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· @peakd · (edited)
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Future of Tips + Tips have no fee


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#### WHAT HAS CHANGED?

Previously tips had a 1% fee (the money did not go to us)
Now tips no longer have a fee

#### WHY WAS THERE A FEE?
No one really complained about the tip having a fee but the reason for the fee was to avoid abuse and we don't think the abuse is likely to happen and if it happens we've decided there are other things we can do anyway.

So instead of a fee the API can stop tracking data for the user that abuses the system. Meaning no one would be stopping them from sending tips to their own accounts but they wouldn't be shown on PeakD because the API wouldn't be bothered.

Right now there has been zero abuse... but there will be lots more reasons for tipping in the future.


#### WHY IS IT IMPORTANT THAT THERE ISN'T A FEE?
- Because we are promoting tipping a lot more to new users. 
- We are going to do more features related to tipping.

- Also we want to differentiate tipping from Reward-Pools like the Hive-Reward-Pool and let users know that tipping is 100% between 2 users and that no one can interfere with or stop a transaction like tipping. 
*(Reward pools take into account every single member of the community, including their downvotes, but someone focused on promoting tips will realize it's only about those individuals who like what you do enough to send a tip.)*
- Tips are a big, and successful, part of other platforms like twitch and youtube live, PeakD would like to differentiate our tips by showing how the user gets 100% of a tip.
 
- Also we allow a few hive-engine tokens like swap.btc swap.ltc and swap.doge. Hive-engine already charges 1% fee to convert to the token so it's nice to not have a second fee in there.

#### WHAT IS NEXT FOR TIPS?
We are in the brainstorm phase with @cardboard (who runs the api for tips)
We would love your input here and we will see what makes sense and is technologically feasible

**We have considered:**
- A feed of posts that have received the highest tips
- A list of users that have tipped your account the most
- Those who have tipped posts inside your community the most
- Perhaps integrate badges or even auto badges for tippers
- Allowing communities to determine a unique hive-engine tipping token
- Changing the tip icon... perhaps to simple say "TIP"
- Setting a default tipping amount
- Allowing creators to indicate how they may reward a user that tips them 
- Getting other front ends to support tipping (it's very easy to do)


One big thing we can do with tips is to simply work with some large business minded content creators who have already used and had success with tips on other platforms. 1. We can ask and see what we can do to improve their experience on PeakD 2. For our users to see an example of what a creator should do to educate and motivate users to tip.

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@amr008 ·
Incredible. Going feeless was important . Let me run some data to see how much tipping was done in past 30 days . Thank you for this , I personally have received tips many times and I have no doubt this will be an useful feature.
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@bil.prag ·
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tipping "box" still shows fees, but there is no fee when tip is done.
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@peakd ·
Yes has been reported to @asgarth
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@chekohler ·
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I am digging all the ideas you've listed only other ones I would say is those tipping tallies could not only be shown in HIVE but all coins like swap.BTC and stuff. If people also see they can earn tips in other crypto it might get them hot and heavy and its a powerful marketing statement to say this person earned say 0.1 in BTC tips etc

What would also be cool are UI tip jar or funding jar updates so users can tip into the jar for a certain cause, kinda like those back a buddy sites do!
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@peakd ·
> is those tipping tallies could not only be shown in HIVE but all coins like swap.BTC and stuff. 

How do you envision what you refer to as a "Tipping Tally" we are interested in ideas like this and wonder what others have in mind.
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@chekohler ·
$1.14
## Payouts 

I was thinking that in your profile/payout section it could have another tap for tips. So if you click payout, you can click tips tap in there. You would then see 

- Total tips in HBD value
- Tips in the native token value Ie 0.1 BTC, 100 SPORTS etc
- The native tip value based on the current market price 

Then you would also have a list of all the posts that earned tips ranked from highest to slowest. 

You could also filter your feed by token you were tipped in 

## Feeds 

In the feeds I'd like to be able to go to a the EOS tippers page and see all the posts ranked for example by most tips received in Swap.EOS. Kind of like those chain news pages. - https://peakd.com/b/badge-321321 

So if I go to the EOS feed I can see the following

- Total amount of EOS tipped - Current HBD value of all EOS tipped
- Total amount of posts tipped in EOS
- Total number of tips made
- Average EOS tip amount (amount divide by posts) - just to put communities against one another to show who is most generous lol
- Feed of EOS tipped posts
- Users most tipped in EOS
- Users who tip the most EOS
- Posts most tipped in EOS

Then the tally page would be kind of like the communities page - https://peakd.com/communities

You'd see a big total amount of tips in HBD so lets say its $10 000 in tips given so that's your USP people can see that's the total amount of tips and it keeps improving, then a break down by coin

You'd see all Tokens available for tipping you like:

HIVE

- Total number of tips made
- Total value of tips
- Total HBD value of tips at the current price

BTC (Swap.BTC)

- Total number of tips made
- Total value of tips
- Total HBD value of tips at the current price

EOS (Swap.EOS)

- Total number of tips made
- Total value of tips
- Total HBD value of tips at the current price

and you can click into that token and view the break down based on only that token, as mentioned above


## Tip Jars

I see this one as the way the proposal page looks, so people could make a post as their Tip jar post and the community or individual would have a

- Price target
- Start date
- End date (optional)
- Accepted token/s for tipping 
- Percentage of goal raised 
- 1 to 3 options for a jar GUI people can select from and more options to be added later

Alternatively, it could just be an open tip jar for a community and they wouldn't have an end date, it would just be the place you go to if you want to tip the dog lovers community. 

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@davidmuhammad ·
Thank you for developing this project.
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@fionasfavourites ·
I really like the tip feature, especially for "old...
I really like the tip feature, especially for "old" / evergreen content. I welcome tje dropping of fees. I would like to see tje feature more prominently "featured" (ha!) and I do hope that this is one of the topics that will be covered in the @hivebuzz tour and am calling over @arcange and @traciyork to answer that question. 

Great work!

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@gabrielatravels ·
That's some next-level action! Loving it! Let's take hive to the moon!
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@geekpowered ·
Why not run a small contest to design a new tip button?
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@jarvie ·
I haven't seen a lot of tip buttons but i have seen some that simply say TIP. But i guess it could be a bit nicer than that. Not sure what kind of interest there is for things like that.

Anyone that designs a better graphic of what we presently use I suppose would get a very good tip from us. haha
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@iliyan90 · (edited)
$0.07
Hey there @peakd team!
A friend of mine got his account exposed somehow and they changed his password.
He has registered under my referral link from Peakd.
What is the procedure for recovering the account?
Thanks in advance!
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@asgarth ·
Hey, thanks for reaching out. The account has been created using hiveonboard.com?
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@iliyan90 ·
Yes ☑️ 
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@midlet ·
$1.79
Here's a few user stories for you to ponder and consider the features needed to make these possible.

# Crypto Influencer Girl X

X makes informative crypto deep dive videos where she goes over crypto projects in great detail. She keeps her content updated and organizes her videos in "Collections/Playlists" on PeakD so that users can easily find the content associated with their favorite coin.

While X does decently on her reward pool rewards, the vast majority of her earnings on PeakD come from tips. She actively asks for tips at the beginning and end of each video and depending on the level of tip, the user can receive different perks.

Tips equal to or less than 10 Hive, receive an automated, "Thanks for the tip!" response.

Tips greater than 50 Hive will receive personalized DM reply.

Tips greater than 250 Hive will receive a shoutout at the end of her next video.

# The Online Art Instructor Y

Y teaches art online through video lectures. He posts these lectures to PeakD and organizes them in "Collections/Playlists" based on subject matter, difficulty level, and a host of other variables. While all of this content is free, Y accepts tips for offering feedback to anyone who watches one of his online lectures, and completes the assignment assigned at the end of every lecture.

For a 10 Hive tip, Y will leave a detailed comment providing feedback on your work

For a 100 Hive tip, Y will make a quick video recording where he will critique a students work.

Y has his own whitelisted community where students can post the work they've completed for his courses. Within the community he has "Collections/Playlists" of previous students work as a showcase of what people have learned by following his educational material.

Hopefully these paint a picture of the sort of experience I've envisioned as I've chatted with you all about some of the features I'd love to see.
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@peakd ·
Very helpful. These are the stories that put a vision behind some potential ideas. Would be awesome to see some people attempting stuff like this (even if they were doing it more manually) and then we could automate the process. It's challenging to put time into something no one is doing yet just hoping that those who have this skillset or influence eventually come and use.
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@midlet ·
So to be honest, I think that at the current infrastructure support level and scale of Hive, TODAY neither of these examples would be successful. Too much friction still in buying Hive, plus a bunch of other choke points. My goal is to hopefully help to illustrate some of the many ways PeakD could fulfill on one of your defined pillars as being a partner in the success of your users. The strategy of which features implemented at what time in what order is a different problem and I'm sure you all know best what the best approach is for that in the context of everything you're working on.

That said, I do not think anyone will even attempt to do anything like this until the rails are already built and greased for them. I think whatever you macro vision is for PeakD, you will have to solidify that and go for it, then make changes and adaptations upon feedback and metrics of what's working and what's not. Just my 2 cents.
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@nathanmars ·
> One big thing we can do with tips is to simply work with some large business minded content creators who have already used and had success with tips on other platforms.

This would be amazing
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@nonameslefttouse ·
$1.16
Would it be possible to set a tip amount that gets delivered automatically, when someone hits the vote button?  *Killing two birds with one stone.*  Some members might like that as I see a few vote *and* tip.

For older content no longer awaiting payout (after seven days), would it be possible to add in a pop up notification that says something like, "This content is no longer open for voting.  Would you like to send this user a tip instead?"  Tips were supposed to help extend the length of time content can qualify for monetization from seven days to, *forever.*  I'm not seeing many consumers supporting old work in this fashion.  *Maybe they just need a little reminder, or maybe they don't know they can tip old content.* 
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@jarvie ·
$0.07
I would like to see tipping be a bit faster, so perhaps some sort of automation or default option/options may help that as a tipper. 

I'm just thinking out loud here.
- Maybe when you hover over TIP it can give you a few options you have set up. .3 HIVE | 1 HIVE | 10DOGE | CUSTOM


- The other day i was talking with someone and we were thinking of some idea where perhaps the Receiver could share default tip amounts with a message stored on their account which we could display. Aka when you go into the tip panel maybe it says .1 hive and a fun or informative message from the user like "Every little bit counts" or "thanks for supporting my content" ... or whatever a good business minded content creator does to encourage tipping.
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@nonameslefttouse ·
If I was busy kicking ass here, drawing big crowds, to encourage tipping I might do something like they have at sports events.  The 50/50 draw.  Anyone who tips is entered into the draw.  I get half, the winner gets the other half.  I too am just thinking outloud here.  Brainstorming sessions are always fun.
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@peakd ·
> For older content no longer awaiting payout (after seven days), would it be possible to add in a pop up notification that says something like, "This content is no longer open for voting. Would you like to send this user a tip instead?"

We do have that happen on older posts, go give it a try and see if there is anything else we can do to improve it.
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@nonameslefttouse ·
I picked a random member, selected a random old post.  I don't see a notification.  Must I click something first?  If so, I suggest making this friendly little heads up notification about tipping visible the moment I enter.  Maybe it could appear in the bottom right corner, similar to the recovery account notification.  Maybe it could be a bar/box covering the vote button area.  

Human psychology.  People need to be tempted into donating.  This is why they place donation boxes in a high visibility area, on the counter, right next to where a consumer takes their goods to be purchased.  Put it anywhere else that isn't so obvious, and whoever is accepting donations probably won't even see a dime.  Needs to be *convenient.*   
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@notconvinced · (edited)
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Well, tipping is best used for older posts past the payout period. A better way to showcase older material would be nice. I know having a feed showing the highest tipped content somewhat does this, but that content has already been found.

Building a tipping culture is essential to evergreening content, so I'm glad you are dipping your toes into this, since Hive and Steam are literally the only platforms that don't actually have an evergreen culture.

Getting Community Owners involved in finding older relevant content to reshowcase would probably go a long way.

How about adding the ability to set up recurring tips? 
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@jarvie ·
> Building a tipping culture is essential to evergreening content, so I'm glad you are dipping your toes into this, since Hive and Steam are literally the only platforms that don't actually have an evergreen culture.

It is true we don't have great features to make content evergreen. We have a few other things we'd like to do to improve on that as well beyond tips but it's a good reminder that TIPS are also part of that appeal.
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@peakd ·
#### RECURRING TRANSFERS
Sending recurring transfers is something that @howo is adding to the next hardfork. That is a great tool. I am not sure what kind of API it will support. Also i am not sure if transfers could be identified TIPS vs the other things they may be considered (aka payments) 
I guess we can see if @howo has some thoughts on it.

#### SEMI-AUTO?
Also recurring transfers are likely TIME based and probably can't be given to individual posts and that's what a TIP is so my guess is some sort of semi-auto system for tips could be a solution.

For example you state your intention to tip a list of content creators based on POSTS (aka every post or one post a day or one a week) then the system would find all the instances that should be triggered but because tips are an active key transaction you would likely need to confirm the transactions. 

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@howo ·
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I implemented memos on the recurrent transfers, so it would be possible for front ends to add some identifier on recurrent transfers and build on it :)

In terms of apis I haven't built many apis yet. So far it's just an api call "find_recurrent_transfers" to see where your recurrent transfers are going. Thinking of building more in hivemind or directly in hived. 

What kind of apis would you like to see @jarvie / @asgarth 
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@notconvinced ·
Gotcha, then maybe create content paywalls and paid subscriptions in the future?
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@papilloncharity ·
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Strangely a feature that I have never looked into and all of this sounds great indeed.
So, we will also start to use it.
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@yuriy4 ·
Thank you for developing this project. Good luck to you.
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max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id102,198,326
net_rshares0