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Stop Curating $0 Downvotes
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# Seriously
Just stop doing it.
Stop giving the trolls a voice and free curation with zero risk. 

It's actually really embarrassing how Hive frontends haven't evolved at all.  Every single social media site has a unique algorithm that creates trending tabs and personal feeds.  Not Hive.  No one is even talking about making one or even that it's necessary.  Whatever gets paid the most goes to the top.  Again, that's so lazy and embarrassing I really don't know what else to say about it. 

![image.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmZqQQ29NYp1sFPR6v6HXoUA2sEZ8A3gNJ5K4BLLDSNgKf/image.png)

When someone can just create an account for free and just downvote every single post and then stand out as the only account that downvoted that post... seriously what are we doing here?  Why are frontends making zero development?  Why are they just content to just sit there and be the same for years at a time?  I truly don't get it.  

If I was running a frontend I'd be upgrading that thing all the time... I had an idea for one but I want it to be more decentralized.  I want users to be able to torrent Hive blocks and store the data locally and build their own frontend without even having to talk to another node.  The only information they would need are the last week's worth of blocks (and probably the last day or two would be fine as well).  

Clearly there should be some kind of threshold for things like notifications on upvotes and downvotes.  Some people only want to see an upvote if it's higher than 5 cents.  Other's might be as high as a dollar.  Same goes for downvotes.  Many don't want to see them unless it's higher than a certain threshold (say 15 cents).  

And there is really no reason to not allow Hive users to customize this stuff on their own and have good defaults set up for those who don't want to do the work to customize it.  Instead what we have is some basic bitch setup that doesn't look any different as when we called this place STEEM.  It's crazy when you think about it.  

#### Conclusion
I'll keep this rant short and sweet.  I'm not even mad just venting some light frustration as to how decentralization takes place.  Not having tyrants in charge is great until you realize that nobody is working together and the entire thing completely lacks direction.  These are the things we need to work on if we truly want to scale up. 

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@ammonite ·
I like the concept of torrenting Hive blocks. But would that actually work since there are so many being produced?
Being able to not show all the auto downvotes and mind control spam would be great. 

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@aussieninja · (edited)
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Doesn't PeakD.com ignore most paid?  
On their Explore menu, they have #all, but that doesn't seem to be sorted by the most highly paid or the most votes, and then underneath that in the Explore menu they have Most Viewed Posts which I believe uses their own viewed stats rather than payouts.

In regards to lacking direction... I thought that was also one of the benefits... everything gets build out in all directions and the ones that find success will remain.  Yes that does lack direction, but it also means everyone tries everything all the time...
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@baah ·
Do you want some cheese with your bemoaning?
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@edicted ·
No I'm allergic to cheese. 
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@baah ·
Why wouldn't you be?
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@bitcoinflood ·
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It's super dumb but it's also what hive is really. It's been built that proof of brain which in this case is always a big lack of brain and more about curation trails and laziness now gets pushed to the top. The same peoples content gets pushed even if it's pure trash and like 200 words lol Personally I blame curation trails and then mega whales that have a ton of power and simply do nothing but vote the same few people and they don't curate. It's a huge issue but it's not one that will ever change without changing how hive works. Again it's why I think a fully decentralized system will never work. The only attempt I've seen so far is some basic search which I don't think many use and curation and pushing a few to the top help a little. But there for sure is a drastic missing part of algorithm and I guess that's because maybe it's hard with blockchain or simply no one knows how?
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@cmplxty ·
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I’ve noticed them, kind of funny if you ask me. People will always find a way to be annoying lol would be cool to opt to not see down votes on front ends. PeakD is usually pretty quick about doing things maybe they could git r dun!
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@cryptowendyo ·
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@edicted

Are you saying downvotes earn rewards?
I thought the idea was to return rewards to the reward pool?

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@edicted ·
#### No my bad I meant the actual definition of curation. 


![curator.jpg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/edicted/23wMaet1HmVvX8E6TXt1vmzR2gLpHET2kDz2hnKC3HK1HSvPBFt99yuVGGbJYQg87PyA9.jpg)


Like the act of giving these trolls a voice and giving them free screen time and triggering 90% of the users who see downvotes. 
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@cryptowendyo ·
Oh….

> Like the act of giving these trolls a voice and giving them free screen time and triggering 90% of the users who see downvotes.

Now I understand!

Did you start x-accounts to desensitize people to downvotes?

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@ctrpch ·
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The trolls have uncovered another exploit, definitely worth looking into. 
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@cwow2 ·
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100% agree.

I have before ranted about not being able to bulk sell small shit coins.
Like it doesn't seem hard to make? 

Just let me choose which coins to sell and everything will be sold a market value.
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@ecoinstant ·
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Its easy to scream your ideas into the abyss, then complain not one is listening.

But have you actually asked [this guy](https://peakd.com/hive-139531/@bambukah/hivemultistaker-update-new-logo-unstake) to do it?  I bet he'd add that feature for 50 bucks.
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@cwow2 ·
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I asked 24 days ago. Never got a reply x)
Wouldn't might paying for it.

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@ecoinstant ·
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![Screenshot_20220405-065737.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/ecoinstant/23uExLYxmbypBGCUQLhtvrzg819SPYo4gwkUzu2watcq7e5kdLAczPfDccjxtfk5iNrrW.png)

Already suggested to @asgarth and @jarvie  of peakd.  I get that you make money from posts but sometimes there are better way to convince people of your ideas, and you have a lot of good ones.
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@asgarth ·
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I've checked if this can be done easily and there are a few things I have to double check. Mostly related to how the information about those downvotes is included in the Hive post data.
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@ecoinstant ·
You rock @asgarth !  @ecosaint 
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@jarvie ·
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We try never to force the experience of our user on most things specially like that. 
BUT... we can give a control and a default in my opinion. 

For example a setting and the user can decide their own experience... and a default to either .01 or maybe even .1 and then let the user choose if they for some reason to see all of them... which perhaps hardly no one would do.

But that would have to go through the lens of @asgarth and if it would badly impact the operation and speed of the site which I doubt it would.
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@ecoinstant ·
This is the most complete solution @jarvie!  @ecosaint
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@emprendemesta ·
$0.08
I think peakd is working on muting some of these trolls although you have to be careful where you draw the line, downvotes can be frustrating more for smaller users but in cases where it is justified for the community to show disagreement they will be censored, a dilemma. 
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@ecoinstant ·
easy, if downvote is worth more than 1c can show.
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@felixxx ·
$0.16
>And there is really no reason to not allow Hive users to customize this stuff on their own 

Yeah, nah there is. 
All frontends get their info from the _Hive api_.
All frontends use hivemind for _notifications_.

There are certain calls and the replies come in a certain format.

For example: To customize your client to show only votes below or above a threshold would require some extra querrying and depending on what you'd try to achieve, at the least it would make your client slow.
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@edicted ·
Which is exactly why I talk about the need for users to torrent block information to each other so that things like that put zero burden on the API calls
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@felixxx ·
but just block information won't allow querries like hived does.

for example: blocks contain all transfers, but getting someones wallet's balance from those blocks would need computation.
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@forexbrokr ·
$0.08
When people click through to a Hive blog from Google and see the 5 broken hearts on the post, they don't get that it's a zero HP troll.

All they think is broken hearts, oh the post must be a scam.

Front-ends just need to aggregate both up and downvotes into a single number.

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@hironakamura ·
I have been seen this on some post, is it a spam? And should it be reported? 
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@l337m45732 ·
$0.08
All these damn xaccounts are driving me nuts. It's a mild annoyance but damn. Like can't we do something to prevent that kind of spam?

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@xiko ·
Lol create all "o" prefix accounts and keys play booths and crosses.
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@makerhacks ·
$0.08
I want to be able to block x* accounts from my Hive experience entirely but I guess the maximimalists will see me as a soy commie censor cuck for even raising that idea 
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@edicted · (edited)
$0.06
#### A soy commie censor cuck.

lol, this small comment contains a lot of information
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@michelmake ·
$0.08
I’m on your side on this one! There are lots of low hanging fruits to be picked in order to make this experience much more enjoyable and fair!
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@operahoser ·
!PGM
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@zottonetoken ·
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@preparedwombat · (edited)
$0.26
>Clearly there should be some kind of threshold for things like notifications on upvotes and downvotes.

To a small degree, there already is. I never get a notification for an upvote that’s less than 2Β’ but if I really want to see them, they’re in the β€œand X more” list. At least that's the case on peakd.com, I rarely use hive.blog

Why not the same thing for downvotes?
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@samostically ·
$0.08
Lol... the $0 downvote is annoying.  The person that created those accounts deserve some accolades.  What a way to be known without doing much! 

Customisation would be really cool. I wish a front end can make that happen.  
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@stayoutoftherz ·
$0.08
Just suggest it to @peakd, they are usually very responsive!
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@ecoinstant ·
$0.14
already done days ago when edicted forst suggested in discord.


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@stayoutoftherz ·
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@tokenizedsociety ·
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You make a good point. I've been ignoring these because they don't affect rewards and don't really bother me but the visual evidence that someone downvoted a post can be misleading, especially for those who are not used to the Hive ecosystem. 


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@trostparadox ·
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I’ve had very similar thoughts. 

We will be incorporating some user control options into the VYB front end soon. Hope to eventually give users the kind of control you speak of. 
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@urun · (edited)
we need ways to earn with front ends.

No earning for the team/ owner/ token holder = no innovation.
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@urun ·
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because we are on hive?

Nobody earns something with a front end, so no reason to evolve it. 

Sounds unfair?

But is the truth.

I love peakD but without the proposal, I'm sure we would not have it.

Hive has not found an alternative to an advertisement for now.

So no revenue = no one cares.

SMTΒ΄s could be a thing, but I would expect more pump and dump.


Some solution would be, sell adspace on posts. Simple banners.

Even on old posts. Front end takes some % and user gets some %.

Would be simple ( only posting key needed) and could bring some cash into the game.

I know, nobody cares :D 
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@vlemon ·
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RE: Stop Curating $0 Downvotes
This new β€œxLeo.voter” is truly annoying… inversely upvoting Leofinance account…

I guess they do not have enough financial Incentive to do so? 

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@whatsup ·
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this is a "project", I think it is transisto, he wants people to follow the trails.  

There is a post about it somewhere, with light drama.  

Not arguing with your rant, I just thought it was funny

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@ecoinstant ·
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its just the ability to follow the trails if they want to.  Its a nifty bit of code and shows how easy it is to build stuff on blockchain that other accounts can respond to.

Sure its probably designed to cause maximum discomfort, but you can't deny its ingenious.  
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@whatsup ·
We've had many "follow the trails" options, what is special about this one?
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@shortsegments ·
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I dont understand this topic, and you said theres a curation trail?
I thought downvotes returned rewards to the reward pool?
Please explain.
Thanks

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@whatsup ·
https://peakd.com/hive-13323/@lightproject/xproject-bringing-balance-to-the-trail-game#@antisocialist/re-whatsup-r9mgvy

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@wrestlingdesires ·
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I've seen a few of those, and actually have one on my tail. I wasn't aware that people were getting rewarded for it, or that those new accounts were posting. When I looked at the one after me it didn't have any posts.
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@xiko ·
LOL @ YOU

You who boasts about your cache of thousands of Hive accounts that you intend to do something with...


Are now mad that someone(s) has created multiple accounts and proceeded to do things with said accounts...


HIVE GOT YOU ON TILT.
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@yogajill ·
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Ah! Growing pains. One day we will be more than a bunch of degenerates!! One day!! We will all be great again!! Haha    
Go Hive!!!!! 

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