<center>https://i.imgur.com/j3Z2J6H.png </center> A general Fibonacci sequence is any sequence of numbers whereby each term is the sum of the previous two terms. So, let G(n) = G(n-1) + G(n-2), such that G(0)=a and G(1)=b, where a, b are positive integers and a < b. Now, if the tenth term of the sequence is equal to 2018, find the smallest possible value of (a+b). --- As always, these questions are designed to be done by hand, without computational assistance. In this case, you should find some structure to the puzzle so that you can then generate many other similar problems. --- The first correct answer and further interesting comments will be rewarded with an upvote. Enjoy! --- <center>- -  - -  - - Please Comment, Resteem and Upvote. Thanks! @rycharde manages the [AAKOM project](https://steemit.com/@aakom) and the [MAP forum](https://steemit.com/@accelerator). Also check out the new [MAP Rewarder](https://steemit.com/mapforum/@accelerator/introducing-the-new-map-rewarder-passive-income-for-delegators-doc-1-0) for passive income and high returns!</center>
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This is a cute problem, if there are no answers soon I'll take a stab at it.
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Sure, as you can see, everybody who has tried knows how it should be solved... but also needs to read the conditions very carefully and not rush into undeclared assumptions. I'm surprised, but looks like a good lesson for anybody taking such tests in real life: read the question carefully and rewrite all assumptions and the expected final answer.
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Oh. They are all really close now :P
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Just a note, the way the question is worded is not unusual for a maths competition question. But the solver just needs to be a bit careful in processing the algebra. For example, the "tenth term" is *not* G(10) ;-)
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Are you sure? https://www.varsitytutors.com/algebra_1-help/how-to-find-the-nth-term-of-an-arithmetic-sequence
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This goes into the topic of "offsets" and how sometimes the same sequence of numbers is defined differently depending on how it is conceptually used, eg, traditionally, the first Fibonacci term is Fib(0)=0, but in combinatorial problems that makes no sense so Fib(0)=1. School arithmetic progressions make life easy by letting the first term be a(1). But if, say, the sequence of odd numbers is defined by f(n)=2n+1, then it seems clear that the first term is f(0)=1. Ultimately, it is a matter of context. It is also a matter of unresolved confusion that linguistic, mathematical and computing ordinals require that context to be unambiguously translated. In this case, I hope it was clear that G(0)=a is the first term.
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G(0)=a G(1)=b G(2)=a+b G(3)=a+2b G(4) =2a+3b G(5)=3a+5b G(6)=5a+8b ... G(n)=F(n-1)×a+F(n)×b for F(n): F(0)=0 F(1)=1 F(2)=1 F(3)=2 F(4)=3 F(5)=5 ... I won't give the formula for the usual Fibonacci sequence here since you could just Google it your self. I'm pretty sure I could extract it from what I've done so far but It's not necessary for what I'm trying to point out. So for G(10) it's 34×a+55×b And since G(10) should be 2018 you get the equation 2018=34a+55b. a+b minimal if b almost equal a b=a+c 2018=89a+55c So a pretty good solution would be: 2017+1=89a+55c 2017=89a 1=55c so a would be 2017/188 and b 2017/188+1/55 An even better solution would be: 2017,9+0,1=89a+55c 2017,9=89a 0,1=55c so a=20179/1880 and b=20179/1880+1/550 and so on next would be a=201799/18800 b=201799/18800+1/5500 And so on. Hope I didn't make any mistakes somewhere.
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Hi, thanks for the thorough response, but a and b are both positive integers :-)
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Oh damn I didn't see that.
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Ok, so if it has to be an integer 1958 is the highest number that is a multiple of 89 a=1958/89=22 so a can't be higher than 22 2018-55b has ending digits 8 or 3 34a can't have ending digit 3 so the ending diget must be 8 with 4 you can only reach ending diget 8 by multiplying it with a number with ending diget 2 or 7 so it can only be 2,7,12,17 since 22 won't work and everything above isn't possible. 2018-17×34=1440 1440/55 isn't an integer 2018-12×34=1610 1610/55 isn't an integer 2018-7×34=1780 1780/55 isn't an integer 2018-2×34=1950 1950/55 isn't an integer so it doesn't work with these rules. It would work with a=27 and b=20...
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All right. If we start with G(0) as first therm it would be G(9) which would be after the formula I pointed out in another comment 2018=21a+34b again 2018 mod 55 is 38 2018-38=1980 1980/55=36 so the a has to be 36 or less. 2018-21a=34b 1009-21a/2=17b a/2=c-> cmax=18 (1009-21c)/17=b for a+b minimal a has to be as small as posible since b has a bigger impact (2ax=34 x has to be bigger than 1.5) So you can either make a table or test for each number for c beginning at 1 and stopping as soon as b is an integer. I dicided to go with the last option. I won't post the boring calculations. It turns out it works for c=10 and so b is 47 and a is 20. I checked even further and it turns out there is no other possible pair smaler than c=18 and if c larger 18 a smaller b would not apply.
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Thanks, upvoted two of you!
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Thanks for the problem. I wish they'd give us similarily hard problems in school. Hope to see another one from you somtimes.
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The 10th term in the sequence is 21a+34b = 2018 or 21(a+b) + 13b = 2018. Since 21 x 96 = 2016, which is 2018-2, our objective is to find b that will make 13b-2 divisible by 21. The smallest positive integer b satisfying this condition is 5. Therefore, 21(a+b) + 13b = 21(a+5) + 13x5 = 21a + 170 = 2018, i.e. 21a = 1848 or a = 88. So the smallest possible value of (a+b) should be 88 + 5 = 93
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As the smallest b satisfying the condition of 13b-2 diviaible by 21 is 5. 5+21n where n=0,1,... will also satisfy the condition of b. Followong this logic, we can fond the first pair of a and b such that a < b , which is when a = 20 and b = 47. In such case, a + b is 67. Also, the next possible value of b is 47 + 21 = 68 which is greater than the above a + b. Therefore, the smallest possible value of a + b is 67.
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G(10)=2018=34*G(0)+55*G(1) =>G(0)=(2018-55*G(1))/34; =>G(0)=27;G(1)=20; But 27>20 => there are no solution
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Thanks, but please see my other comments.
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