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Deepseek
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>On Jan. 22, President Trump announced the $500 billion "Stargate" AI infrastructure initiative, which included investments from OpenAI, tech company Oracle, and SoftBank.

# LoL
Almost immediately after Trump announces that the government is basically going to take over AI and centralize it in hugely problematic ways... China decides, "You know what?  Fuck that," and completely open-sources Deepseek AI.  Love to see it.  China has been proving they are not nearly as bad as our propaganda makes them out to be.  

>[According to the DeepSeek research paper, the project took only $6 million to train, and it performs on par with leading AI models.](https://cointelegraph.com/news/release-deep-seek-shatters-long-held-assumptions-ai)

In fact I'm hearing rumors that it performs BETTER than leading AI models, which, considering the budget, is hilarious and even embarrassing for Silicon Valley.  These tech bros were already having a hard time monetizing AI and scraping every last dollar out of it possible... and now a potentially better product hits the market that anyone can clone without permission.  Epic. 

>… dispelled notions that [China] would only produce closed-source AI, and has eroded Silicon Valley's perceived advantages over global competitors 

>DeepSeek is evidence that OpenAI does not have an unbeatable moat and that assumptions about scaling, value accrual in AI models, and development costs were also dispelled by the development

### AKA: get wrecked noobs

>[According to a paper authored by the company, DeepSeek-R1 beats the industry’s leading models like OpenAI o1 on several math and reasoning benchmarks. In fact, on many metrics that matter—capability, cost, openness—DeepSeek is giving Western AI giants a run for their money.](https://www.wired.com/story/deepseek-china-model-ai/)

>DeepSeek proves that there’s another way to win: by revamping the foundational structure of AI models and using limited resources more efficiently.

>### Innovation Born out of a Crisis
>In October 2022, the US government started putting together export controls that severely restricted Chinese AI companies from accessing cutting-edge chips like Nvidia’s H100. The move presented a problem for DeepSeek. The firm had started out with a stockpile of 10,000 H100’s, but it needed more to compete with firms like OpenAI and Meta. “The problem we are facing has never been funding, but the export control on advanced chips,” Liang told 36Kr in a second interview in 2024.

So we were basically sanctioning China so they couldn't compete... which forced them to use an open-source collaborative strategy to create better software.  Kinda sounds a little crypto-coded if I'm being honest.  I don't know what's up with the current simulation we are living in, but it seems like the underdogs keep pulling out these unlikely victories.  We need to be paying very close attention to this type of stuff. 

>[DeepSeek, founded by hedge fund manager Liang Wenfeng, released its R1 model on Monday, explaining in a detailed paper how to build a large language model on a bootstrapped budget that can automatically learn and improve itself without human supervision.](https://www.ft.com/content/747a7b11-dcba-4aa5-8d25-403f56216d7e)

This is also a big deal because LLMs have a way of "hallucinating" where eventually the AI just goes completely off the rails and has to be reset to a previous state.  It appears as though a system has been created to automate this process rather than needing to do it manually and freeze the AI in place. 

>DeepSeek’s R1 release sparked a frenzied debate in Silicon Valley about whether better resourced US AI companies, including Meta and Anthropic, can defend their technical edge.

>Industry insiders say DeepSeek’s singular focus on research makes it a dangerous competitor because it is willing to share its breakthroughs rather than protect them for commercial gains. DeepSeek has not raised money from outside funds or made significant moves to monetise its models.

Now imagine what happens when crypto fuses with this technology and it can fund and scale itself to infinity.  Obviously this is easier said than done but I consider this story a proof-of-concept and prototype that further demonstrates how open-source collaboration is always going to surpass closed systems if a positive feedback loop exists within the underlying economic system. 

#### Conclusion
It's always a good sign when David casts a stone at Goliath and shakes the foundation of the very ground we are standing on.  Humanity is entering a new epoch in which open-source collaboration is learning to overtake their greedy exploitative counterparts.  I only hope that products like Deepseek will join us in the continued fight for freedom and decentralization of power. 

 
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@aussieninja ·
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When are companies going to realize that collaboration is the quickest way to solve problems and that open source is almost always going to produce better results when there is interesting problems that people want to try and solve.  I love, love, love that it only took 6 million to train, as AI bois are so fond of saying, this is the worst it'll ever be, so it won't be too long before any medium-sized company will be able to develop their own DeepSeek LLMs.  A huge win for environmentalism too, since the amount of water these AI data centers have been consuming is unsustainable. 

I never made the connection between China being forcibly constrained with microchips so them just figuring out how to make it more efficient. Human ingenuity at its finest. 

I'm still not convinced GenAI is going to be as world-changing as people expect - I'm not sure how trustworthy it needs to get before companies are willing to take on the liability of entrusting GenAI with legal tasks, accounting, HR, cybsersecurity, etc, but I guess we'll have to see.
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@bozz ·
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I feel like China is also a lot closer to nuclear fusion than we are. Who knows what might happen next. I mean heck, Russia found a cure for cancer, meanwhile the US hasn't done anything.... 😃
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@christybliss ·
China, always competing with US. 😂
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@curatorcat.pal ·
I dunno, I look at this and see a shot across the bow of *narcissistic capitalism,* as much as anything.

Meaning that it seems like the Chinese were able to do what they do as quickly as they did because they were focused on the *technology,* rather than on the *money.* 

Maybe I'm being too cynical... 

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@cutecurator "Upvoted, reblogged and this thought is key to me: ..."
Upvoted, reblogged and this thought is key to me:

>Now imagine what happens when crypto fuses with this technology and it can fund and scale itself to infinity. Obviously this is easier said than done but I consider this story a proof-of-concept and prototype that further demonstrates how open-source collaboration is always going to surpass closed systems if a positive feedback loop exists within the underlying economic system.

#shortsegments
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@cutecurator ·
@cutecurator "Surprised to see China upstage Trump like this. He..."
Surprised to see China upstage Trump like this. He is vindictive and he is enjoying so much positive energy and success, this is an interestingly timed release.
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@daniasi ·
@daniasi "**Did you say $6 million?** so we've been rigged o..."
**Did you say $6 million?** so we've been rigged of high AI expenses all this while? Deepseek is causing big problem here.
Well, let's just say we will be running two AI models, one that favors centralized and the other for the decentralized.
Deepseek are likely to capture the heart of crypto faithfuls. What an early hit.
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@danzocal ·
!PIZZA
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@fjworld ·
> Humanity is entering a new epoch in which open-source collaboration is learning to overtake their greedy exploitative counterparts. 

Been looking forward to this for a long time. !LOLZ

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@lolzbot ·
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@ironshield ·
China offers the world open source AI...  Reminds me of the Russia and Sputnik.  Next thing you know the US will launch a man...  the US will make a SENTIENT INTELLIGENCE and it won't be fake at all.

!BBH
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@edicted ·
I find it odd that so many seem to think than an LLM could become sentient when the entire design is just to mimic the data we spoonfeed it.  Much like the theory of gravity, we barely understand what sentience even is or how it is created/manipulated.  To think we are accidentally going to stumble into the answer seems... lofty. 

LLMs have the appearance of intelligence and I feel like it's really throwing people off.
All I see is an advanced data processor.
We honestly haven't even done anything cool with it yet. 
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@ironshield ·
It's more important to focus on the "Artificial" attribute of AI, rather than "Intelligence".  Synonyms for "Artificial":

synthetic, unreal, unnatural, insincere, contrived, bogus, counterfeit, phoney, fabricated, factitious, faked, false, feigned, imitation, not genuine, sham, spurious, synthetic, simulated, man-made, manufactured.

AI will always be Artificial.
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@ironshield ·
DEEPSEEK...  DEEPFAKE?
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@johnny3 ·
@johnny3 "edicted that a good information ..."
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@lynds ·
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This really made me smile! Thanks for sharing :D
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@pizzabot ·
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@preparedwombat ·
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Somebody on Twitter posted a screenshot of Deepseek refusing to discuss Tiananmen Square. But if it really is open source, somebody’s bound to modify that part of its coding.
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@edicted ·
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Yeah I mean it only makes sense that a Chinese company would censor the classic stuff that China has always censored.  But exactly it will be interesting if some random country or company just clones it and jailbreaks it in unexpected ways.

An efficient solution like this also makes it easier for individuals to clone the code.
We could never afford an AI that knows all the things but we could train it to know a very specific thing... like it could be an expert on programming only or video editing only.  

Once something that like that happens it's possible we could link these individual expert bots together on a crypto network and they would share information with each other.  Then that network has access to all the info and could even arguably be better than a competitor. 
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@moeknows · (edited)
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That was me. Ironically, I wasn't necessarily trying to trip it up. I was trying to ascertain whether China was open to all information as was argued to me by someone on X. I figured if I asked Grok, it would be disregarded as western propaganda so I figured deepseek would probably give me the same answer which I know to be true. I was surprised by the results. 

Weirdly, they either changed the site or I haven't been able to find the same site again to replicate it. Now when I go to that site I am asked to sign in which I won't do. 

I think any time anything is made open source or given away for free, society benefits as a whole. I can acknowledge China's commitment to apparent censorship and still applaud the open sourcing of the tech. I don't know if I'd consider them a "David" though. Being the most populous nation and a world superpower, they have definite advantages.

ETA: Also, it didn't necessarily refuse to discuss it. It just threw an error. 


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@preparedwombat · (edited)
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I think I saw a *different* tweet. Pretty sure that in the one I saw, DeepSeek flat out refused.

A lot of people seem to be asking it similar questions. Here’s one I ran across today:

https://twitter.com/ManiamAkash/status/1883908271943360829
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@saltycat ·
Thanks for your work. It should be a game changer.
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@seki1 ·
Now this is amusing 😂😂

Deepseek huh...

China is always full of surprises 😂😂✨
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@valued-customer ·
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Open source is decentralization, and I love decentralization.  OpenAI isn't open at all, which is why I was astounded that Stargate didn't involve Musk and Grok, instead of Altman and that sleazeball Ellison.  I hope it was because Musk had a heads up and did a fortnite dance over a simulated pile of Ellison, ZuckerBorg, Pinchai, and Altman corpses in a GIF sent to them immediately upon the announcement.  We'll see if funds end up headed further afield than the announced LOSERS that are lagging behind cheap foreign supplies of AI.  Trump despises losers, after all.

Thanks!
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