devices so I am interested to see where this goes.

Wow. Upvote worth $1000 is impressive. Good solution could be to have special tag for high quality pictures, like pro-photography or something like that.

I personally think some people end up using some tag Just to fill up the 5 tag requirement(i did that). Reducing the number of tags might not be too great an idea. 
But i think a reorientation won't be too bad an idea, you can create an article that would contain the neccessary requirement for a particular tag, what exactly a post Should contain to be eLigible for a particular tag. 
And i think creating more tags too can be a great idea.

I believe I said this before...
... and tried to engage developers...

We need searching and sorting on steemit.

Do you remember being promised a "resteem" tab?
What happened is the guy got it all done, but found that the back end couldn't deliver.  It basically spewed out 20 followed posts (resteemed or not)
So, it went back to the drawing board... and hasn't been heard from again.


Steemit needs sorting:

You should be able to show all of your favorite followees.  (this should be a personal, or public list of accounts)  Your favorite followees with your favorite tags.  And then after you read all those, go to all your followees and see just the posts (not the resteems)

This is pretty close to the groups function we have heard rumor of.
All it takes is storing a list of accounts.  The sharing of the accounts list would be the hard part, as we don't have anything in our current interface for it.

We should be able to go to someone's blog page and then sort by tags.  Steemit really should put the 5 or 6 most used tags just under the menu bar.

These are all easy things, but the interface is a pain.  Its hard to get it just right, with enough information and sorting, without becoming too cluttered.

Further, we should have default tags.  Such as CN or tagalog
So you can drill down from there.  (Important if you don't read english)

And like I said, I tried to engage the programmers, but... I think they are all on Github not here.

To My Dear @cryptoctopus: 

### Use AI. 

 
Seriously though, what a great thought you have to improve the use of tags. 

Photography is such a wide-ranging term. I might say it is too general to be of help as a tag, so it makes a good example of the problem.

And there are some good ideas put forth here already, and hopefully more good ideas to come.

I suggest you apply some semantic meaning to your tags. This approach might use  a "Meta" level tag that is more broad (like "Art" or "News") and you might even describe these relationships using javascript dot notation as has been suggested.

My suggestion is to continue to allow users to create the tag relationships that make sense to them, just like they do now on Twitter, IG, Facebook etc.. but just to **focus on dramatic improvement to the user experience.** 

Data already can be sliced and diced by processors  in more ways than v1.0 humans can even understand that data.

Relationships can be explored in individualized ways, improving efficiency to find the info you seek. So the real improvement I am suggesting is in the User Experience. The form of the UI would naturally follow the function.

Sorry im guilty. Ive done it once but it was a great picture I took with my iPhone and I was real proud  of this photo.😋 
https://steemit.com/travel/@californiacrypto/las-vegas-trip-getting-ready-to-go-once-again-and-i-found-one-of-the-nicest-photos-ive-ever-taken

 Great point and good initiative. Im new to steemit and am learning as I go but I will keep that in mind next time I want to post a photo. 

I think it would be good to educate the new users on best ways to use tags correctly.

Lols
I have been reading comments and everyone is saying create a new tag

Funny enough if a new tag is been created it would also be crowded so I don't think creating a new tag is a good idea now.

Now what's trying to say now is that, we are know you are a very popular person on steemit so if you make anoucement on any tag it would surely get crowded just like your comment box *(lols)*

I think you should do random curation secretly just as @blocktrades was doing before the rented out his sp.. :-(

I think this is the best idea
@thejohalfiles also does this somehow 

Seems like the chatter with the coming of "communities" on Steemit that there needs to be bifurcations/breakdowns of the most popular tags first.  I'm no photo nerd but subdivisions into categories or hubs of photography around different techniques, settings, equipment, etc.

This si vast concept and photography is the most heavily trafficked tag at the moment in steemit and that is the reason why some shit phtography are also getting flooded. Micro  divisions of this tag is good but it requires a lot of changes and developement and much scrutiny is needed while making the sub divisions of this tag.

And it is equally difficult to stop people to use this tag and this is fact we must consider as well.

Thanks