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Bittrex Source of Funds
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In May I attempted to log into my Bittrex account.  It had been quite some time because Coinbase Pro is my go-to as far as KYC crypto accounts linked to my bank are concerned.  I keep little in terms of value on Bittrex, and I haven't used it for a while now, even though it's a pretty good exchange. 

Imagine my surprise when my account was locked and Bittrex was asking me for the sources of funds I used!  What funds are they even talking about?  I knew for a fact there was only a couple hundred dollars on there, and I seriously considered rage-quitting Bittrex forever right then and there, but I didn't.

So I clicked the stupid "source of funds" link and answered their questions.  The reason I was so skeptical at first is because I personally know someone who was hit with these measures and talked to them at length in private DMs about it.  Bittrex really rails you with some ridiculous questions and extreme overreach when it comes to these source of funds questionnaires.  It's like doing your taxes, they want to see everything.  It's pretty blatant. 

However, my situation was different.  The person I spoke to about this situation was a whale, and his situation was a whole lot different than mine, and our experiences over this source of funds debacle ended up being complete opposites. 

I just told the truth... I don't really make any money.  The source of all my funds is basically from crypto itself and getting in early.  They immediately unlocked my account without having to do anything.  I repeat: I didn't have to send them anything after I told them my sources were from crypto itself rather than legacy systems or job income. 

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So after immediately unlocking my account and logging in, what do I see?  A bug that mistakenly assumed the price of various alt-coins were the same as Bitcoin.  Yeah, no wonder why I got hit with a source of funds request.  Their servers legit say my account went from hundreds of dollars to $46M.  LOL, seriously? 

In any case, that bug was corrected pretty quickly, but I'm still pretty annoyed with Bittrex.  It is not their responsibility to be asking me those questions.  They only have to report to the IRS when my account trades more than $20k back and forth in a year.  This whole source of funds BS is total overreach, and they need to be called out on it. 

On top of that, apparently you can just lie to them and they'll immediately unlock your account as long as you claim that source of funds is simply capital gains from exponential crypto movements.  They auto-unlocked my account even when it showed the value in it was $46 million dollars.  Pretty wild.  

I'm not a lawyer or anything, but as far as I know it's not illegal to lie to these people.  Are they really regulated in that manner?  Would it count as bank fraud?  I'm not sure. Either way, it would be difficult to prove you were lying about a source of funds issue especially if the money in question was coming from the cryptosphere and not your bank account.  It's not like they are going to waste money launching investigations anyway.  It's not really their job or their concern as long as they are protecting themselves legally, which it appears that they are. 

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### So easy to lie though. 
Anyone can claim they mined a single Bitcoin block on their laptop in 2010 or whatever.  That's 50 BTC, basically two million dollars at this point.  Boom, source of funds verified.  Nice question, guys.  

These things are difficult to corroborate.  Just look at Craig Wright claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto and suing people for posting an open-source whitepaper.  Anyone can claim anything and it's actually hard to prove otherwise, even if we know they are totally full of it.  

### Bittrex's sorted history with Hive. 
During the hostile takeover of Steem, millions of tokens were stolen from whales and those tokens were re-stolen by a whitehat and sent to Bittrex. 

![bittrexcommunity32123millionsteem.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmW4Pc1JiZw9oFSD6WgnHmbHuJpztE6iVykJbytUjUzFev/bittrex-community321-23-million-steem.png)

These funds are now locked in a lawsuit between Steemit-inc and the whales who had their millions of tokens stolen.  Many of these whales were completely neutral and dormant while all the crazy stuff was going down.  

I got an update on this lawsuit a few weeks ago.  The judge died and they have to start at square one.  Fun stuff.  Hurray for the legacy legal system being the slowest lumbering beast of all time.

### Conclusion
Bittrex is very much a mixed bag.  However, after all the drama that went down most diehard Hive whales stick to Bittrex even though it has lower liquidity than Binance.  At the same time it's hard to compare those two because one is a KYC regulated American exchange and the other is an [international shadow-banking outfit](https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@edicted/i-3-binance-mafia).

If you're ever hit with a source of funds request from Bittrex, know that the requirements will change depending on the answers you give them.  If your funds come from crypto itself it looks like you get a free pass.  I'm still not sure of the potential legal ramifications of lying to them about these sources, but considering the complete lack of regulation in crypto it's hard to imagine there are any risks.  It's obviously not the same as lying to the IRS, that's for damn sure.  Perhaps one of my supporters knows more about that and will comment below. 


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@antisocialist ·
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Anybody taking you to court has to prove that they have jurisdiction over you.
That is a very hard thing to do as they only have force, if you don't give them a pass on their burden.
Force means the game is rigged and you are not getting a fair hearing.

'How does being in a specific geographical area prove your code and laws apply?'

You can't write your rules down and force them onto me, I can't do it to you.
How is it that they can do it to us?

We allow it is the only answer.

https://yewtu.be/channel/UCRSlvevwU3ppuB7rGvZK0Cg?page=3

I'm 1-0-1 in my last two court cases using this method.
I would have won the draw if I had known at the beginning what I knew at the end.
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@bozz · 
I have a love/hate relationship with Bittrex.  I use it quite a bit, but I don't like how they often are doing wallet maintenance and you can't move anything in or out.  You have to be really careful and check ahead of time if you are doing anything time sensitive.

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@curatorcat.leo ·
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Bittrex happens to be my *"go to"* because we live in the state of Washington... and Bittrex *happens* to be domiciled in Seattle, WA. 

A chunk of the significance of your info request is likely related to that... Washington has hysterically tight regulations on crypto trading, *not* because of anything to do with a dislike of cryptos, but due to our legalized cannabis trade... it was the first state in the US to do so, so no precedents existed. 

These rules were created by the reality that when cannabis was legalized, growers/dealers soon discovered that they could bypass taxes and tariffs by trading in cryptos (this goes back almost 8 years now) instead. For a while, *most* exchanges wouldn't even let you *open* an account if you had a Washington address. It's a little better now, but only the exchanges willing to submit to the states draconian regulations trade here. At the moment, that means Bittrex, Coinbase and a couple of others. 

Bittrex, being based in the state, asks ALL users these questions now, regardless of where you live.

=^..^=

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@forexbrokr ·
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[Bittrex has been asking for a source of funds verification](https://leofinance.io/@jrcornel/bittrex-asking-for-source-of-funds-verification) for a while now.

Honestly, what a joke.

When it comes to 'lying' and who's responsible, it's the same as why Binance doesn't care bout US citizens using a VPN.

These exchanges ask the question, you tell them a lie and they then wash their hands by saying "well, we did our part."

The whole system of state-based regulation within a decentralised digital world is broken and laughable.

It's like building a wall to stop people from crossing into a country (lol).

Except in 2021, we have this wild tech of boats and planes.

The exchanges and any user with half an ounce of technical knowledge just goes around these regulations using a VPN or asking these stupid questions.

But that's the current system, so we all just play within it :) 

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@heruvim1978 ·
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I found Kucoin quite decent to use, and they do have some crypto you cannot find on Binance.



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@jfang003 ·
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Well I didn't know about the white hat hacker and locked up funds due to a court case...

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@edicted · 
https://peakd.com/steemhostiletakover/@edicted/theycallmedan-viking-battle-things-i-didn-t-know-about-the-steem-hostile-takeover

might be relevant
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@leovoter · 
Bittrex sent out an email about two months ago saying if you don't fill out a **source of funds** by a certain date, your account would be locked.   It was sent out to all (at least US) customers I believe.

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@mistakili · 
The recent HBD pump made me use Bittrex after a very long time, I was also hit with the source of funds message and I chose crypto or something like that and from there every other thing was seamless. I thought it wasn’t so bad after all, perhaps it was due to my choice. 

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@pouchon ·
$0.39
Crypto mania, Can't believe the judge in charge of the stolen funds passed away and they havE to start over.
Drama never stops.
!beer

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@tdre ·
$0.13
> This whole source of funds BS is total overreach, and they need to be called out on it.

Amen. It's well worth earmarking a portion of any crypto gains to support the dismantling of KYC, SoF inquiries and everything to do with all that.

> "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, ___papers___, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated."

Your financial affairs comprise a part of your papers. Mandating and intimidating private entities into conducting unlawful searches as the government's front men makes it ___more___ invasive, not less.
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@thedd · 
I stopped using bittrex when they introduced the source of income. Since I did not use too frequently and I did not have any funds on it, that was a no-brainer choice.

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Maybe it was a good choice they asked first. Imagine they blindly report 46M in your account to the IRS. That would be an awkward situation.

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@thedd ·
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I stopped using bittrex when they introduced the source of income. Since I did not use too frequently and I did not have any funds on it, that was a no-brainer choice.

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Maybe it was a good choice they asked first. Imagine they blindly report 46M in your account to the IRS. That would be an awkward situation.

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I think it was insanity to expect Bittrex to understand all the players and drama on Hive vs. Steem.  I think they did the best the could in difficult situation.

I live in WA, USA, we have very few options for exchanges and I've always had a great experience with Bittrex, just a slightly outdated little exchange that plugs along.

Too bad you didn't get to keep the 42 M.  lol

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