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Splinterlands DHF Proposal by splinterlands

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splinterlands · @splinterlands ·
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Splinterlands DHF Proposal
This proposal and request is being written by @yabapmatt, co-founder & current President and CEO of Steem Monsters Corp., the company behind the blockchain-based game Splinterlands (formerly Steem Monsters) that has been operating on the Hive blockchain (and previously the Steem blockchain) for the past six years.

For years, Splinterlands has prided ourselves on operating a profitable business and on being able to provide significant value back to the Hive community who have made this all possible. We have purchased millions of HIVE tokens off of external markets, we have burned millions of HIVE tokens to create accounts, we have funded and initially designed and built two of the most widely used tools on the platform - Hive Engine and Hive Keychain - and we have brought thousands of users and tons of attention to the Hive blockchain during that time.

It is with extreme humility that I am now asking the Hive community for help.

## How We Got Here

In the crypto bull market mania of 2021 and early 2022, the company leadership at the time decided to expand massively and branch out to building many other game products and a blockchain-gaming platform (all on Hive, of course). This was done under the assumption that the bull market would continue indefinitely (or at least for quite a while longer) and that the more products the company could put out, the better.

As it happened, the bull market ended abruptly in mid-2022 and the company quickly went from being highly profitable to having significant losses while having also taken on many more projects than it could support. This was, unfortunately, allowed to continue for over a year until September, 2023, when the company's board of directors voted for a change in leadership and strategy.

At that time, the game platform project and all of the games other than Splinterlands were split out into a subsidiary company (Invennium Corp), which is being led by @aggroed. I became President and CEO of Steem Monsters Corp, with my sole focus on turning the Splinterlands game into a profitable and growing business.

## Raising Capital

As part of the plan to turn the business around, we are going to need to raise capital. There are a number of options to raise capital for the business outside of the Hive ecosystem, and we are pursuing all of them regardless of whether or not this proposal is funded, but if the Hive community chooses to help fund Splinterlands, it will be an opportunity to ensure that Splinterlands remains on the Hive blockchain and is not forced to move to another chain.

It is important to understand that most outside sources of capital that invest in the crypto/web3 space are either directly or indirectly affiliated with other blockchain platforms. In fact, most of the other top blockchains have specific VC funds and/or grant programs to encourage projects to build on their chain.

Nearly every investor call I've been on for Splinterlands (and there have been many over the years) has had a lengthy discussion about why we use Hive instead of the other more prominent chains with much larger ecosystems and market caps, and often - despite our best attempts to explain the benefits of Hive - the investors are only interested if we were to move the game to their preferred chain.

I have no interest in moving the game to another chain, as I truly believe that Hive is the best chain to support our mission, but if we're unable to raise the capital we need from the DHF and/or other investors who support us staying here, then it is possible we could be forced to do so at some point in the future.

We can already see this happening with projects like Ethgard Legends, created by top Hive witness @therealwolf, which started as a Hive game but has now moved over to Base chain. I know that Base has some significant incentive programs for projects to build there, although I don't know if that was the reason behind his decision to move the game.

Either way, this is a big missed opportunity for Hive in my opinion.

## Funding Request & Use of Funds

All that said, I am humbly asking the Hive community for 500k HBD in funding, paid out over the next 6 months (2777 HBD per day), in order to help fund the ongoing development and operation of the Splinterlands game product right here on the Hive blockchain.

I have and will continue to do everything I can to keep the overhead costs of running the business as low as possible to ensure that nearly all of our funds go towards building the best possible product that brings the most amount of new people and exposure to the Hive blockchain as possible.

To some of you this may sound like a very large sum, and it is relative to most of the other projects on Hive and most of the other DHF proposals, however it is actually quite small in relation to the multi-million dollar grant programs available on other blockchain ecosystems with which we are competing, and it is also quite small in relation to what Splinterlands has shown it can accomplish in the past and the value it can bring to the Hive ecosystem.

We are currently working on improving our onboarding experience to increase the conversion rate from new players signing up through spending money in the ecosystem, and once that is done later this year we are planning to launch a major marketing campaign - hopefully coinciding with the beginning of the next major bull market in crypto.

This is primarily what these funds will be used for - hiring a top web3 marketer and running a number of marketing and promotional campaigns to bring a significant amount of attention and active, paying users to the Hive blockchain through Splinterlands.

It is also important to note that Splinterlands will not sell the HBD received from this proposal on external markets. Instead we plan to swap it for our in-game token (DEC) on Hive engine using the liquidity pools there. We are able to convert DEC tokens to USD when needed to fund the marketing campaign and other expenses through our in-game Credits system, so that means that any HBD received from this proposal will remain within the Hive ecosystem unless the Hive engine liquidity providers choose to withdraw it from the pools and sell it themselves.

## Hive Needs to Compete

As a member of this community for nearly seven years now, it has been extremely sad to see Hive continue to fall in relation to other chains by nearly every metric, especially considering it is superior to most of the other projects in so many ways.

As a long-time Hive stakeholder, it is my belief that we need to use our resources to get as many great projects building in this ecosystem as possible if we want any chance at maintaining relevance and value in this space.

The DHF may not have as much available as other VC-backed chains, but if we are able to allocate that capital effectively to projects that generate a significant return back to the platform in terms of new users and visibility then we can compete with the best of them.

I think it's fair to say that Splinterlands has proven in the past that it can deliver, and although we have made some mistakes recently, I hope it is clear that we are acknowledging them, we are fixing them, and we are doing whatever it takes to get back to being one of the top web3 projects in the world and showing everyone in the space the value of being a part of the Hive ecosystem.

## Thank You For Your Support!

I sincerely hope that the Hive stakeholders choose to support this proposal - both as the co-founder of Splinterlands and as a large Hive stakeholder myself - but either way, I want to end this post by thanking the Hive community (which includes everyone reading this post) for your support over these last six years.

When we put up that first website for the project back in 2018 I never would have imagined it would get to this point, the amount of support we would get from this community, or the number of amazing people I've met and worked with as part of this journey. It has certainly been a life-changing experience and I hope to one day be able to contribute back to the Hive community as much as it has given me. Thank you.

-- @yabapmatt 

P.S. I look forward to getting to meet and talk with many of you in person at HiveFest in Croatia! I can't wait for the event and I am proud to once again be able to sponsor the event both personally and on behalf of Splinterlands.
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@acidyo ·
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Splinterlands and projects alike are quite important for our blockchain and I see this as a reasonable ask to help support it. People generally seem to underestimate the cost of things I've noticed. Anyway, this proposal has my vote.
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@cryptoshots.nft · (edited)
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People don't realize how much it costs to build games, especially in web3.

Personally, after building CS for nearly three years now, I spent 155 K out of my pocket, plus 140 K from past sales. And we're just a small team of seven, with a commitment mostly part-time/free-time.

I can't imagine their operating costs, even when reduced to the bone.

![untitled.gif](https://media.tenor.com/crLPl6MFh24AAAAC/iron-man.gif)

 
<u>**PS. Direct link to vote this proposal:**</u> https://peakd.com/me/proposals/splinterlands
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@acidyo ·
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@geneeverett · (edited)
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It's a for profit company. This is nothing but a short term bailout.  
They admitted they have lost track of and mismanaged funds in past.  This is ridiculous. Without many supporting this having a financial reason (holding splinterland assets) this would not be supported
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@acidyo ·
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I don't think it's just about the assets, I hold no spl assets for example but I do think they have potential to be a great onboarding project for hive once they do better as they've proven that in the past. Ofc I think they could've done more to convert the players into more hive eccentric users but there was talks about improving there and they've acknowledged that funds were misused and there's been changes in the team around that so I hope it goes better for them in the future for both them and the players and hive.
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@jossduarte ·
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> People generally seem to underestimate the cost of things I've noticed.

Maybe unbundling the use of money will help people to understand, think that there are games with good development that require less to maintain.
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@acidyo · 
Yeah, I think @rivalzzz had some good questions in this comment section regarding that.
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@allentaylor · 
While I can support this proposal, I do find it concerning. If SPL moves to another blockchain,  Hive is dead. That makes this proposal rather precarious. 

As proposed, this sounds like a bailout. I tip my hat to you for knowing you need the help and being humble enough to ask for it. But if the proposal is approved, how long will it be before it must be renewed? If the funds result in SPL being profitable again, will you renew or continue operating from your future profits?

I'd hate to see the proposal fail to get enough votes to approve it then see SPL migrate to another chain and kill Hive in the process. By the same token, I'd hate to see it approved and see SPL move to another blockchain a year or two down the road. For me, this spells doom and gloom for the blockchain 

On a broader note, VC money is killing crypto. You can't have decentralization and venture capital money. VC money always comes with strings. Puppets belong to a master and that master is never decentralized. 

I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer but realistic. This seems like a Catch-22. Hive needs SPL and SPL needs Hive.
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@splinterlands ·
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We have no intention of moving to another chain, even if we do not receive support from the DHF, however if we find ourselves in a situation where we run out of funds we may have no choice but to accept funding from an outside source that may require us to move to another chain, among other things. The more funding and support we have here, the less chance there will be of that happening.

In the past, we were highly profitable and did not need to ask for help from the DHF or anyone else. The goal is to use these funds to get back to that point. It is certainly possible that we fail to do so, but at that point we would not ask for more from the DHF. I don't like having to ask for help now, and I don't plan to ever do it again.
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@allentaylor · 
Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate the spirit with which you are approaching this.
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@alokkumar121 · 
You've got my vote @yabapmatt 
I have been playing splinterlands from 2019 and it's a great gaming project on hive. I want splinterlands to stay on hive and if this DHF can help them improve and plan better then it's good.
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@apshamilton ·
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Supported! 
An excellent explanation of the challenges that Hive faces and how we can help one of our flagship projects that has contributed so much through this difficult time.

I was just at Lou Kerner's crypto VC event in Tel Aviv and noticed that the VCs were focussed on specific chains. So I can confirm what you are saying.
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@apshamilton · 
Every other chain that could host Splinterlands is centralised. That's why they can offer devs millions to come to their chains. But every centralised chain will fail when the external money to operate it runs out. Hive is self-sustaining like BTC. Nothing else is.
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@apshamilton · (edited)
This is really a test of whether decentralisation can actually work in a dynamic competitive environment where change is necessary or whether BTC (which does not need to change) is the only valid use case for decentralised blockchain technology.

Hive has to face the reality that while it is technically better, properly decentralised and self sustaining with a stronger community, there are all these cashed up VCs linked to other centralised chains that are offering devs millions to bring attractive DApps to their chain. I met a couple in Tel Aviv a few days ago. @yabapmatt is telling the truth on this.

Hive has the DHF and should use it to compete, at least to retain our flagship project.

Long term all these centralised chains will fail when the external funds run out because they are not self sustaining like Hive. DApps that move onto them will have to be successful enough to not only fund themselves but sustain underlying chains that are much more expensive to run than Hive.

But in the short term we face heavy competition to attract and retain quality DApps like Splinterlands.

Hive is writing the history of decentralised blockchains right now in this decision, as it did when we forked from Steem.

Lets make the right choice and not be small minded.
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@arcadeph · 
This has our support
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@axobtc ·
$0.02
Supported proposal 315
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@bil.prag · 
well at least with this proposal more Splinterlands players will learn about social part of Hive. And maybe the worst part of it (not bad if they survive that they will like the nice part even more :) )
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@bitcoinflood ·
$0.09
Voted, This is the kind of stuff the DHF was meant for and I fully agree that Hive needs to be competitive and it's losing at that mainly because there's no incentives for people to build their apps on Hive through rewards or grants. This needs to change and applications will do FAR more marketing and promoting then events that cost just as much as what this proposal is asking. If this proposals fails my last faith in hive would seriously be over and I think that stands for a lot of people.
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@enginewitty · 
I agree with what the DHF should be used for, but it is a very vague spending outline, so I can't say yes (yet) to it.
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@vimukthi · 
I have been very dissapointed by the amount of good Proposals that were rejected by DHF. I even wrote some articles and that is the extent of what I could do. I only have 15K HIVE Power and I stopped buying HIVE a long ago in my disappointment. I don't plan to leave HIVE. But my interest has mostly shifted towards investing in DAPPs which care to expand to more users. 

https://inleo.io/@vimukthi/we-are-using-decentralized-hive-fund-wrong-
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@blanchy · (edited)
$1.09
No brainer. We are spending over 200,000 Hive since the start of this year alone on a stupid rally car that returns no ROI whereas we know Splinterlands is tried and tested the biggest attraction to Hive. You have my vote.
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@geneeverett · 
It was. It's not anymore.  This is a bailout of a for profit company.  This won't end well.  And I gotta wonder how many supporting this are doing so because they hold splinterland items and have that value in mind.  This is a for profit company that has been around 7 years, this is a bad choice.
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@theguruasia · 
Lol yeah a good reason for a vote

$WINE
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@blanchy · 
Thanks for the $wine. very sophisticated. I like it.  What year is it? Does it have the nice deep punt?
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@borislavzlatanov · 
What about hiring @lordbutterfly to do the marketing you are looking to do? He will probably achieve far more than others you might hire, and probably for a fraction of the cost.

What about making the game multi-chain? Instead of this or that chain. You will very likely be able to get funding to build the multi-chain aspect (including from the DHF). It could also tie well with SPS validator nodes, meaning those nodes can handle the multi-chain stuff. So one thing serves multiple functions. (And imagine all the functions it will serve if other Hive projects can also utilize it - and maybe help build it in the process.) To extend this further, there's probably good synergy with the EVM compatibility that VSC is building, i.e. people are able to sign Hive transactions with their Metamask wallet. Should be easy to tie into that.

There's lots and lots available in the community, it doesn't always come down to money. The community has plenty and plenty more than money that it can give you, and very happily. There's all sorts of people on Hive, and there's lots that has been done already and not used. This is an enormous unutilized resource. Share your challenges, speak openly about what specific troubles you are facing and what things you want to get done. And help will come to you. That's what this community does.
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@lordbutterfly · 
I would be starting basically from scratch. The people I got for Hivefest came from a lot of work in the background, pulling on sleeves and getting to know people that have 0 contact with Hive. Some very interesting names in there we will share soon. 

That is basically the kind of work that this would require. I could do it... but a much better choice would be having someone that is already a part of the tightknit groups in the crypto NFT space. They need to find a degen for this that knows more degens. And i hate those guys. I consider most of them scum of the earth and the reason crypto lost almost all of its credibility. :) 
I could do it... but someone already inside that ecosystem could do it far better than me. Question is if they could be trusted. And thats a question I cant answer.
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@brianoflondon · (edited)
$0.37
I've voted for this, a bit late because I was on a bit of a break.

Splinterlands is like an anchor tenant for Hive (if you know anything about retail and shoping centers). The relationship is a bit complicated because Splinterlands is a huge part of the traffic of Hive (which is an expense) but it's also a major reason for the chain to be kept going. I came to Steem then Hive through @apshamilton and he brought me in via @splinterlands.

Everything I've done on @v4vapp and @podping stems from this. Indeed I believe there are only 4 unique functioning uses of blockchains which can't be done any other way: finance, gaming, uncensorable text/social and my own Podping notification system. The last of these, @podping, is 100% inspired by seeing all the `custom_json` data which Splinterlands puts on Hive.

But I understand Hive is competing with a bunch of VC megabuck funded chains who will all offer big $$$$ to move the game to their chain and take a % and pump some other chain up (and then dump it and cash out). And much of the $$$$ value they receive will be spent on stupid fees running another chain.

**Hive doesn't have the VC megabucks but we have the DHF: we can help out.**

**But in return Splinterlands should do more to make it known that it is only the UNIQUE properties of Hive and the truly decentralised, community ownership structure of Hive which makes Hive special.**

That's what I ask to see back from @splinterlands in return for my vote. @yabapmatt @aggroed.
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@brofund ·
$0.24
Yeah, this gets our weight behind it.
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@bronko · 
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@brucegryllis · 
I wouldn't be here in the web3 world if it wasn't for Splinterlands.  Since joining Hive I have interacted with many other areas of the ecosystem, including Hive Engine Ecency, PeakD, Dcity, Rising Star, Tribaldex and Splinterforge.  The best part of the chain for me has been the enjoyment I get from Splinterlands, as well as getting to know other Hive users through my SPL guild, The Alliance.  I'm a tiny account holder compared to most of you but in my time here I've bought Hive, posted blogs, shared Ecency posts on Twitter and with friends on whatsapp.  It may be a small ripple in the pond but I hope with enough people like me joining the eco system we can still add some value.
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@butops · 
I give my support to this proposal
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@captaindingus · 
I hope this succeeds! 

As Always, I am willing to help in any way I can :)
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@cmplxty ·
$0.21
Got my vote!

I find it ironic that quite a few people are coming out of the woodwork to complain about Hive and this proposal, yet have little to no stake despite being here for years.

There are leeches everywhere, and would go wherever they can leech off someone else apparently.
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@coldbeetrootsoup · (edited)
$0.54
This is very interesting. I did not expect a DHF proposal from Splinterlands, as I assumed they had raised enough funds to continue for years.

Having worked for several gaming companies, I can attest that building a game is very expensive. Here are some average monthly costs for key team members:

- Senior Developer: $6,000
- Mid-level/Junior Developer: $3,000-$4,000
- Technical Artist: $6,000
- Game Designer: $6,000
- Concept Artist: $6,000
- 3D Artist: $5,000
- 2D Artist: $4,000
- Animator: $3,500
- Sound Engineer: $4,000
- Blockchain Developer: $10,000

A small team of 10 professionals would roughly cost about $55,000 per month.

After reading the comments, I agree that SPL players should be more involved in the Hive ecosystem. The Hive community has been promoting SPL for a long time, but have we received the same level of promotion from the SPL community? On Web2 socials, we mostly see SPL players promoting SPL, not Hive, while many Hivians proudly promote SPL.

My question is, what will happen to Hive if SPL migrates to another chain? How significant will the impact be on Hive?

I believe SPL should stay on Hive, but @splinterlands and @yabapmatt should provide more detailed information about their plans. Since this involves Hive community funds, we need to know what SPL will deliver and how the funds will be used. Will Hive gain more users, or will Splinterlands see an increase in its user base?
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@coldbeetrootsoup · (edited)
Don't forget how it all started and that Hivians were the first investors, promoters and community builders of SPL. It's fantastic how the game has grown, but you guys can't say Hive never promoted SPL when a lot of us did.
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@cpol ·
$0.02
You got my vote, Matt!
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@cryptocompany · 
[@PowerPaul:] Sure. I used every account I have in my network to vote for it.

May the chain be with you!
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@danielvehe ·
$0.59
I have mixed feelings that make it difficult for me to decide.

**I would vote for the proposal for:**
- Splinterlands has given a lot to Hive.
- Splinterlands never asked for money from DHF for its development.

**I would not vote for the proposal because of:**
- It is not clear what the money will be spent on.
- No plans to improve the game are presented. It's 6 years with the same graphics.
- The tone of the proposal seems threatening
- A few months ago the Splinterlans community rejected your request in the DAO to receive 100K.


Would you vote for the proposal out of appreciation for what they have done, or because it will help Hive in the future?


I'll see how this plays out to decide if I support.
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@mynewlife ·
$0.39
Yes it sounds like a threat, also my questions is, where was development for over 6 years? After blockchain gaming craze I don't see that if the project can support itself it will make sense to carry on with the community money without even saying what is going to be spend for. 

Splinterland at some point suppose to have all kind of range of games with different cards but similar concept yet they passed opportunity.
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@splinterlands ·
$0.02
> It is not clear what the money will be spent on.

It's hard to know exactly what the money will be spent on, because it will be on whatever we feel gives us the highest chance of success, and that may change over time as different opportunities present themselves. We have specified that the intended use of most of the funds will be on marketing and promotion for the project.

> No plans to improve the game are presented. It's 6 years with the same graphics.

We don't currently believe that updated graphics is what is holding us back nor is it the best use of our limited funds. Our current focus is on improving our onboarding experience so that we can make sure we can capitalize on the marketing and promotion that we plan to do.

> The tone of the proposal seems threatening

It wasn't intended to be, and I apologize for it coming off that way. I really really don't want to move off of Hive and have no plans to, whether or not we get support from the DHF, but the reality of the situation is that we may not have a choice.

> A few months ago the Splinterlans community rejected your request in the DAO to receive 100K.

This is not entirely accurate. The proposal that was rejected was an option for the SPS DAO to pay the company to run a promo card sale, and have the DAO receive the funds from the sale, rather than the company running the promo card sale on its own and receiving the funds. The community preferred to have the company run the sale and keep the proceeds. Your bullet point makes it seem like the Splinterlands community declined to help fund the company which is not the case. I would also point out that the SPS DAO voted to pay the company $250k last year for the development of the Rebellion presale, and there are also two proposals outstanding right now from the company to the SPS DAO which I expect will likely be passed.
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@coldbeetrootsoup · (edited)
$0.11
I understand that you can shift where the team and community feels good about, but you still need a basic plan. 

You can't ask for 500K and say, hey we will keep you updated how we spending your money.

Give us some kind of plan. If you want to hire a Marketing company then let us know more details about them, who are they, what projects did they work on before, any ideas how they are going to promote not only SPL, but also Hive since the money will be coming from Hive community.
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@danielvehe · 
Thank you for your response, I appreciate it.
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@vaipraonde · 
I agree on these points, for me it is difficult to judge the amount of money, as I don't know the costs of the operation, the team, and I also don't play. 

 But I know how important the game is to Hive, I've already tested it and I know that many people joined Hive because of splinterlands.

 But I would also like to see the roadmap and plans for using the budget.

 Development?  Team?  Marketing? 

 Without a roadmap, it is even difficult to monitor whether what was promised is being fulfilled.
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@dantrin · 
I'm a gamer myself, I work on a gaming company (still working for that said company). If you are a player of the game you want your voice to be heard by the company. Some companies do not communicate back to their player base, IMHO because they only see the $ sign on the users. This is scary I saw a lot of games that has potential and pffff gone. A game is base on the community aka users aka gamers not the company. The company only provides what the community wants and the money will start flowing in. Game examples.. Getting over it, Hallow Knight, Among us, Jump King etc. There are tons of games out there that is fun because that's the users wants to play. I want to try Splinterlands but I'm not in the card game (I played Yugi Oh Pentium era 🤣). I can support the game by buying lands and cards in that way I can get my investments back. With that said Splinterlands has value in the community and in the Hive blockchain. As a gamer we want the game to be better for us not for the company who created it. If this was done everything everything else will follow. You have my support @yabapmatt
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@dlmmqb · 
I spent whole night reading comments and stuff related to it. I will observe this proposals progress from far. I am thankful to splinterlands for introducing me to hive. Especially clove71 :)

How about listening to bulldog advice and restructuring referral system? Splinterlands lost interest of creators like bulldog. Time to find a common ground. Splinterlands needs marketing while twitch streamers want better referral system. I feel sad seeing clove71 and bulldog not making much from their referrals although they did heavy lifting for onboarding on hive through splinterlands.
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@empoderat ·
$0.09
I have a lot of respect for you @yabapmatt, and knowing how much you turn things over in your head I can imagine that seeing you in the current situation with SL must be very unpleasant.

However, I don't like the tone of this proposal. And I don't like the general sentiment of the Splinterlands Vs Hive community AT ALL. I won't go into the details which I'm sure you already know.

I'll use this comment to throw some questions in the air:

Instead of a ‘donation’, have you thought about proposing that the Splinterlands DAO ‘sell’ SPS to the Hive DAO?

SL receives the funds, X amount of SPS is locked in scrow and when times are better that SPS is sold by Hive. 

Instead of abandoning hive completely, why not multichain'?

With the thousands of transactions SL does daily, I doubt very much that going to solana/base/enjin/polygon is going to improve in terms of UX (no matter how little tx costs, we are talking about a LOT of transactions, EVERY DAY). And then, I don't know to what extent we're talking about selling your ‘soul’ to the devil (VC's). 

But I understand the point of exposure that other chains have and not Hive. Speaking in purely business terms it is the way it is. 

Even if SL gets a bounty (from hive or another chain, it doesn't matter), I don't need to tell you that if the game doesn't make enough money in 6-12-18 months we will be in the same problem. 

 I will probably end up voting for the proposal (although I don't think my vote will be enough to make a difference either), but I still wanted to express some of these things I had in mind. 

Lots of strength.
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@splinterlands ·
$0.32
> Instead of abandoning hive completely, why not multichain'?

We have absolutely no plans to abandon Hive in any way, regardless of whether or not we get support from the DHF. The proposal was simply trying to point out that we may be forced to if we are forced to sell the company or take significant outside investment in order to stay in operation. It's actually a big fear of mine that this might happen, and it is the unfortunate reality that I was trying to get across in the post, although it seems I didn't explain it well.

> I don't need to tell you that if the game doesn't make enough money in 6-12-18 months we will be in the same problem.

Yes, that is definitely a possibility. Receiving support from the DHF will certainly help our chances of returning to profitability but does not guarantee anything. It is up to the Hive community to decide if the potential reward is worth the risk.
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@empoderat ·
$6.58
Understood. 

All things considered, I will vote on the proposal in the next few days.
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@vaipraonde · 
I think It's already multichain, right?!
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@empoderat · 
When I refer to multichain I mean the fact that ‘SPS Chain’ is built with a more flexible approach that addresses running on multiple chains (instead of being ‘just’ a Hive L2).

In this way (maybe) Splinterlands could convince some external investor who would only invest if SPS was in Solana/Eth, for example. 

Obviously I don't know the details, but this is what I was referring to.
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@enforcer48 ·
$0.17
I support the rapid extraction of value via my tiny stake. It's probably more worthwhile than some of the other stuff passed in the past.

Spend. Spend. Spend!
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@enginewitty ·
$0.28
Flagged to bring attention to my concerns. When you first started, you would take time to talk to the little guys. I've been playing since day 1 (and still do). I invested heavily and made a profit with this game, no lie. But some people stopped answering DMs and seemed to only cater to the bigger whales instead of the 'Hive community' you keep prodding on about. Like @coldbeetrootsoup, @spiritsurge, and several others, I would like a more detailed spending budget outlined. I cannot vote for the proposal otherwise.

This whole thing is very confusing, really. Is it because so many people have stopped playing with all the weird changes over the past few years and certain other things that never even popped up? Where are the guild boss battles? Where is the role play element? 

DEC-B? Why.

Glint?

And now - vouchers just to play a season?

I like you @yabapmatt, you have done a lot of good for Hive, but this proposal is very vague. It almost seems more like a threat than an ask for help. 

>I have no interest in moving the game to another chain, as I truly believe that Hive is the best chain to support our mission, but if we're unable to raise the capital we need from the DHF and/or other investors who support us staying here, then it is possible we could be forced to do so at some point in the future.

>We can already see this happening with projects like Ethgard Legends, created by top Hive witness @therealwolf, which started as a Hive game but has now moved over to Base chain. I know that Base has some significant incentive programs for projects to build there, although I don't know if that was the reason behind his decision to move the game.

>Either way, this is a big missed opportunity for Hive in my opinion.

Are we missing an opportunity?
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@splinterlands · 
> I would like a more detailed spending budget outlined. I cannot vote for the proposal otherwise.

I respect that opinion, and a few others have asked for the same. It's not something we feel we can provide right now because we just don't know specifically how this will be spent other than that we plan to improve the onboarding experience and begin significant marketing and promotional efforts. We will use the funds in the way that we feel is best to bring in more players and grow the product, but we don't know exactly what that will be or how much each piece will cost at this point.

> It almost seems more like a threat than an ask for help.

That wasn't the intention at all. It is actually a big worry of mine that we will be forced to move the game off of Hive because we have to sell the game or take in outside capital and I really don't want that to happen. I was just trying to point out the unfortunate reality of the situation.
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@ernesto6402 · 
I have not being on hive block chain for so long but I believe in the splinterland project, I also know that building a game is really really expensive. Given my status on hive, I can only wait and hope the witnesses approve the fund you need.
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@fatjimmy · 
HIVE has the practical use potential to be one of the best (if not THE best) chains for game devs to build on.  But this is unknown.  Splinterlands has the potential to help bring HIVE into the mainstream spotlight as a superior gaming chain.
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@fractoli · 
@yabapmatt The main issue I see is that we have no way to communicate. Most hive projects use Discord but that is just a chat room and so as a player I struggle to know what is going on with SPL and Hive in general. We need a forum and wiki page. If we create a proper discussion forum it would be amazing for SPL and hive!
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@fragozar01 ·
$0.06
I will vote on the proposal although I believe that the future of Splinterlands lies in another chain. The way you present the proposal, I think you hope it doesn't get approved, because I'm sure you know the game would do better in other lands.

I think that could put an end to the issue of fictional players bleeding the project dry. But deep down, I would like Splinterlands to succeed in this chain, which is a real challenge. You can count on my help.

>Votare la propuesta aunque creo que el futuro de Splinterlands reside en otra cadena. Por la forma que presentas la propuesta, creo esperas que no se apruebe, porque estoy seguro de que sabes que al juego le ira mejor en otras tierras.
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>Creo que eso podria poner fin al tema de los jugadores ficticios que desangran el proyecto. Pero muy en el fondo, desearia que Splinterlands triunfara en esta cadena, lo cual es un verdadero reto. Cuenta on mi apoyo.
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@acidyo · 
How would "fictional players" exist less on other chains where it's way easier to create 10,000 addresses/accounts?
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@fragozar01 · 
It's certainly a big problem both in other chains and in Splinterlands. And I think that not enough has been done to address that problem, which causes distortions, both here and in other blockchains. Part of why this support is being requested today comes from this situation.

>Ciertamente es un gran problema tanto en otras cadenas como en Splinterlands. Y creo que no se ha hecho lo suficiente para atender ese problema, que causa distorsiones, tanto aquí como en las demás blockchain. Parte de que hoy se este solicitando este soporte, deviene de esta situación.
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@jaki01 · (edited)
$0.08
Upvoted, because I don't like it if users get downvoted just because of having different opinions.
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@fragozar01 ·
$0.06
Thanks very much, friend.
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@freedomno1 · (edited)
As an old user from hive and steemit and a splinterlands steemmonsters user from prefork, I agree splinterlands needs to promote hive more we have enough real players to support this.

At the same time Hive after its fork has not promoted heavily as well and needs to do so to grow the community otherwise why did we leave back in the day we could have just stayed with Justin Sun, who now owns bittorrent BTT Steemit Tron and a few other major crypto assets including ETH to name a few. This could be argued as a failed civil war fork.

As others have pointed out we need more ramps to the hive ecosystem not the islands of games as people pointed out many in Splinterlands may well be unaware there is more out there in hive. Easy enough to add to a tutorial that leads to the splinterlands hive page rip splintertalk then people will discover a far larger platform and ecosystem exist's here too.

With regards to this proposal the Team could give something to the Hive Dao as well it's a win win promotion to build the chain and the game so it makes sense to me that as other Hive users mentioned Splinterlands needs to vote and engage here as well as one of the larger communities not just hivers.

Game wise daily quests is what grew splinterlands the game should go back to basics it worked tweaking it over the years without addressing bots as a part of how we got here and leaving steemit for hive and avoiding Justin Sun tron bittorrent and steemits monopoly is part of the heritage we share on the hive blockchain.

Fun times are ahead if we can build better bridges now if Splinterlands leaves the chain I'll be the ass that says lets just go back to STEEMIT and the Almighty Justin SUN! (Raises a pitchfork of time)
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@freedomprepper ·
$0.09
The proposal is interesting. 

In my opinion, the first and biggest error was to raise the price of packs to 4$ and then even higher with the suggestion, that it could be even higher while berating people who didn't want to or just couldn't pay those prices.
After all, buying a few packs was not enough to be even competitive in Bronze.
Everyone with a brain could have predicted, that this would nosedive the potential for new players, for active players, for future advocates of this game, for multipliers, for genuine and natural marketing opportunities, and last but not least, for a thriving and growing player base.

I for myself dipped out after Chaos Legion, when I felt, that this turned into a money-grabbing operation, that insulted critics and wasn't open to normal players anymore.

I can only guess who was responsible for this shift, but I have a few quotes in mind, that didn't sit well with me at the time, while all the big influencers and the team itself egged those comments on.

The most egregious comment was along the lines of "This game is not for players, who just want to play and not want to spend a whole lot of money before they can earn it back. In a year, everybody who invests big will be better off. We don't want to be a project for everyone but for risk-takers." 

Not word for word of course, I would have to dig through my archive, but the sentiment was exactly that.

It was pretty clear, that delusions of grandeur, and resentment against players without deep pockets had gripped parts of the team, and though I loved playing the game up until this moment, I was out.

I hope you turn this project around, I still have all my initial investment in cards and SPS in the game as well as a lot of good memories. 

But in my opinion, every effort will be mute, if you don't reverse the terrible decision to raise the price of packs from 2$ to 4 and up, because blending up to 400 cards, is not feasible for 99% of potential players to want to buy as many packs to be competitive.
That's just it.
You could have had a thriving and growing player base even after the bull market in mid-2022. I strongly believe, this is the crux of the problem and I know for a fact that my decision and the decisions of a couple of players, whom I knew then pretty well had everything to do with raising the price, the potential to raise prices again in the future and the smug responses from parts of the team or big players who were influencing the decisions of the team that 
"we don't want cheapskates and leeches".

Just my 2 cents. Have a good one.
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@frgnholding ·
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Splinterlands DHF Proposal #315 supported
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@gadrian · 
> It is also important to note that Splinterlands will not sell the HBD received from this proposal on external markets.

I really like that. I was a bit worried about the impact of this kind of selling pressure.
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@pompeylad · 
They will pay their dev's with it...who will sell it to pay their bills. Smoke and mirrors statement.
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@gadrian · 
No, according to the proposal they won't give HBD to the devs. They will swap HBD to DEC in the diesel pool and they have a way to convert DEC to USD without selling it on the market. At least that's what Matt says in the proposal and the town hall.
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@game.player ·
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A while ago you had a token worth about 0.03 cents, not happy you put a wild pass permit to try to reduce the players (you could encrypt something in the custom json that worked to remove bots), now the token is at 0.006 cents... In games Online games normally give daily gifts for people to come and get the gift, in Splinterlands they try to do the opposite... Have you tried another strategy instead of just trying to sell packs infinitely and adding new rulesets?

To get new players, just give accounts for free with a restriction that only releases the withdraw of the token after collecting 10 dollars for the starter pack, do daily events giving something just for people to log in, do a different ranked for these players with few ruleset, maybe make a mobile version with ads to release things...

If the game continues like this, in the future I see the game being sold to another company.

And about this proposal: If this request were made elsewhere, you would give something in exchange for support, give about 200k packs of Cards to HIVE DAO, so the HIVE community can use this to do some event that can benefit the community.
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@game.player ·
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Or maybe you can give personalized skins with the HIVE blockchain theme, imagine one skin per day for 356 days for each user who has more than 100 HP*, this would make HIVE users in general have to enter the website to get the airdrop, So you need some way to convert everyone into a player. Win Win. Everyone likes things free, but this is a bait to attract players.
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@davemccoy · 
I like this type of concept.
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@peanutpie100 · 
The old system of working to get daily reward chests did this. We all played each & every day & paid for "old" cards to increase CP & advance leagues, now I will not play at all. I collect my staking rewards & cry about the money I spent buying cards that are now useless to me.
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@splinterlands · 
> To get new players, just give accounts for free with a restriction that only releases the withdraw of the token after collecting 10 dollars for the starter pack

This is something we are actively working on as we revamp the onboarding experience. Please keep in mind that it is not as easy as it is with traditional games, however, since "accounts" on Hive have a cost associated with them and if we give them away for free this will (and has been) exploited. That is part of what the $10 spellbook purchase covers. That being said, we believe we can still make this experience work, but it does take more time and planning than you might expect.

> And about this proposal: If this request were made elsewhere, you would give something in exchange for support, give about 200k packs of Cards to HIVE DAO, so the HIVE community can use this to do some event that can benefit the community.

I'm not sure I agree with this statement. Many blockchain ecosystems offer grants for projects to build on their chain and the benefit to the grantor is that they get a potentially big project bringing people and money into their ecosystem. This is no different. As for your suggestion of the Hive DAO receiving card packs, this would be up to the SPS DAO to decide as they are the ones responsible for the distribution of the card packs and it is not something the Splinterlands company is able to do on our own. Additionally, I'm not sure how or if that would even work, technically, for the Hive DAO to hold Splinterlands in-game assets.
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@gank ·
$1.88
Having been on this blockchain for nearly 7 years, and playing Splinterlands for nearly 6 years, I have had interactions with many of you, and no doubt opinions of me cover the entire spectrum. 

I think most would agree, at the very least, I am passionate about the things I believe in.

I found Steem/Hive in September 2017 and fell in love with the potential of this blockchain for businesses and games to build on. A love I still have, and to this day 98% of my crypto experiences involve HIVE. 

When SteemMonsters/Splinterlands came along, I fell in love with the concept and the nostalgic MTG feel it had to me.

As the game started gaining traction, I thought the flood gates would open with other businesses and games coming to HIVE to build. Some did, but I still couldn't believe that there wasn't more.

Splinterlands continued to grow, and then caught a comet, and found itself bigger, shining brighter and at a speed that no one thought possible. 

Almost overnight, a couple of tech savvy gamers with a cool gaming idea, @aggroed and @yabapmatt , went from running a small 5 person team working on a passion project to running a serious business with over a 100 person team.

The reality is that would be a tough situation for a seasoned CEO, with a business background, who has experience running medium to large companies to be able to manage all of the internal and external relationships, as well as maintaining a long-term vision in a successful way.

Of course there were going to be some big mistakes made. I am confident that @yabapmatt has learned a lot from that roller coaster and has been hard at work at bringing the game and the long-term vision in-line with a sustainable and successful approach.

There is no doubt that Splinterlands is one of the best ongoing advertisements for what the HIVE blockchain is capable of handling, in terms of users and actions, to other potential businesses and gaming companies looking to build. 

Splinterlands has also onboarded tens of thousands of players and hundreds of thousands of accounts onto the blockchain over the years, and have even created a process for a new player to not have to even know anything about HIVE or blockchains to start playing, which is important for lowering the barrier of entry into the game (and blockchain) and improving the New Player Experience. 

I do agree with what some people have said that Splinterlands players should also understand the importance of being a part of the HIVE ecosystem and powering up HIVE to help secure and support the chain. It is to this point why I have written this. 

**I think it would go a long way with garnering more support and traction for this proposal, and also show a planned, good-faith effort from Splinterlands, if @yabapmatt would earmark 5% to 10% of this proposals funds to be used for efforts to educate players and facilitate transitioning players' views to understanding the importance of also being a part of the decentralized HIVE community and ecosystem.**

Thanks for your time and consideration,
Gank
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@sgt-dan ·
$0.06
<div class="pull-left">

![Untamed Sarge Logo](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/sgt-dan/AK2CQ8A5LViWn7gvUrQVjerxRoisZ5weRpeFbKuSRN95BBSjyTfwsdRaHjgfoaZ.png)
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Well said. Splinterlands has played a big part on the HIVE blockchain to be sure. Along with you, many of us have watched the ups and downs of the game.


I personally am voting for this proposal and will be encouraging the members of the #SBT community to do the same.
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@jef-001 · 
Got to say, love that art
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@splinterlandshq · 
Good to see you brother Sarge! Hope all is well.
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@gigel2 · (edited)
$0.09
move splintersland to ronin and you sell 5 million packs in first day.
there are money and people that love games ,this hive peoplea are losers and they will fail in this bull market ,  i will vote with my 70k hp but will not do anything
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@jaki01 · (edited)
$0.08
Actually, I don't agree HIVEians to be "losers", but I would prefer people to discuss with words instead of downvotes. :-)
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@gospodinpurko · 
Supported!
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@guiltyparties ·
$6.84
I support the proposal. I don't agree with some of the commenters that the tone is threatening --- reality is the game isn't free to run and develop, the current economic climate is garbage, and funds are needed. Salaries aren't cheap with the increased costs of living. It reads that SL is backed up against a wall right now, like all businesses that focused on innovation and not on some backroom deals. 

Granted, the game needs some development and there's a lot of good ideas in the comments here. I'm reading this and I see this is what the money is for.

Half a million doesn't go far in this industry. That's sponsorship/visibility in two major conferences. I know Matt isn't a fan of conferences and this isn't what he'd allocate the funds to.
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@jaki01 ·
$0.08
As promised I won't upvote you, lol, but it sounds reasonable what you are writing here! :-)
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@guyman ·
$0.48
Splinterlands is good...
I vote YEP; I hope it stays
Always shall I play.

#haikuforyou
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@hurtlocker · 
Splinterlands makes me strong.

Hive is beautiful.
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@pulubengdugs ·
$0.13
Right!😁
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@industriousliv · 
I do not play the game. Although I have sometimes regretted not getting involved when we were all on “the blockchain that shall not be named”. 

I am curious about the business decisions that have led to this crisis. Also curious if real lessons have been learned and real systems created to prevent the same in the future. Because in the long run a business (even crypto based) should not only rely on the economy being bullish. A business should absolutely have the resilience to survive the downturn (still grow even). 

All that being said, I’m willing to give you a chance. Mostly because if your proposal is successful, then it will open up the chances of other businesses getting funding to start on Hive with the intention of onboarding new members and growing the chain.
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@jagged · (edited)
$0.53
I really appreciate all of the discussion and questions coming out of this proposal in the comments.

I'd like to see the Team earn some revenue from game transactions.  Is the reason they don't do that for "tax" reasons or a fundamental promise?  

If they receive some consistent income, beyond pack sales, it can minimise the need to ask for handouts when it gets difficult.

I know it's not directly related to the proposal but it is a question I have considered during the Splinterlands journey.  Maybe others have the same question (or maybe it has been asked before).
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@jossduarte ·
$0.03
You say it yourself, the problem they have is that without any criteria, they joined the crypto game boom thinking that it would last forever.

The Gaming community and the Crypto community do not hold hands, if you want a game to succeed you must build community, you must think about the community and that will generate profits, it does not work to create a game thinking about making a lot of money because people will invest time.

Splinterlands is NOT fun, it is NOT optimized and although surely you have a bubble of users that are active and will criticize me saying that it is the best game of their life, the amount of users is NULL compared to other TCG in the market, can it compete with Heartston? NO, can it compete with Legends of Runeterra? NO (and this game is dead), Can it compete with Pokémon TCG? NOT even close, Does it compete with Magic? NO, Does it compete with its direct rival Gods Unchained? NO.
Why is it that all these games I mentioned have more community and active users than Splinterlands? Surely they will tell me that it is because of the support of big companies, and now they will come with the excuse that Splinterlands does not make money and Splinterlands does, that is where they are wrong, because if Splinterlands was such a superior project, the users would come alone, it is impossible that people do not want to earn money having fun and if money can be earned, logic says that the game is not attractive.

In your post more than a request for help, it seems a threat, literally between the lines I read "Either you support us, or I'll have to go to another platform...", it seems absurd and aggressive, but I also recognize that Hive is a platform of few users and little active, even those who no longer use Splinterlands know that a lot of movements are given through the game and that removing it from Hive is to cut a leg to Hive.

The migration does not benefit anyone, it is a gamble, maybe leaving to another platform everything will be better, you get investment and get more users, as they may remain stuck at the same point and lose users who do not know about the migration, what will they do? Ask people to make Tweets with a referral link?

The Gamer community is wide, but the one who knows it knows what a kickstar is, and knows that good games don't need 500.000 USD (Approximate) for their development, there are GOTY winning games that were developed with less than 40. 000, but I guess that for staff and others you will have your accounts, it would be good that at least you take the time to desglozar as they will invest that money, because you could easily take it invest 20% in the game and the rest invest it in a house with a pool for staff to go to relax, Is it the case? I do not think so but with your message is left to the interpretation of the user.
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@eldon1 · 
You are wrong bro. Im a gamer and I can assure you splinterlands is fun.
Same as football is fun but american football is boring, same as how basketball is fun but car racing is boring.
Eveyone has personal opinions and interests but basing an economic decision on them is just dumb.
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@jossduarte · 
Here they are asking for 500K, the games are designed to be fun... If Splinterlands is for such a small community, fun is a determining factor.

I don't care if 10,000 regular users of the game come to tell me I'm wrong, I'm used to work and moderate large gaming communities; I really respect that there are people who enjoy Splinterlands, but I go a step further and talk about what the game has to do to get out of this absurd bubble of 50 people believing they are a crowd.
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@ghostlybg · 
"Splinterlands is NOT fun" says who? Dancing is NOT fun... Drinking is NOT fun... Watching a movie is NOT fun... You might not like the game but it's actually fun for a lot of people. I, in fact, played Hearthstone at a high level for close to 10 years and I ditched it in favor of playing just Splinterlands. Different strokes for different folks...
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@jossduarte · 
It sounds generalist but it is not, if you are a regular player of Splinterlands is because you find it fun and that is fine, it is your opinion about the game; Venezuela is a baseball country, where all the stadiums of the country are constantly full because people find it fun, soccer instead has huge stadiums but the soccer community is not big, and for the rest of Venezuelans it is not fun. What is the point of building a 50,000 person stadium so that only 2000 people attend?.

If the Splinterlands player base is so poor, the question is not if it is fun for you who are part of it, it is if it is fun for those people who decide not to come in and play.
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@wildebunny · 
I strongly agree with you that Splinterlands is not fun. The new game Soulkeep pales in comparison to Crazy Defense Heroes (which also has crypto elements.)

The only people who find Splinterlands fun are people who have not played any other games or hope to derive ROI. (Which is probably still easier to do in Splinterlands.)

Remove the monetary value, who is left?

And, yea, some people will find any game fun, but there are niche indie games too, and I doubt the majority will find those games fun. 

I'm more willing to play Magic the Gathering Arena without earning money than play Splinterlands (after rewards tanked.) And you can argue that it's play to earn too! Because it's theoretically possible to win USD.

Splinterlands as it remains is far too expensive compared to other alternatives. For a tier 1 competitive deck, it's far cheaper in other games. (Sure those games don't have renting, but renting is a copout.)

For Splinterlands to become fun, that would require several fundamental changes, some of which greatly dilute the value of holdings that people have.

I'll throw in one more competitor of the same genre: Teamfight Tactics.

As long as wallet beats skill, I don't think Splinterlands can see mass adoption especially because the cost is so high. But if skill surpasses wallet, then that means, everyone who hasn't sold tanks to near zero.

If anyone wants to make a serious argument to play Splinterlands over any of the competitive games listed, I'm all ears. The argument must not hinge on the possibility of making money.
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@keys-defender · 
Voted!
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@libertycrypto27 ·
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Hi @yabapmatt 
Hive is my favorite blockchain project and Splinterlands is my favorite blockchain game and I have been playing Splinterlands regularly almost every day for over 5 years in addition to being active on Hive.
I will vote yes on this proposal because Splinterlands has done more for Hive than so many other marketing projects that have cost so much and produced no real results.

>We are currently working on improving our onboarding experience to increase the conversion rate from new players signing up through spending money in the ecosystem, and once that is done later this year we are planning to launch a major marketing campaign -- hopefully coinciding with the beginning of the next major bull market in crypto.

At the same time, however, I hope that Splinterlands' policy on bots will change and that bots will finally be fought and eliminated because any marketing campaign about a bots-friendly game will fail.
There is no such thing as a successful game that tolerates bots and it should start from this point otherwise I will keep getting the same and recurring response when I try to promote Splinterlands outside of Hive: why do I have to play in a game full of bots?

I've never done a power down because I still see a lot of potential in Hive and I think Hive is one of the best player-side choices but I also think Hive has one big shortcoming that prevents it from attracting projects and developers: it doesn't have smart contracts...on this point any DHF would have the most support
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@splinterlands · 
> At the same time, however, I hope that Splinterlands' policy on bots will change and that bots will finally be fought and eliminated because any marketing campaign about a bots-friendly game will fail.
There is no such thing as a successful game that tolerates bots and it should start from this point otherwise I will keep getting the same and recurring response when I try to promote Splinterlands outside of Hive: why do I have to play in a game full of bots?

That is exactly what we have been doing. Modern format - the main format of the game and where new players will participate - has had bots banned for a while, and more recently the pass required to play in Wild has helped eliminate a significant portion of the bots from there.
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@libertycrypto27 · 
How can you improve the gaming experience of a new player who enters Splinterlands today, buys Chaos Legion cards to play in the Modern Format with real players like him, and then finds out that when the new set of cards will be released he will be forced to play and use his Chaos Legion cards against bots and bot-farms and will also have to pay a seasonal entry fee (Wild Pass) to play against bots and bot-farms?
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@lordbutterfly · (edited)
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Ill support this ofc. My recommendation would be to try and use some of the money to develop connections in the web3 gaming space, beyond standard marketing practices. 

Also... if you can do try and foster a bit more the idea that the SPL community is in fact a part of the Hive community and in a decentralized ecosystem each of the members are responsible for the wellbeing of it. 
**If Hive fails or succeeds it did so primarily because of all of us that are a part of it."**

Seeing some of these dipshits trash Hive on social media while being a part of Hive seems in direct opposition to the positive changes we all want to see.
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@mattclarke · 
Couldn't agree more. We're a battle-tested DPoS chain genuinely owned by the community. 
I was first drawn to Splinterlands because it's such an excellent demonstration of Hive's capacity.
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@lunaticpandora · 
Splinterlands has my vote.
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@marcocasario ·
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@maximusmx · 
Leading game on Hive and a strong team dedicated to supporting an engaged community.

No brainer for Hive to support from my perspective.  If this community doesn't, it'll be easy for the Splinterlands team to find another chain / ecosystem that does.
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@mdasein · 
Supporting👍
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@mdasein · 
As Hivers we are on the same boat. But why do I feel like this... 
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@michealb · 
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@moeknows ·
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You've got my support. 

I do hope that more splinterlands players become Hive holders as well.
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@museodelcaos ·
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Proposal 315 supported
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@namiks · 
Good luck. Splinterlands deserves this. We need to be supporting actual creations instead of funding rally cars in some field somewhere.
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@nonameslefttouse · (edited)
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It'll be interesting to see if the Splinterlands community itself has enough HP to pass this proposal.

Talking about how other chains offer "better" handouts.  Here the consumer or in this case the *gamer* has the ability to be the provider, and the support (in this case $2777 per day) comes at no real cost to that consumer/community, provided they've staked some HP and participate.  If that potential was fully understood and realized, it becomes clear (at least to me), that deal is hard to beat.

I will not be supporting this proposal.  I don't play the game.  Was never my cup of tea.  I liked seeing it here though.   

Several years and thousands of people.  Surely the Splinterlands community has enough HP to pass this and if not, I'd have to ask all how that's even possible.  For years we're told it brings value to Hive, so where is it?  The amount of fan art I've seen rewarded over the years for example.  Surely rewarding/supporting that endless stream of content (which doubled as free marketing)would lead to receiving support in return for something like this proposal.  Surely a game that paid players just for playing would lead to having the ability to support a proposal like this.  Surely, after all these years, there's something to show for it.  If not, there are some *valuable* lessons to be learned.
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@davemccoy · 
Its interesting that you think that the Splinterlands players should have enough HIVE to be able to pass this on their own. That would mean Splinterlands players have more HIVE than non-Splinterlands HIVE owners.  Please note those players would also own all their ingame Splinterlands assets too.  

Its up to you how you draw your valuable lessons in life, but its kind of a weird way to look at it if you ask me.
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@nonameslefttouse · (edited)
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I don't think it's weird and your defensive tone makes me think you're misinterpreting my intention here.

The decentralized nature affords everyone the opportunity to have a say.  So let's say a gaming community showed up here, on Hive.  Thousands of them, eager to support a new project.  A project that needs funding.  That funding comes at no real cost.  Each individual still owns their HP.  If they want funding, they'd have a better chance of receiving it if they had their own HP.  For instance, why should I support it when I don't even know those people and don't care about their product.  It's not up to me, it's up to them.  Since it's such a great deal and can lead to projects receiving funding, I think this behavior should be encouraged.  

So yes, I stand by my words and think it'll be interesting to see if the Splinterlands community has enough HP to pass this.  It's a valuable lesson in the sense other communities can see how communities and projects get funded here.  That could lead to more interest in the chain and the token.

It's not Hive's fault if this proposal doesn't pass.  The Splinterlands community is at fault.  Hive is an inanimate object.

I don't want to support this because I'd rather encourage and see you all support yourselves.  It's a good deal and should be embraced.  Your success is not my responsibility.

I think there's enough support behind the Splinterlands community to pass this.  If not, well, wtf?  There's thousands of you.  What happened to all the money?  And now you want more?  Those are some of the questions I'd be asking.
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@pokermaria · 
Probably, you don't know, these proposals accepted by approx. 20% of total active HP.

So, since SPL played a big role in the up stick and after the down one, as well, I just suppose, they should have 20% of total active HP.

In reality, I know, they don't have, as they don't really know Hive economy part, never was intention of SPL people to 'educate' them.

I also think, the DHF proposals should have at least 40% total active HP approval rate (more likely 50%+), but Hive in this point of view, simply not decentralized at all.

In that case, people could block the nonsense money flows, like financing racing car, croatian holiday, never seen, hidden Hive movie etc.

Since DHF Hive, money created out of thin air, and put huge sell pressure, it all should go back for ads, marketing, community building, spread word in web2 through influencers, streamers etc.

Whoever get this money, they don't even bother to make a real financial report (look what valueplan, and leofinance is doing), even if they promise. They max make an amatur post without real numbers, details, and they call it professional project management...😂

Lots of people should be SACKED OUT asap from the project management, near to DHF money, even just for having the smallest chance for Hive.

But it's just a buddy circle, (how politicians, big corps, oligarch circles) not a coincidence this Matt guy finish his proposal with the Croatian holiday... i mean wtf real business that have with proposal? nothing.😉

so how things go, just take it, it's a one way street, and who are onboard, in the circle, care about the small amount today in their pocket, not actually use DHF money for the right purpose, and take the big money tomorrow.
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@tarazkp · (edited)
> That would mean Splinterlands players have more HIVE than non-Splinterlands HIVE owners.

No, They would just need enough to get over the return value. 


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@femisapiens · 
I think you misunderstand the situation.

Yes, Splinterlands runs on Hive but most Splinterlanders are completely unaware of and indifferent to the engineering, cos we are playing a game.

I doubt there are many splinterlanders that own any Hive at all.
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@nonameslefttouse · 
And now the Splinterlands community can see several damn good reasons to not be like that anymore.

I'm aware many are somewhat disconnected.  That can easily change.  Becomes a beneficial change for all involved.

If the very people who love the game don't want to support it or contribute to its success, why should I?
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@michealb · 
good to see your still here :)
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@nonameslefttouse ·
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*That actually made me smile.  Thanks.*

good to see you're still here seeing good :)
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@splinterlands ·
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> Surely the Splinterlands community has enough HP to pass this and if not, I'd have to ask all how that's even possible. 

It takes roughly over 15% of the total staked HIVE in the entire system to get a proposal passed, so I think that's an impossibly high bar to expect of any project. I would venture to guess that there is no other project on Hive whose active users have more HP combined than the Splinterlands community.

> For years we're told it brings value to Hive, so where is it?

I directly address this in the post:

*We have purchased millions of HIVE tokens off of external markets, we have burned millions of HIVE tokens to create accounts, we have funded and initially designed and built two of the most widely used tools on the platform - Hive Engine and Hive Keychain - and we have brought thousands of users and tons of attention to the Hive blockchain during that time.*

That being said, if you don't feel that this project has contributed enough to the Hive ecosystem, or will be able to contribute enough in the future, to warrant support from the DHF then I respect your opinion and your decision not to support the proposal.
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@nonameslefttouse · (edited)
> I would venture to guess that there is no other project on Hive whose active users have more HP combined than the Splinterlands community.

This.  I'd be shocked if the Splinterlands community isn't able to push this through.  

I'll hang back.  I don't know enough about Splinterlands and the community.  Sure, you've done some great things in the past.  Currently I'm not even sure if the Splinterlands community wants this.  So I'm waiting to see how everyone feels about it, so I hope they show up.  

My position has already been explained here so I won't repeat myself, and I also don't expect you to read any of it but if you want to, you can.  It'll help clear up where I truly stand on this.

If it gets to the point where everyone has done everything they possibly can and still need help, that's when I'd feel confident supporting this is a good idea.  It would be incredibly irresponsible of me to vote blindly or speak for a community I can't say I'm a part of.

> For years we're told it brings value to Hive, so where is it?

My words again.  The *value* can be observed when your community steps up to help on the day you need them the most.  I want to see them participating in this rather than me participating so they don't have to.   

**P.S. The Hive Keychain Development Proposal is something I already support.**
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@nytehawker · (edited)
Have we come up with a cost break-down of where funding may be funelled? Right now it's probably the biggest thing preventing funding. If @yabamatt can reveal even a basic outline, I believe it will instill some confidence to the wider Hive community to get this to funding. I believe while there are some who may not be swayed, there are more who want to see Splinterlands achieve results seen previously to the benefit of the Hive community but lack a little information to appease their concerns. I as one have invested significantly into Hive because I found Splinterlands and discovered Hive. Maybe Hivers need some reassurance that Splinterlands is great for Hive. I am in Hive personally because of Splinterlands. I love both Splinterlands and Hive and hope my small input would help see others realise the impact Splinterlands has had and why we need to continue to support this project as part of the wider Hive Chain.
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@peanutpie100 ·
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"new players signing up through spending money in the ecosystem" until the Season Pass is removed to play in Wild this will only happen for a short while until new players realise that their cards are worthless once 2 new packs are released. They will then also abandon this game just like many of the original (up to now) loyal players who are now regarding this game as a scam & rug pull & the vast sums they spent as lost
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@davideownzall ·
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Well said!
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@pnc ·
$0.06
I support @splinterlands. Hive is design for collaboration and we need to use our resource effectivelly. The VSC project will bring smart contract capability to Hive and it will help Hive compete with other chains. Love to see DeFi, NFTs, Runes, GameFi, RWA-Fi (aka HP Finance) on Hive.
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@pompeylad · 
The game has been completely mismanaged for years, rather than directly ban bots you completely broke the game economy with poor decisions that forced people to leave. I personally think this should'nt pass with the current state of the game, no point throwing good money after bad. Its not like droves of people are coming to Hive for splinterlands anymore, 500k would be better spent(wisely) on marketing for Hive.
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@peanutpie100 · 
Exactly. If this proposal was to fund the KYC process to get rid of bots rather than the ridiculous Season Pass to play wild it might get support from the wider community. Having said that we all know it will pass anyway thanks to the whales who don't actually care about anything except pushing smaller accounts out of wild (or the game in total) so they can have an easier win.
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@reeta0119 · 
I supported this proposal.
I want Splinterlands to stay in the hive and do well. I remember 2021 when things were great in the game.
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@renovatio · 
I don't understand how Splinterlands is a project with negative ARR. Incredible.
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@rivalzzz ·
$0.46
**Thank you Matt for the proposal**, which is obviously very important for the future of the project. In general, I like to support projects, whether old or new - with this proposal, which involves a large, long-term daily sum, I would like to get a few questions answered or ask questions that seem important to me and possibly others too:

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> but if we're unable to raise the capital we need from the DHF and/or other investors who support us staying here, then it is possible we could be forced to do so at some point in the future.

So if the proposal doesn't turn out in favor of Splinterlands, how strong is the development team behind Splinterlands to convert all assets, tokens, NFTs and core smart contracts to another chain and would the costs for this even be affordable?

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> This year we are planning to launch a major marketing campaign - hopefully coinciding with the beginning of the next major bull market in crypto.

Should users who are for or against this proposal expect to find out more details about the marketing plans? These should already exist.

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> hiring a top web3 marketer and running a number of marketing and promotional campaigns to bring a significant amount of attention and active, paying users to the Hive blockchain through Splinterlands.

If another agency or whoever is hired here and this is being passed off as a marketing campaign through the Splinterlands books, shouldn't detailed payment details be included here if the primary goal of the proposal is marketing?

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There are many open questions that many people have accumulated over the long term of Splinterlands and are specifically expanded upon with this proposal, so I'm looking forward to talking to you personally in Split about such topics.
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@splinterlands · 
> So if the proposal doesn't turn out in favor of Splinterlands, how strong is the development team behind Splinterlands to convert all assets, tokens, NFTs and core smart contracts to another chain and would the costs for this even be affordable?

We have no intention of moving off of Hive whether or not this proposal passes. If the DHF chooses not to support us, then it is more likely that we will at some point be forced to sell the company or take in investment from outside sources who may want to move the game to another chain, at which point I will not be able to prevent that. In those cases the funds and resources to move will come from the purchaser/investor.

> Should users who are for or against this proposal expect to find out more details about the marketing plans? These should already exist.

I am not a marketer and we do not have any marketers on the team currently, so we do not have a specific plan for marketing. The goal is to use these funds to hire an experienced web3 specific marketing person or company who we will work with to build out a marketing and promotional plan which we can then share with the community and implement.

> If another agency or whoever is hired here and this is being passed off as a marketing campaign through the Splinterlands books, shouldn't detailed payment details be included here if the primary goal of the proposal is marketing?

This is not a proposal to implement a specific marketing plan. This proposal is to provide general funding to the Splinterlands company and we will use those funds in the way that we feel gives us the best chance of success. We currently believe that will be via a significant marketing campaign as we mentioned, but ultimately it will be up to the company to decide how the funds will be used.
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@rtonline · 
Hive is my favorite blockchain and Splinterlands is my favorite game, and I'm happy to be a part of both. I believe Splinterlands should remain on the Hive blockchain. I supported the proposal.
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@seattlea ·
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In order to survive Splinterlands needs some serious funding. This is a very modest ask, I think 3 million Hive would have been a good start... Obviously Matt knows better and I fully support his proposal.
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@sharkmonsters · 
The daily HDF budget is 230,572.290 HBD, which means this proposal is asking for only a small fraction of that and people are acting like it's a huge ask. Splinterlands is one of the biggest things Hive has going for it at this point. This seems like an easy decision, but what do I know?
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@shmoogleosukami · 
@yabapmatt Would it be possible to update this proposal with a break down of current operating costs and revenue of the company? So we can see just how bad/good thing are and gauge roughly how much would end up keeping splinterlands afloat and how much would actually get spent on marketing.

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@sodom-lv · 
I definitely support Splinterlands on this proposal.
Just want to know where is the link to vote for?
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@anjanida · 
To the best of luck, I'm in. Here are all proposals https://peakd.com/me/proposals/splinterlands

!invest_vote
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@sodom-lv · 
Thanks for sharing :) 
I did my part
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@solominer ·
$1.84
You got my vote.. thanks to @azircon for reminding me.
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@spiritsurge · (edited)
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Pay us or else we move!! is what I am reading. I feel the words can be better phrased as "we will be forced to pursue other chains alongside hive." I understand that you are VC-backed, but if investment is your concern, then you need to be more clear on how the funds are going to be used to avoid any future mismanagement. To be clear, no one is asking for specifics, but a general use of funds: X for marketing, X for development. 

Also, while I absolutely adore what you and aggroed have made since it introduced me to Hive and set me on the path of game development, it pains me to say that the ask is too much. 

We have a full Windows launcher, an interactive Windows game and another roguelike coming at the end of this month with mobile releases coming next month, and this is at a fraction of your ask. Games in web3 take money, yes, but I have seen more cases of mismanagement, and I feel that if you are sincere about not repeating mistakes, you will share with us more details on what you are going to do with the funds and how you are going to ensure no misuse.

If this is uncomfortable, then that should not be the case, as you have obviously made pitch decks to investors, and they ask for even more details.

I truly wish for a revival for Spl, but I love Hive more than Spl.
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@geneeverett · 
Everything u said!    I am so against this. It’s a for profit company and this just isn’t gonna end well.
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@splinterlands ·
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> Pay us or else we move!! is what I am reading.

That may be what you're reading, but that's not what was written or at all what was intended or what is the reality. We have no plans to move off of Hive whether or not we get support from the DHF, however it is important to understand that if we are not able to support the game on Hive going forward then it's quite possible that we may be forced to move by a future investor or purchaser.

> I have seen more cases of mismanagement, and I feel that if you are sincere about not repeating mistakes, you will share with us more details on what you are going to do with the funds and how you are going to ensure no misuse.

Yes, it was seriously mismanaged which is what got us in this position. Since then, the company leadership has completely changed for precisely that reason. I don't know how we "ensure no misuse", but since the change in leadership we have reduced expenses immensely, stopped putting resources into anything except the core Splinterlands game product, and are working on improving the onboarding experience so we can start running marketing and promotional campaigns to bring more users to the game, and therefore to Hive.
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@geneeverett · (edited)
It's definitely the impression I got.  Respectfully you are a for profit company who's been around for 7 years. If it's not profitable now it's likely not going to be later. Respectfully a for profit biz shouldn't be getting these funds.  Respectfully my opinion 

Not to mention in reply above you admit funds at your company were totally mismanaged!  This is crazy
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@splinterbin · 
Personally I like this chain over other chains even over those big chains.  

Especially like the IP of GLS, but unfortunately and sadly, so far it's far away from even its half potential which it's supposed to be. Players are leaving,less and less people are showing up in the community even the dev teams.
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@stayoutoftherz ·
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I would vote for it, if you are more transparent on how *exactly* the money is spent, with monthly reports at least and also forecasts. I know that level of transparancy is not usual, but I guess before a VC gives you a million he also wants to see some solid data first.
Without, the 500K could fizzle out like a drop in the ocean and in half a year you are nowhere and will ask for more.
By the way profits. Why not use some of your significant profits first, before asking from the community?
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@splinterlands · 
> I guess before a VC gives you a million he also wants to see some solid data first

It depends on the VC of course, but often VCs are actually betting on the founder or company leadership to figure out how to best use the funds to be successful rather than asking for very specific breakdowns of how the money is spent. We prefer to be able to be flexible with how we choose to use the funds as things change rapidly and it's very hard to predict what will be the best use of funds ahead of time. We provided a general overview of our growth plan, and we will use the funds in the way we think is best in order to achieve those goals.

> By the way profits. Why not use some of your significant profits first, before asking from the community?

We have unfortunately run through almost all of our profits over the past couple of years as mentioned in the "how we got here" section of the post. Asking for help from the community is a last resort and one that I am extremely saddened that we have had to resort to.
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@stayoutoftherz · 
The @steemmonsters account alone is worth almost 350K$. So you won´t touch it at all but ask for 500K from the fund?
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@stekene · 
Got several questions but my biggest question is: Which guarantees do we have that Splinterlands won't move away after they have received the funding? I don't think it would be after 6months, but maybe after a year or 2 or... ?

You seem to bank on the next bullrun which would happen later this year, what if it won't come (yet)? What's the plan?

You speak about marketing, when I would ask such a sum, I would try to explain in detail what the plan for the money is. Why 500k, what are you gonna do exactly with the amount?

Anyway, I like it that you atleast admit that bad decisions have been made, acknowledging such a thing isn't easy. Kudos for that! 🙌
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@splinterlands · 
> Which guarantees do we have that Splinterlands won't move away after they have received the funding?

We certainly can't guarantee anything. We have no plans to move off of Hive whether or not we receive support from the DHF, but the reality of the situation is that we could be forced to if we have to sell the company or take in outside investment. If the DHF supports us, it reduces the chances of that happening, but it is always still a possibility.

> You seem to bank on the next bullrun which would happen later this year, what if it won't come (yet)? What's the plan?

The plan is the same no matter what happens with the crypto market - try to build the best product we can and promote and market it as efficiently as possible. Obviously crypto market bullishness makes that easier and more likely to succeed, but the plan is the same in either case.

> You speak about marketing, when I would ask such a sum, I would try to explain in detail what the plan for the money is. Why 500k, what are you gonna do exactly with the amount?

Our plan is to use the funding in whatever way we feel is best to grow the game and return to profitability so we will never again need to ask for help. Things change rapidly and opportunities come and go, so it's hard to say specifically what the funds will be use for beyond our general plan to improve the onboarding experience and begin running marketing and promotional campaigns.

The 500k number was based on looking at what we need for operating expenses, what we would need to hire a good marketing person/agency, and what we thought would be a reasonable ask for the DHF.
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@subtlesage · (edited)
What were the recent mistakes and what have you learned from them? 

This article does not at all give enough information to deserve funding. You are asking for a lot of money and anyone with a critical thought in their head would ask you to work much harder than this for funds. 

What if you continue to fail after funding is approved and you move anyway? Can you give guarantees that won't happen?
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@splinterlands · 
> What were the recent mistakes and what have you learned from them?

This was addressed in the post in the "How we got here" section. Had we remained focused on Splinterlands and not building a million other products and conserved funds rather than spending them all under the assumption that a bull market would continue we would not be in this position right now.

That had been my (@yabapmatt) position all along, but I was not the CEO at the time and not in a position to make those decisions. Now that I am, I am doing what I can to turn things around and I will not make those mistakes.

> anyone with a critical thought in their head would ask you to work much harder than this for funds.

We have been working hard for 6 years now, and I believe we have done quite a lot to benefit Hive over that time.

> What if you continue to fail after funding is approved and you move anyway? Can you give guarantees that won't happen?

That is always a possibility, and no one can guarantee success. Obviously we have a higher chance of being successful here on Hive if we have additional funding, but it is up to the Hive stakeholders to decide if the potential benefits outweigh the potential risks.
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@sudeon ·
$0.02
I hope this would pass. Matt has a clear vision for the future and Hive would definitely benefit if Splintelands succeed.
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@swarminvestment · 
Matt, with all due respect for what you´ve created, you´re way to much focused on a technically perfect product and you are neglecting basic business principles. 

this proposal is the best proof for it. You´re trying to get money from the hive community because you´re so stuck in the vision of a technically perfect product. 

Yes I agree. Hive is the best possible chain from a product and user perspective - and that makes it to the absolute worst chain for business.
 
There are multiple VCs that are not locked to certain chains and even those won´t invest into splinterlands. Because they put business first - and you can´t do good business on hive in the needed scale. The entire structure of it isn´t primed for that. 

Take splinterlands off hive. Find someone to help you in the bussines managment tasks and that can help you identify the biggest synergy between a technically perfect product and a product that sells. 

You´ve build argubly the best product in the play2earn ecospace. Now for the love of god go find a way to sell it. 
You won´t be able to do that by getting money from hive, that is basically dependend on splinterlands, just to push more money into developing the technically perfect product. This circle isn´t the phonix rising, it´s the tombstone.
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@peanutpie100 ·
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Pay to Play you mean cos this is definitely not Play to Earn anymore with the season pass for wild.
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@yamashitaren · 
100% agree. Crypto money will never come to SPL if it stays on Hive, which at this point IS "SPL-chain".

So what's the goal? Staying on Hive as long as you can be sufficient? Or make the game successful?

Since I joined, I have always been convinced that SPL biggest issue was Hive. We even moved from a "free" bridge to a paying bridge. Now people pay a tax to Terablock if they want to bring money to the SPL ecosystem.
The reason SPL took-off is because of the SPS airdrop. The reason SPS gained value is that it had been released on BSC during the p2e craze. I would never have joined SPL if I knew that SPS being on BSC was only a marketing gimmick and that the game had extreme ties to Hive instead.
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@cmplxty ·
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Sorry but you've got 16 Hive Power and you've been here since September 2021, almost 3 years at this point. You have a vote yes, but I don't really think your opinion of Hive can hold any water since clearly you're not invested in the chain at all.
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@pharesim · 
You say Hive is SPL chain, but the SPL community is struggling to mobilize less than 10% of the existing stake for a vote. Math doesn't math.
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@therealwolf · (edited)
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To clarify a few things, as myself and the project I'm building were somehow mentioned in this proposal:

The primary reason I chose EVM over Hive is fundamental. Hive does not support EVM smart contracts - yet. Smart contracts are the backbone of decentralized games, and EVM is the de facto standard VM. One could build their own L2s, but that's a lot of redundant work. Ethgard Legends is currently on the Base testnet, but it could technically be Arbitrum, Ronin, Oasis, or any other L2/L3 EVM-compatible chain. I've also not received any grants from Base. Their only incentives so far are gas-credits.

The secondary reason is that I believe EVM is the future, and becoming a proficient Solidity Smart Contract Developer has been a personal goal of mine for a few years.

Now, to also clear up any confusion about the rebranding to Ethgard Legends:

The primary reason the game rebranded from Splinter Royale to Ethgard Legends, besides the clear lack of funding and support, was for independence. As you can see from the new proposals, the future of Splinterlands is sadly uncertain. While I hope everything works out, building a game is difficult. Add in the technical challenges of Web3, and it's even more difficult. Making the game also dependent on another ecosystem, where the "mother-game" is struggling itself, is quite simply too much.

With this said, Hive is still like family to me. Being dragged into this as an argument, as the first official response and mention from Splinterlands to the project I've been working on for over a year, would be funny - if it weren't so sad.

PS: I know that VSC is being built on top of Hive which has planned EVM support. I appreciate their work - I really do. But for Ethgard Legends, I need a production ready EVM-compatible L2/L3 **now**, not in a few months or a year.
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@lordbutterfly ·
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@moeknows · 
I appreciate the explanation here.
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@splinterlands ·
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I was only trying to highlight what I believe was a big missed opportunity. Both Hive and Splinterlands should have done more to keep your project here.
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@tiesparious · 
Yup, and instead of building out your own L2 on Hive, you could also use ZK Rollup on Polygon (via their CDK) or an L3 solution.
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@tiesparious · 
**Personally, @splinterlands @yabapmatt I hope this proposal does not get approved because I believe Splinterlands deserves better.** 

# Actions Speak Louder than Words
Hive has shown over the years that they have not taken the necessary steps to market, promote, and incentivize the developer community to build on its blockchain. Unfortunately, the writing is already on the wall.

# Go Where Your Valued
There are much bigger players out there spending REAL MONEY to fight to become one of the top blockchains in the space. As Splinterlands has yet to launch their validators to fully decentralize their game, this is a perfect time to migrate the Splinterlands ecosystem to another blockchain that better values your community and their own blockchains growth. 

# There Are Better Alternatives
Although HIVE may be better from a technical perspective, that often never results in a project becoming the winner. **User experience and marketing trumps technical capabilities every time.** Splinterlands is a game targeting mass adoption, and to effectively do that, the game needs to easily onboard non-crypto users via various methods such as account abstraction, greater Web3 accessibility, scalability, and mobile-first user experiences. Solana, Base, and even Polygon are focusing their efforts to meet these needs for their users and developers. 

# The time has come to part ways...
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@jaki01 · (edited)
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Upvoted, because I don't like it if users get downvoted just because of having different opinions.
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@pharesim · 
Enjoy paying a tx fee for every move in the game.

Or they could just finally ditch the promises of decentralization, not having validators after 6 years is unacceptable, why even keep pretending. Just run the game on their own servers too.
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@trudgencia · 
I can't afford to donate much but I can start playing the game and support it that was as well.
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@trumpman · (edited)
What if you fail? Will you ask for another half million? Will you ditch hive anyways? Maybe we will get farming farm the sequel?
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@splinterlands · 
> What if you fail? Will you ask for another half million? Will you ditch hive anyways?

Failure is always a possibility, and I will not ask the Hive community for additional help if we fail to deliver this time, nor do I expect that such a request would be approved anyway. As for "ditching" hive, we have no plans to move off of Hive no matter what happens with this proposal, however if we're unable to support ourselves and need to sell the company or raise outside investment we may be forced to, which is what I am worried about.

Getting funding from the DHF reduces the chances that that will happen, but it still remains a risk. It is up to the Hive community if that is a risk they want to take.
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@tsnaks ·
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Splinterlands was multiple times the biggest DApp in the HIVE Ecosystem at it's peak and to this day it's easily the front runner Game DApp on HIVE.


I'm biased as I own a lot of Splinterlands assets myself, but Splinterlands definitely deserves support from Hive for what it offers back to the community.

Very strong community, lovely people, great team and an amazing product.

I play Splinterlands every single day!
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@untilwelearn · 
I don't know much about proposals and how this whole ecosystem works but I know that Splinterlands is undoubtedly the best web3 game ever. Hence my support will always be with you.😊🙏
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@ura-soul · (edited)
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Hi Matt, I'm glad to hear you are doing what you can to stay on Hive - the absence of optimal marketing has long been a massive hindrance to the value and growth of Hive generally, so I am always interested to make the most of any move in that direction.

As you may recall, I launched a proposal via @strategizer not so long ago that aimed to perform crucially needed market research in order to establish some baselines for future marketing drives, not only of Hive itself but also for the various dApps. In general, the dApp creators supported the idea and voted for it - but in the end it didn't get funded. Unfortunately, I found it very difficult to even get any feedback from some of the larger stakeholders. 

As I recall, I didn't receive any comments or input from anyone at Splinterlands and although Aggroed just apologised to me for that yesterday, I would like to gain clarity and clear a few things up before voting on your proposal. I obviously want Hive and Splinterlands to thrive - especially since I worked for quite a while on marketing Splinterlands TV.

a. I found during my drive to promote @strategizer, that there is a massively obviously divide among Hive users when it comes to marketing. There are those who do not have any professional experience in the field and who think it's fine to just brainstorm and hope for the best.. and there are those who have learned from the extremely well established digital marketing industry norms that while experimentation is all well and good, it is necessary to operate within a framework that is grounded in the scientific method and that is prepared with some degree of research, in order to not waste the marketing budget.
It is not an exaggeration to say that the divide here is extreme to me and in some cases it is highly alarming that so much budget is being spent based on whims and vague concepts.
I know that you have said that you want to use the DHF funds to pay for an external marketing agency - however, the funds given to ignite marketing previously are a clear example of how this can actually lead to next to zero benefit. This is, to my mind, partially due to the complexity of web 3 and the willingness of agencies to take money regardless of whether they really know what they are doing or not. The best way to handle this is to ensure a continual process of close monitoring, analysis and refinement right throughout the marketing and growth process. I know from experience that many agencies are nowhere near cut out for this, yet to the untrained eye they seem very professional.
Can you provide me with any insights into how you intend to tackle these issues and also explain whether or not you are open to feedback from the Hive community on such high level decisions as which agency to use - or at least which priorities to focus on when picking one?

b. I don't know if you are aware, but Inleo's marketing proposal, which was funded a few months ago, was based on the idea that they would repay the funds if they didn't achieve certain growth goals - are you open to that kind of approach with your proposal?

c. I personally think that what Hive needs as a high priority is a rock solid on-boarding system that has professionally written educational text and videos built-in which leave no room for misunderstanding when new users approach Hive and try to orient and set up a presence. Are you open to developing this kind of feature set for Splinterlands and open sourcing it so that other dApps can also benefit and everyone can combine forces to grow the eco-system in multiple directions at once? 

Thanks for your time Sir!
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@yabapmatt ·
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Hey @ura-soul, great to hear from you! I am very sorry I missed your proposal. Please feel free to reach out to me directly in the future if something like that comes up, or anything else really.

I know first hand about how expensive and completely ineffective "marketing agencies" can be. When the SPS token first launched we hired a marketing agency to promote it for a little while and it was exactly as you said. I prefer to hire someone directly who is part of the Splinterlands team to lead the marketing effort rather than an external agency. This person would be responsible for working with the rest of the Splinterlands team and the community (which is our biggest asset) to figure out how to make the largest impact with the least expense.

Since taking over Splinterlands last September one of my top priorities has been massively reducing our expenses and squeezing as much value as possible out of everything we spend. I would never just throw money at a marketing agency. The future of the company, my livelihood, and my reputation are on the line here.

Assuming we get the funds to do so, whether from the DHF or elsewhere, we will interview a lot of people (and possibly some agencies) to try to find someone who I am confident is an expert in web3 marketing specifically and who will think outside the box and come up with new and creative ways to get very obvious and significant results. We've also already been working on implementing a lot more analytics and tracking within the game to make sure we can quickly and easily measure the results of anything we do and I will cut the cord quickly on anything, or anyone, that isn't getting results.

As for your two specific questions:

1. Repaying the funds isn't something we can realistically do. We are going to need to spend the funds on the marketing efforts, so if it turns out to be unsuccessful at achieving the growth we are looking for, we simply won't have $500k available to repay. I understand that this is a risk for the Hive community. The proposal is asking for an investment that has potential risk as well as potential reward. Ultimately it all comes down to whether the Hive community thinks the reward (i.e. a highly successful application on Hive that brings in lots of users and attention) is worth the risk, and whether or not they feel the Splinterlands team can deliver.

2. I really think that the best way forward is for the vast majority of new users to onboard through an app, like Splinterlands, rather than onboarding to Hive more generally as most Hive users do today. That experience is typically pretty different depending on the app, but I am very open to at least open-sourcing the back-end code that we build to help other apps build similar onboarding experiences. Once users onboard to Splinterlands, which includes creating their Hive wallet, setting up Keychain, etc., then over time they will be exposed to more and more of the Hive ecosystem which I think is more natural. Not sure if you saw the [follow-up post to the proposal](https://peakd.com/splinterlands/@splinterlands/splinterlands-dhf-proposal-follow-up) but in there we specify that we plan to teach players the basics of Hive and encourage them to explore the ecosystem as part of our revamped onboarding process.

Hope that helps. I understand that this is a big proposal, and definitely no hard feelings if you (or anyone else) decide that it's not a good opportunity for the DHF. No matter how this turns out we'll still be here doing what we can to try to build a breakout web3 game on the Hive blockchain. Also, not sure if you're going to Hive fest but if you are it would be great to catch up in person.
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@ura-soul · 
Hey Matt, thanks for replying here.
I actually did message you directly about the strategizer proposal via Discord, as that's the only point of contact I had - also Aggroed, but got no replies. Is there a better place to message you? I don't think I'm part of the Splinterlands slack any more.

Can you clarify what you meant when you said that you would hire someone from within the Splinterlands team? Maybe I am misunderstanding, but wouldn't they already be being paid by Splinterlands? Do you mean that you want to direct someone from your existing team to then find an external agency?

As I mentioned numerous times during the Strategizer discussions, I am all for DHF money being used to market Hive, but as someone with a few years of experience marketing online (plus having also built my own social network previously), it's very clear to me why the significant spends to date have not achieved anything measurable (and the people involved continue to employ the same thinking). So it was especially frustrating to see the community reject the only logical step to correct this (an internally directed research project). I know that your business depends on your actions here and also know that having a centralised effort is beneficial in these situations to direct energy and get tasks completed - so on this alone I expect you guys to do better than Hive itself has done so far.

I have tried to on-board numerous people to Hive, even people with crypto experience - I even wrote them guides.. None of them are users today. I see that part of this is caused by the complete failure of all Hive sites to provide education about the blockchain and UI systems - leaving users confused and de-motivated. At some point I will solve this myself if no-one else does.

Sure, I will probably be at Hivefest - yes, I agree, it would be great to meet again. We actually chatted a while over dinner in Poland IIRC. Thanks for reminding me actually, I need to book some tickets! ;)

I look forward to your response here. Cheers!
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