For me, it has always seemed funny that people are so worked up about immigration lately.  There are so many jobs that are being unfilled for an number of reasons.  If immigrants are happy to fill those jobs, why would we deny that.  Sadly, I think a lot of it actually has nothing to do with jobs or money, but a large number of (white) people in the US feel like they are becoming the minority and that doesn't sit well with them.  It all seems pretty irrelevant to me, but who knows...

How long can they keep the ponzi going, or does it all fall down when the social fabric comes apart?

The problem with the type of immigration we are seeing is that the country is going to change too drastically.  Muslim as a religion is not compatible with the West and where the real problem lies. If they were Christian this would not be seen as such a huge problem and why I believe there has to be a major uprising and serious bloodshed on the horizon. Our values are not the same as what is being imported into Europe and the intention is very clear of what the end game is.

As an immigrant, grandson of an immigrant on one side and great-great-grandson of an immigrant on the other side, I agree: it's a super complex issue all around, eh? Interesting to hear Finland is having problems with the birth rate too. Of course Japan famously has been having this problem for yers, but I wonder if the rest of the developed world has caught up, so to speak. Most years it is still a slight negative here, with more deaths than births—and virtually no immigration, so society is shrinking, but I think it has also stopped falling as dramatically as many feared, even with the massive inflation of the past few years. 

> All that matters, is the balance sheet, and the bottom line that provides them their profits.

Screaming the quiet part out loud. Screw these jerks!

I've often thought about immigrating myself... not for money, but rather to make the money I have stretch further. Economies like Vietnam and Cambodia would allow me a more relaxed way of life as less money is needed to keep up my current way of life. Well, except for all the weed smoke. Breaking the law over there is a scary proposition!

It is ironic that my country has so many minerals and the largest oil reserve in the world, but the salary is not even enough to buy a whole chicken. It is ridiculous, that is why more than 7 million people have emigrated and in the coming years if the dictatorship continues the numbers will increase, nobody wants to leave their country, but they have to do whatever it takes to raise their family.

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Pensions and taxes are the main reasons governments want immigrants because without more people paying in they can’t pay out (without highly unpopular moves like additionally heavily taxing retirees, consumers and businesses)

As mentioned elsewhere, there are a lot of jobs that 3rd+ generation people won’t do, at least for minimum wage.

It’s been proven time and again that migrants are more law abiding and less violent, pay more in taxes than they extract, plus have on average a better work ethic. They also tend to be over qualified for the jobs they accept.

The reasons against almost always come down to racism and “replacement” fears.

It’s funny how in Canada we never faced any suspicion despite our obviously non Canadian accent. Strange huh?

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I am an immigrant to US as well. I think US has a much smaller problem with immigrants, this is a huge county with growing population and lots of room to grow. Yet, I think some politicians are definitely exploiting the issue. For example Trump with his "They are eating our dogs and cats" and "Build the wall" :) The wall isn't really going to help the issue and the eating cats and dogs was definitely not true. But democrats are not any better with their extreme left policies of forcing gender propaganda in schools, paying people to incentivize them to make more babies instead of getting education and career, etc. Both political parties in US are basically working for the big corporations and nobody really gives a sh*t about the people.

On a more positive side I think this is the first time I beat you in Splinterlands :) 
https://splinterlands.com/battle/sl_562149f7b523efb5083e59dc43c8fe57?ref=seattlea 

True facts.    You can't separate immigrants from the money equation.    The immigrants may come for a better life but  they  are *allowed* (by governments) entrance according to the economic needs of the receiving country.   Beyond that it seems as though they just don't give a shit

Corporations are greedy, politicos are venial and lazy, people are short sighted and easily manipulated.

Rather than *force* their administrators to do a better job, enact wise policies, manage public resources prudently,control the naked greed of corporations ,most people fall into complaining and directing their anger in the wrong direction.

Why do is see migrant centres being attacked and firebombed, but not the houses of parliament ?

Divide and rule. 

And what is a migrant anyway ? , somebody who wasn't born in your country ?, so what. The problem isn't the person, they will work, they will contribute, they will pay their share, it's the policies that manage the entire situation that allow longstanding failings to continue.

As someone from a country whose biggest export is migrants (Ireland), someone who left home at 18 for better economic opportunities, it sickens me to see the reaction of Irish people to migrants currently. I had every opportunity in my adopted country, it took me a while to get going, but eventually I ended up employing others and generating more in taxes paid on aggregate than I earned myself. I brought up my children to be well rounded adults, contributing members of society.

People are angry, yes, but would they be so angry if their politicos managed domestic affaires better, were not corrupt, self serving and venial. If public policies managed migration sensibly, invested in public infrastructure (have you seen the rail network in Ireland!!, its a shambles) and didn't fall back to beating the same old drum every election cycle.

Migrants are used as a scapegoat, a smokescreen, it's a story as old as humanity.

There will always be barbarians at the gate, if you believe that, well, you've been used and your lack of reasoning is the real issue 💑

There can be many reasons for migration. It can be economic, security, health. Most people want to live in countries with high welfare levels and rightfully migrate to settle there.

Governments do not care about most things. Therefore, their influence and authority over society should be reduced.