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SEVEN WAYS OF REDUCING COMPLEXITY - Wunderbar! by erh.germany

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### There's an answer to everything. Really, everything! 

Every question that opens up in the human mind is answered by some other human mind. All questions about humanity and what constitutes a human being have already been asked with interest by countless people. But what do you think, how wide, high and deep, in which dimension are you interested in your own questions? How long do you think it will take you to get to the bottom of a question that concerns you? 

How did you fare when you began to deal with mortality and the "place" of our earth and our existence? Have you received a final answer? What if I tell you that the finiteness of an answer is determined only by you, and by you alone? 

### Religion and the faith in God is a hot topic here on Steemit Hill. 

Many gather around this topic. You too? And do you think you're interested in the statements that are made? Are you looking for consistency and confirmation? What are you looking for? 

It is said that we are ruled by evil people. Accused of being either godless (separated from ethics) or stuffed with God (religious stupidity). What if you yourself are classified that small-minded? Are you at odds with someone who represents a concept of God on which you cannot formulate a consensus with him? How important do you think it is to find a match with someone who gives contrary answers? 

### What is the (true) subject of the discussion? 

That you're trying to convince him that his answer isn't equal to yours? 

## Do you think that *all* people all over the world must have the same insights at the same time? 
What would happen if this were to happen? All people have the same notion? Is that conceivable?

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What would you say if I replied: That's impossible. For this to happen, all people would have to be born at the same time, die at the same time, have the same experiences in every minute of their lives and any experience would have to completely coincide with that of another person. What I imply, is this: that the whole life story is present in your body as lived time in every respective moment. 

Then what is your consequence of this thinking? 

My answer to that would be: If all people could agree with each other at the same time, then any further experience would be completely pointless. Life in total agreement would be death again. Something like the urge to develop something or to solve a problem would have lost importance. Basically, nothing more needs to be taken care of, since everything has already been done. Somebody's running over your foot. So what?  

When you're in a twosome and you don't feel a match? Then what is the spice that makes such a conversation rich? Is it your ability to continue to feel interested in each other's answers despite a difference of opinion? 

How bad does it offend you when you feel that the other person is not really interested in your answer, but only that you accept his as valid? And what if he receives the same from you? Then where do you two stand with each other in space and time? 

How difficult do you think it is to maintain one true interest and that of another, even though he has just revealed to you an opinion against which you are inwardly rebellious? Have you ever managed to overcome this? If so, how did you feel about it? 

### Does it freak you out when someone answers with facts, even though you notice that feelings are dormant underneath? 

I have already asked some questions to other users here in this room and I didn't get any answers to many. It's like my question alone already contains an insult. That can, but does not have to be the case. Some questions people just don't want to answer. It depends on whether I get permission from the person I am talking to to appeal to him. Who does not receive this permission, remains alone with his question. In fact, some questions are so uncomfortable that it is better to avoid them. At what time someone is ready to approach a question is always up to them. 

Does that mean you have to ask permission before you ask someone a question? You don't. One can *try* to assess whether it is actually the right time to formulate one and whether the person one asks is actually able to deal responsibly with the question. But you don't really know this for sure until you get a reaction. Tolerance for trial and error is therefore legitimate. But: If you are having already this [Hintergedanke](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Hintergedanke), that your question might do more harm than good, you can consider to not ask it yet. 

Some people get really angry and shout: "How can you ask such a question!" Then you have your reaction. 

### But a question is like a gift. It is no longer in the hands of the person who hands it over. 

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Therefore, it can be taken or dropped aside. What does that mean? That what you've just asked is unimportant? Maybe, but maybe it's not about you but the other who doesn't have time and nerve. It could very well be that he comes back to your question later on. Maybe days later. Or months, or even years. Maybe the person finds answer in his inner chamber but doesn't let you know, even being actually thankful for an inconvenient question of yours. 

Can you stay with this kind of positive thought? That one of your questions was being taken by another one without letting you know? And that something of significance you gave him will maybe take influence in a good way? Would like it to be probable in this way? 

I think that the true deep interest in a person is not necessarily something that we mirror each other on a daily basis. In fact, we mostly feel that there is neither real interest nor real encouragement from the other, that we are developing further and that we are encouraged by an intelligent interlocutor to bring out the best in us. I would think this is based on the strange habit of simply learning it differently. What we learn in school trains us to owe speech and answers, not questions and further questions.  

### Are you actually interested in Religion?
I am not talking about the concept of a God who "does equate to some guy that floods the earth and laughs at cancer" as just recently heard - we are ready to know that this is not what we like to talk about. It's actually belittling the intelligence of most people I know. If you consider yourself all ready to not being interested in an evil God but in the significance of the fact that religion was an attempt to raise consensus over thousands of years in its different streams and shades you cannot just brush it aside by using cheap statements. Otherwise I would say that you either are not taking yourself very seriously or that you take yourself way too seriously. Why? 

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Because it is not *you* what religion was about *before* your time. You just stepped into life and now experience how religion is being perceived and talked about *today*. But the you from now haven't lived back than when there was no other concept of reducing complexity available. So my question would be: Taking a time travel machine and fasting forward thousand years. Would you say that the attempts to understand the world by our scientific approaches must be condemned as stupidity as the future humankind will laugh at the findings we were proud of and let so many scripts for them to read and mock about (in fact, not even reading scripts)? Or would you think that some of the future earthlings would consider our attempts as understandable? And could that lead to a more tolerant attitude towards humans trying to find balance in *their* present time?

### Religion, I state, was and still is just an attempt to reduce complexity of the perception and understanding of human existence. 

So you cannot just cut a process somewhere and say: That is now the past! This is the present! 
Can you see that it doesn't work that way?

It would be the same as to saying to all German teenagers who turn 13 years: That's it. You are now fully developed. You got breasts and penises and hair at the appropriate spots, you are able to produce and give birth to babies and you are an adult now! Behave like one!  
Where is the phase of transition here? Where is the individuality of the 13 year olds where one needs longer to mature than another one? Where are the rituals and traditions in which a teenager feels to be welcomed into his phase of maturation or sees the further need to be taken care of some more time from the adults? 
Is it not so, that we automatically assume that a transition process of course is something that takes place? Why don't we see that on a higher level, too? But "we" do. 

Not only religion is an attempt to feel comfortable and somehow secure in a really complex existence. But come with me now and see the seven wonderful ways in a complete summery: 
1. Verbal language: giving nouns to processes, giving abstractions to more complex issues
2. Decision making: in taking a choice one excludes other alternatives (which, if you think about it can be infinitely thought of) 
3. Practice: Once a choice has been made, it becomes relevant in the realm of matter. 
    *"To radically reduce the space of the possible: backwards, in so far as - as described - the alternatives are eradicated, and forwards, in that what is practice also has determining forces for the future."* - [Prof. Dr. Hartmut Winkler](http://homepages.uni-paderborn.de/winkler/) 
4. Metaphysics: rituals, traditions and communal existence differing from other local habits
5. Religious order systems (theistic religions and non theistic ones like Buddhism)
6. Borders and hierarchies (national borders and structures of power like democracy)
7. Modernity/technology (computer-, -blockchain-technology, artificial intelligence programs like [Tau](http://www.idni.org) and [Agile Software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agile_software_development))

Of course, I am somehow kidding with my headline of this article. But here they are. The seven ways of reducing complexity ;-)

I gave this summary a chronological order to make visible that from the prehistoric human who learned to speak, language was the first thing to reduce complexity. But if you think longer about it, you might ask yourself if it was *not* like this and that this linearity does not show the correct order but makes you feel in the very back of your mind that *all at the same time* can be true. 

I was inspired by Hartmut Winkler, wo provided me with the terms and explanations. Hartmut Winkler, a German scholar from the University of Paderborn, who spoke about "Cultural techniques to reduce complexity" says in one of his lectures - also published in text as part of the Research Training Group' Automatisms - that ... 
> my thesis is ... that societies have always developed cultural techniques that limit, make manageable or intercept complexity. Differentiation processes are contrasted by mechanisms of de-differentiation.

> My thesis is that for all historical epochs there has been a systematic interweaving of increase/growth of complexity and reduction of complexity; and that one must basically assume a conflict between differentiation and de-differentiation, increase and interception of complexity. The thesis itself is, after all that has been discussed in the college, relatively low-risk; and yet it seems sensible to formulate it ... . My second intention is to place the question of automatisms in this field once again. If we have chosen 'cultural techniques to reduce complexity' as a new subtitle, it is because we believe that our subject, the automatisms, can be reinterpreted within this framework.

So, do you have any thoughts and questions reading about Mr. Winklers thesis? Search [here]((http://homepages.uni-paderborn.de/winkler/) ) for his English articles and see if you can find interest in his way of thinking and approaching topics which are also connected to technology and modernity. 

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What I find here in the realm of steemit is - how can it be otherwise? - a high concentration on technology related thinking and thinkers. Providing us with specific approaches on dealing with complexity. 

### Can you now see that - considering time and space and transition phases - that modernity and technology are just *one* part of trying to deal with complexity? 

And if you can acknowledge this: How much is left from your attitude to ridicule notions and also people and not giving them credit that they - as well as you - are just in their *own* phases of transition from here to there? Having said this, the phases of transition are not just linear, as I said above.  

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Imagine something other than a 3dimensional realm. Whether you imagine that through pure belief or through a conscious altering substance, a prayer, a computer model, a work of art, the chessboard from Star Trek, a science fiction story from Heinlein and his [Crooked house](http://homepages.math.uic.edu/~kauffman/CrookedHouse.pdf): Do as you wish. 

But stop being the knower who knows it all and become a questioner who knows that he knows nothing. 

### My last questions to you: 

In what spaces do you think philosophy has a place today that it deserves? In the rooms of ecclesiastical institutions, where, long before we were born, it was undoubtedly already being used scientifically (think of [Thomas Aquinas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Aquinas), for example)? In the hearing rooms of the university faculties? And where does philosophy have its place in your everyday life? Now, what do you think is my motive for this whole article?

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<center> *"A Hintergedanke is a thought way, way, way in the back of your mind. Something that you know deep down but can’t admit." Alan Watts*</center>

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<center>  *"If your life does not have three dimensions, if you do not live in the body, but in two dimensions in the flat and printed paper world, as if you were just living your biography, then you are in nowhere. You don't see the archetypal world, but live like a pressed flower between pages of books, a mere memory of yourself."*
C. G. Jung</center>

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Text sources and recommendations:

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Martin Heidegger. First published Wed Oct 12, 2011: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/heidegger/#BeiWor

Self across time - The diachronic unity of bodily existence by Thomas Fuchs: https://www.klinikum.uni-heidelberg.de/fileadmin/zpm/psychatrie/fuchs/Literatur/Self_across_time.pdf

Analyzing Narratives and Story-Telling by Matti HyvΓ€rinen: http://www.uta.fi/yky/yhteystiedot/henkilokunta/mattikhyvarinen/index/Chapter%2026.pdf

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Ancient Theories of Soul. First published Thu Oct 23, 2003; substantive revision Wed Apr 22, 2009: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ancient-soul/

The Life of Saint Thomas Aquinas: 
> We approve of the publication of the book entitled " [The Life of Saint Thomas Aquinas](http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/life-of-the-angelic-doctor.pdf), by a Dominican Father," published by D. & J. Sadlier & Co. JOHN CARDINAL MCCLOSKEY, Archbishop of New York.
June, 1881.

German only: Study Body Psychotherapy - Drafting of a university curriculum based on the model of US-American Master's programmes. Inaugural dissertation for obtaining the doctorate of the Faculty of Education of the Philipps-University Marburg by Benajir Wolf from DΓΌsseldorf. Marburg/Lahn 2010: 
http://archiv.ub.uni-marburg.de/diss/z2010/0381/pdf/dwb.pdf

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You raise many questions--are these gifts?  They prod and prompt.  When you speak of religion I keep thinking, but the religion I grew up with was about not asking questions.  It offered an infinitely complex view of existence (the Trinity and Resurrection, for example) and yet expected simple acceptance.  
Did language really reduce complexity?  Or did it introduce subtlety and nuance?  Before language, how refined could suggestion be?
Finally, I've always thought that the person asking a question (and I think you'll agree with this) usually doesn't  want a true answer. They don't want to engage in dissent.  They won't ask if the response may be anything but something they agree with.
Well, I will have to look up your references.  I'll try to read them in German, because I find philosophical German much easier to understand than casual German--maybe because that's how I learned the language (in school) and my vocabulary is sort of restricted to that.
As usual, a provocative essay.
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@erh.germany ·
I think it's a conscious act I that I can decide to take a question as a gift, don't I? 

Oh yes, very much so, the Trinity and Resurrection are of high complexity and that people were simply expected to accept that is - I think - because of the given complexity one only can feel/ assume but never fully explain. Before we had this highly individualized education in reading and writing simple minded people (which does not mean they were/are unintelligent people!) were showing trust towards the arts of scripts and architectural appearances. The material space was used for transporting the spiritual message in the form of artistically perceived representative objects and subjects. People admired the artistic objects through holy symbols, and also they were in awe of what nature presented them in the form of mountains, rivers, forests, sun-rises and natural beauty. 

No, I don't think that language alone did so much to reduce complexity as it is more of an attempt in doing so. At the same time, language itself is adding to complexity. Nuances and subtleties... interesting... do I think a nuance and subtleness can also be transported through gestures and look of the eyes? ... I ask myself right now if a nuance of mine needs to be supported by my words or if my words need to be supported by my body language. .... Now I am getting a headache! :) Doesn't this only count for written language? What do you think?

Do you mean by "suggestion" something ...  like looking at the soup, than nodding with my head, moving my hand in a certain manner to signal that the soup is ready to eat? Interesting question... would it be possible to give a more refined nuance when I add verbal language to it? ... ... In the silent movie era or theatre play the actors delivered a meaning through body- and facial expressions. Also, poetry can be seen as an attempt to reduce complexity into the very essence of a message...

While I sense what you say, that "people" do not ask in order to get an answer, I would like to know from you personally if that is the case for you as well? Have you had experiences where your question as an adult was innocent and the answer of your interlocutor gave you a surprise or irritated you so much that you were hooked to it? Do answers not have the potential of surprising, only questions carry that possibility? 

From what I suggest to you (HaHa) is that an open question must not contain a solid intention of the person asking the question. In the same way a child is asking something without having already an idea or concept about the answer. ... Another case: Even though I ask something I may be pre-determined about the very fact that I can be nevertheless open to a different outcome, should show itself in the course of communication. 

Did you find Mr. Winklers German article? I am delighted that you will read him.
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@agmoore ·
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I think I like your answer even better than your blog.  I thought of gestures when I brought up the point about language and complexity.  I thought about the blind and what they miss in the way of communication.  So this issue depends on the circumstance and the individual.  This is not a question with a simple answer--but that's what makes it interesting.
I did find Winkler and started reading an essay about him.  I will do it first in German and then follow up in English, probably to make sure I get it right (or at least use a Google translate in passages).  My choosing to read in German I think also relates to your blog--it's harder, more complex, but that very fact forces me to focus.  Also, I find the German approach toward word-building to be very analytic.  Ideas are pressed into concentrated form.  I will try to print out the material because it's harder for me to read in electronic form.  My eyes complain :)
As for asking questions:  It's like any conversation, I think.  Sometimes we just fill space with words and really don't think about what we say...our questions can be like that, without true intent or expectation of enhancing our understanding of anything.  But sometimes we are thoughtful, and careful because we are aware that merely by asking a question we may change a dynamic, no matter the answer we receive.
I'm not getting a headache at all.  Just woke up.  Found your response and am sort of winging it before caffeine has hit.  Great  way to start my day.  You have good one now (day is already half done in Germany, is it not?).
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Hi @erh.germany, I'm @checky ! While checking the mentions made in this post I noticed that @seefromthesky doesn't exist on Steem. Maybe you made a typo ?

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thanks, @checky:) It was from naming a picture-source. I corrected it.
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@goastrighter ·
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Reduction of complexity in my mind equates to 'systems thinking', as in systems engineering. Something I've avoided doing most of my life: worried about missing out on the details. Resulted in very complicated life (in my mind that is). The trick for me is to develop a feeling of when and where a systems approach is beneficial and when and where a hindrance to my unique human experience.
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@erh.germany ·
Thanks for commenting.

I am not sure I understand. Do you mean that your approach on a system can hinder you of getting a unique experience? How can that be? Do you have an example? 

I am a systemic integrative consultant and was educated in systems theory regarding social relationships.
Rarely I meet people here who have an idea about systemics but what I perceive is that some of them do think systemically but wouldn't call it that way. 

If you are interested in this topic I have just recently made a summery of articles which include my professional intake on systemic consultancy: 

https://steemit.com/steemstem/@erh.germany/steemstem-article-collection-mind-you
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@goastrighter ·
I think a systems approach tends to provide a gloss of the overall environment. So it can simplify decision making to some degree. Like religious systems as a way of life or trading systems, but the approach doesn't make room for anomalies and can make one a lazy thinker. Some people like to apply systems to all areas of their life, like relationships etc. This can be problematic. On the other hand systems thinking allows us to make sense of very complicated situations and formulate a method for improvement advancement or time saving.
Personally I've come around a bit and realized the value of systems thinking as an approach to some areas of my life...
I'd be very interested in those articles, thanks :)
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@kimberlylane ·
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I love these last two quotes--Watts and Jung.
Interesting to see the seven laid out as ways to avoid the complexities, the unfathomable.  
As a child of religious upbringing, I so often find myself both fighting against and grateful for the religious socialization and experiences of my childhood ;) 
I do not pretend to know, the what comes before and after life, but have chosen to believe in something beyond biological birth and the grave as the thought of not believing in something (though I realize I have no clear idea of the details or any kind of unchangeable form) is simply maddening. 
As far as questions go, I am delighted to have others point out my blind spots in thier asking, flattered by their interest and very excited to talk about and learn new ways of thinking/being as I can become both hyper-focused/overly interested in my self as well as bored to death and impatient with the automatic ways in which I think :) 
And, as for the  Hintergedanke, or thoughts on the very far edges, that it how I experience my dreams--these new ways of understanding, just beginning to come into view.
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@erh.germany · (edited)
Hello Kimberly,

thank you for commenting and giving your thoughts to the topic. 

I'd say it is not about avoiding complexities but trying to deal with them. The approaches to get a hand on the complexity of life are so different from person to person. My message is actually wanting to build a bridge between the big ones like technology/sciences and religions/traditions/rituals where people can walk on instead of building walls one cannot overcome. 

Globalization made us coming into contact with other cultures resp. approaches ...sometimes I think people are not ready to acknowledge that in order to become a global citizen one should not ask other people to give up their local habits and practices and the part which remains alien to one concept of life can just be there without having to fight in an aggressive way. 

I ask myself often times where my blind spots are. 

> I do not pretend to know, the what comes before and after life, but have chosen to believe in something beyond biological birth and the grave as the thought of not believing in something (though I realize I have no clear idea of the details or any kind of unchangeable form) is simply maddening.

Thank you to point that out. The maddening aspect is exactly what makes people choose their approaches on complexity. I think it is healthy to do so and to find this intimate way for the self in order to stay sane. 

At this particular spot peoples encounters can cause ignitions into heated debates where one person wants to force another person into his own chosen concept of dealing with complexity. It's often an attempt to make another one obey instead of understand. 

I will give you a vote later on as my VP is exhausted and I want your comment more to the top. 

Sincerely, 
yours Erika
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@kimberlylane ·
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Erika, I like your explanation of wanting to build bridges and allowing others to have their own, traditional and cultural way of dealing with complexities.  
Interesting for me this morning to consider how and in which ways I have not wanted to allow others to just be freely who they are in their beliefs and approaches and this is most difficult with those we are closest to--partners, friends and not so much my neighbor or community members who are living differently.  Then, I can easily say to myself, "well, that's how he/she chooses to live/approach the problem and that's fine, but much more difficult for me in very close and sustained proximity, in which beliefs and strategies must be compromised and balanced in order to make space for both.
And, then I think of how you mention living in separate spaces and taking care of one's own basic needs and how that's work so well for you...
I'm afraid I will forever be trying to figure out the complexities of boundaries and deep diving into crazy growth--like your taking the risk to ask difficult questions.
Thank you again for your thought-provoking posts :) 
Kimberly
PS--and I think philosophy belongs anywhere there are a group of people who are interested in expanding their thinking and striving to make a better world.
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@logiczombie ·
The answer to everything?!  Is it??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVbnciQYMiM&list=PLpmLmx2zr10OM14A77GpwxYV6JVrZq6Oj&index=72&t=0s
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@erh.germany ·
LOL, there is no answer, obviously :)
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@logiczombie ·
It is important to maintain a constant awareness of and vigilant respect of our epistemological limits.
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@erh.germany ·
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@trumpman · (edited)
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Enjoyed the read. Resteemed.

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@erh.germany · (edited)
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Rascal! As always! 

And the shot  ............ missed! If I would write primarily for money, I'd wait until the next high on the hill. LOL. Money is important, though. No doubt. 

ah... what is that with the pancake? 
🀷 Must I eat it of sorts? Must I write "pancake"? Help, dear trump.

Oh, and many Thanks for the resteem! Honored, I am. :)
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@trumpman ·
Just follow the instructions on the pancake comment woman! 
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@vieira ·
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>But stop being the knower who knows it all and become a questioner who knows that he knows nothing.

Socrates approves that... or not? ... who knows? Surely not him.

Certainly you ask many questions, which take you from one subject to another as a top, without staying long in any. That is good, because, I think, you can not know anything without asking. Even to know if what we feel is real we must resort to asking someone, ourselves... right?

That's where I'm going; Do we not ask ourselves first before asking a question to another person? Do we not ask ourselves if the answer we receive is true after listening to it? Are we not the ones who interpret the words of others? What is the meaning of looking for answers in others that in the end we can only find in ourselves?

During my time here at Steemit I have seen that the message of the publication is, usually, totally ignored. Most people see the publication and take only that which they find a sense based on their beliefs. Sometimes I have written things, vague, although with a meaning referring to the subject, and people give it another meaning depending on their personal context, depending on their life. I would assure that this also happens to me when I read other people's publications.

So, it is very likely that when you ask a question, in a specific context (yours), someone will give you a response that alludes to another context (his). What I do is ask myself and answer myself, and my answer must imply the other's point of view, because if it does not, it is not the correct one.

It may be easier for you to ask other people questions, although as you will see, the answer you will receive will only be interpreted by you. In any case, it will be necessary to put oneself in the place of the other to understand it, otherwise, only a superficial understanding of the thoughts of others will be reached.

I don't know if so far you have been in the same context as me in this conversation.

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With regard to what you say about religion, and about the religions of the past, they have a lot to do with what I said earlier, and with what you mentioned. The context of the past is not the same as the current one, and unless a modern citizen manages to put himself in the shoes of his ancestors, he will only arrive at a superficial analysis of the situation.

I give a role similar to that of religion in the past, that of science in modernity, many people believe in the scientific and academic community as once believed in the ecclesiastical community, the difference, of course, is that both religions seek different objectives, the first spiritual, the second materials. Both, as you and Mr. Winkler say, are made to a certain extent to reduce the complexity of the world. Certainly both are conceptualizations. The main problem that I would see with such an approach made to reduce the complexity of the world, including the 7 ways you mention, occurs when people believe that these conceptualizations are an accurate representation of the world, and they don't realize that it is only a simplification of something that is much more complex.

I see that, again, I have extended a lot. Great publication and greetings.
πŸ‘  
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@erh.germany · (edited)
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I really do appreciate our steemit connection. 

You express something important: To put myself in the other' s shoes in order to find an (common) answer to a question. Before that happens, I make a decision of will that aims precisely at that. The part of communication between two people that makes this evident is to repeat what my counterpart said. As far as my repetition is confirmed by the other, something very good happens: I make the positive experience of mutual recognition. This matter requires two participants, both of whom are willing to play an active role in this process. If one of the actors does not participate, the understanding remains incomplete. For this it is absolutely necessary to acknowledge the equivalence of my counterpart. A complete all-embracing interpretation of another person is not possible. It is always only the deliberate approach and the desire for consensus that, when perceived, is sufficient. Often intersections are enough for us, because we carry intuitive knowledge within us, which imparts this to us. 

I have seen fighting couples in my counseling who were succeeding in this process. That is actually great to witness. Witnessing consensus of others is as much important as reaching it for oneself. It gives hope and encourages one to copy that kind of communication. We all really do long for best practice examples, don't we?

So, how is it going so far for you? Accepting all that, does it become easier for you to communicate with people? Like compared to your former self?

In this steemit realm I am often confronted with my frustration when I realize that my chosen interlocutor has a much more superficial intake. But the most interesting thing which I realize is that if I am holding prejudice towards him or her that communication suffers a great deal up to becoming impossible. I may ask a reasonable question without any hint of my inner prejudice but from the feedback I can sense that it nevertheless seeped through. Isn't that fascinating? Or would you only attribute my observation that my perception of a feedback is just me being stuck in subjectivity? ... I guess, here comes self trust into play.

> when people believe that these conceptualizations are an accurate representation of the world, and they don't realize that it is only a simplification of something that is much more complex. 

For me, the very thought that the 7 ways are named and formulated as an approach to reduce complexity was a great revelation! I can see my path from back then to here and it reliefs me to a great extend that I finally have a broader concept which takes much of the burden from my shoulders.  I can forgive myself, so to speak, to need at least *a* concept to stay sane. 

I agree with you about the conflict potential when these conceptualizations are seen as an accurate representation of the world. Maybe that's why the Buddhists say "never talk about religion and politics" :)

> That's where I'm going; Do we not ask ourselves first before asking a question to another person? Do we not ask ourselves if the answer we receive is true after listening to it? Are we not the ones who interpret the words of others? What is the meaning of looking for answers in others that in the end we can only find in ourselves?

Not sure if these are questions :) Do you mean it is kind of useless to ask people questions which actually do not interest them but us? ... This brings up a total new aspect. I am actually often asking people things not because *I* need an answer but because *they* are looking for one. My question providing has the motive of bringing the other one forward. I say that I do not need an answer as it was a service from me to the person. I am not saying that with this words (would sound kind of awkward). 

A very good practice is to bring forward a well meaning question and not having the slightest idea about the answer. Taking out all expectations. Letting the question lose of my own desired outcome. This would be true interest in the well being of another on. Soooo difficult to achieve. 

Greetings to you.
πŸ‘  
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@vieira ·
I see. Your questions are asked, not to know, but to let the other know, it's very similar, if not exactly the same, as the maieutics. I have no doubt that it's a very effective method. If what you want is to know yourself, the best thing you can do is ask yourself and answer yourself. But if what you want is for the other to know, be it what you know, or something that you don't know but he wants to know, then your method is quite effective. I don't know if you can understand.

So yes, what I was referring to was that we should not ask others questions if only we are interested in the answers, although as we already clarified, your goal with the questions is to give birth to ideas to others.

About prejudices, you should also understand, according to what I believe, that most people have them, and just as you can ask a question hiding your prejudice, the other will notice, because he also prejudges your question. It will be very difficult to hide your prejudices because your way of acting with that person is totally influenced by those prejudices, and *vice versa*, for that very reason prejudices are made. Therefore, if you, perhaps hiding it in one or two words, perhaps in a sentence, it will be transmitted equally, and it will do so more strongly if you are talking to that person face to face, because body language will always give you away. It all depends on whether to whom you ask the question is naive (read in the true sense of the word), or if in spite of having noticed the prejudice, decides to respond. Of course, this is just my opinion, it is not even an elaborate thought.
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