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I know some people would like downvotes to go away, but they are essential to deal with inevitable abuse. The situation is different to Youtube as there the company can remove content that breaks the rules. We can just remove rewards. In some cases that can seem cruel, but I have seen plenty where 'rancho' gave a big vote and we know that is controlled by haejin who does not care about the good of Hive. He was driven away after selfishly making a fortune from self voting. If you do get a rancho vote then there is a chance it may be cancelled out to give a better rewards distribution. Meanwhile some other people are allowed to keep much bigger rewards, so it looks unfair. Some of those people have done a lot for Hive and whales may think they deserve payment for it. I do not think it is about keeping small accounts down. I would not expect to see a radical change to how downvotes work. We can each use our HP as we see fit. I have done my share of downvoting to deal with blatant abuse, but will not generally use it for differences of opinion. Others may have different ideas and they have the freedom to act as they see fit. It does seem some people do not really understand how Hive is intended to work. There are finite rewards to share out and our votes just allow us to have a say in that. If I make more then others make less and I do not take rewards for granted. I think most whales have good intentions for Hive as it is in their interest for it to do well, but some of them are keen to build something special too. Hive is imperfect and may not seem fair, but where else does everyone have a chance to earn something?
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It is definitely a love/hate relationship with the downvote system. In my opinion, the problem is that curation accounts with a huge amount of delegated HP don't have to think twice about their downvotes, because they don't generate income from posts. Most of the people use downvotes sparingly for sure, but do we have a system to deal with downvote abuse?
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Opinions on what is considered abuse may vary. I think it is best to have the freedom to do what we want. If you don't like what a curation account does then don't delegate to it, but then many will prefer to keep whatever income they get from that. Any account can give out less downvotes than upvotes, so I don't think it's the big problem some make it out to be. If you see someone get downvotes you think are unfair then support them with your votes.
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Yes, I agree with you, downvotes are somewhat necessary to deal with abusers (spammers, plagiarizers, etc). The fact that some accounts use their HP to support whatever they want regardless of the quality, well, that's out of our hands if we advocate for true freedom of speech. As you say, if the downvoting seems rather unfair it can be balanced out with upvotes. I think it's a matter of education, to maintain a healthy environment here on Hive. The fewer people use downvotes to express disagreement with other people's opinions, the fewer people will complain about the unfairness of downvotes.
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> I have done my share of downvoting to deal with blatant abuse, but will not generally use it for differences of opinion. Others may have different ideas and they have the freedom to act as they see fit. Blatant abuse and differences of opinion are probably the main reasons why people use a downvoting feature. Maybe we need to add one more feature called the abuse or report it as spam. Also as you mentioned nothing is perfect and we can collectively and individually continue to empower the creator economy with Hive and be always be open to discuss different ideas and opinions. Posted Using [LeoFinance <sup>Beta</sup>](https://leofinance.io/@nathanmars/re-steevc-3tju8j)
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I know some people DV due to 'disagreement with rewards' and that can be a tricky one to argue unless it seems that people have conspired to vote up a low effort/value post. There is no agreement on what any post is worth, but that is what votes are supposed to decide. Accounts like rancho throw a spanner in the works. We don't know what his criteria are. Some people won't comment when they downvote, but then they are not forced to. I get that it can feel like a gut punch when you get a big downvote, but it's part of the wild west of Hive.
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