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When conditions were good
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Over coffee at work today, a colleague was speaking about their daughter moving out of the house so that she can be independent - although, it looks like she is still going to be relying on her parents for some time to come. This is quite common these days and it led into a discussion about the past and the future of personal finances. 

While it is easy to blame the younger generations for their poor financial habits, there is more to the story than that, as conditions aren't exactly favorable for the average person to build wealth. 

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After the Second World War, times of economic growth potential were plentiful, as the world rebuilt and adjusted and automation became common place, dropping the price of production and encouraging widespread consumption increase - changing the collective mindset from saving to spending, the scarcity of the near-past forgotten. Over the last forty-odd years, there has been a large increase in financial mechanisms and vehicles that has been responsible for a massive amount of wealth generation, as the money that had been made was looking for passive ways to gather more to it. *Money attracts money.*

This has worked out well for those with financial availability, while those without who missed the opportunity to generate and invest, have continued to fall behind. While the baby-boomers inherited from their parents in conditions favorable to generate more, the growing consumer habits and rent seeking activities have eroded the ownership value and therefore, reduced the *hand-me-down* economy for many, but not all. We can see this in the increasing speed of  concentration of wealth into fewer hands, with the disparity so extreme, that the difference between the top of the 1% and the bottom of the 1% is greater than the difference between the bottom of the 1% and the bottom. 

Money still attracts money, it is just that fewer people have it available, which is why we are seeing society rebel in various ways, as while many of us might not fully understand the economics of it, we can *feel* that we aren't playing on a level playing field - and it *keeps tilting* in the favor of those who already have resources. the situation is untenable and will lead to increased volatility, surmounting in collapse across economies and societies.

What we do about this as individuals is the question that needs to be answered, even though many are looking for the solution to come from governments and the wealthy, as if they are incentivized to change the process. As I was discussing with my colleague, I see the only viable solution as people building their ownership portfolio, which means creating some level of financial availability, fighting the urge to consume and, investing it into wealth generating activities consistencies instead.

This is a long road and a slow journey, but if the wealth distribution can start to be diversified, the money attracts money shift will change direction, with fractions of wealth starting to collect in places it hasn't before. Crypto of course plays a role in this distribution of wealth, as it gives a new mechanism and financial vehicle that allows pretty much anyone to take part, starting from near zero, or zero as is the case for many Hive users. As the wealth starts to gather on blockchains, it will start to attract more momentum and velocity with each passing block. 

Ownership is something that we each need to explore, including the implications we will likely face if we do not have it. We can see that we have built a world where there are increasingly large head starts for a small portion of the world, while everyone else is increasingly lagging behind, with no access to the same toolkit of possibility. If we don't do this, generation after generation will see an increasing gap form with a decreasing ability to cope and manage with it. Yet, because the challenge seem insurmountable, most will opt-out of the responsibility and say, *it isn't my problem.*

But, since we live in a globalized world and rely on each other in an uncountable number of ways - *it really is our problem.* We can already feel it. 

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@abitcoinskeptic ·
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>While it is easy to blame the younger generations for their poor financial habits, there is more to the story than that, as conditions aren't exactly favorable for the average person to build wealth.

These are two different things. You address the changes well.

Asides from finance and globalization (both systems started post WW2 and continue their relentless march), I think there are two things to add you left out entirely:
- Increasing population combined with increasing pollution and resource scarcity. Whether things are equal or not, we have a dirtier smaller pie to share with more people.
- The nature of the changing economy post WW2 to the Internet age was manufacturing, and basic computers that increased the productivity of skilled workers - people could study to keep ahead of the game and increased consumption could fuel this type of economy. Now robotics and AI is so cheap and powerful it can literally replace the need for humans no matter how intelligent.
We need to evolve from creating jobs by consumption for consumption to creating jobs just to give people something to do and perhaps to motivate.

I don't think any kids can be blamed for where we are at related to that. 


The other point was how to make wealth. You mentioned diversified investments and educating oneself. Actually, practice is good, too.

Public education, especially when it comes to personal finances, is so awful in most countries. The goal is to help people learn how to work and behave. Teachers are old civil servants with no about the challenges post-millennials will face. They have to be politically correct and follow the curriculum.
We can change it, but I think COVID taught a lot of people that parent's role in their children's education must not be overlooked.

One of my friends has a son who just started university and a wife who doesn't understand the difference between credit and debit. He is trying to educate them now. We had a similar chat. A few months ago, he got them both a couple of books to read (personal finances, banking, savings, investments, stocks), recommended some podcasts and youtube videos, and then opened them some investment savings accounts and gave them a couple grand each and some basic conditions and instructions if they want more.

It's a neat experiment.

Oh you also forgot personal saving, that's a tough one. People usually blame the cost of living, but I see so many people waste money whether they can afford it or not. It's really difficult to teach that. So this is where the guy's conditions and instructions come in. His wife already messed up. It was hilarious listening to her perspective. She made it pretty clear that she wants more regardless.
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@tarazkp · (edited)
>Asides from finance and globalization (both systems started post WW2 and continue their relentless march), I think there are two things to add you left out entirely:

Yeah, I have covered them both before, mostly in regards to the AI and automation, which I mentioned in a line in this article only. 

>Public education, especially when it comes to personal finances, is so awful in most countries. The goal is to help people learn how to work and behave. Teachers are old civil servants with no about the challenges post-millennials will face. They have to be politically correct and follow the curriculum.

With the same colleague, I was talking about this too in regards to automation. Most people can't be reskilled and when say, 40% of the population are unhirable anyway, why educate them? Increased costs of education will mean a higher bar to get over, that most can't afford. In Finland, education is "free" (tax) and as a result, parents do not save for education. This gives (edit: the impression of) a higher disposabe income, but exposes to a lot of apparently unforeseen risk for their kids. I save for my daughter. 

>People usually blame the cost of living, but I see so many people waste money whether they can afford it or not. 

The consumer life. Always another thing to buy - but it is a choice, right?

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@abitcoinskeptic ·
I remember the why eduucate them blog. Not sure if I engaged. I probably would have wrote another tome. Great question. Especially with extra insight on Finland, they do Pisa good.
This transformation is different. Things will be different. I think we will survive and thrive, but the shake up is going to be evolutionary not revolutionary. That's far bigger. 

In the past 50 years humanity changed more than in the previous 500. In the next 50 years humanity will change more than the previous 5000 years and could change more than in the previous 50000 if the singularly or fusion happen.




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@aiovo ·
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I agree with you building wealth in today's time is very hard competition you have more spending then you can earn but I am happy that I have buy Some crypto sometime go and I'm having easy time in my life now
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@tarazkp ·
The challenge for many (no matter how much they earn) is to keep the balance sheet in the black. we encourage consumption through every imaginable channel and most will consume, thinking it is the only way to live a good life.
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@bashadow ·
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I think some of the financial ill's people place on themselves is one that is made by society and peer pressure. No longer is there such a thing as extended family. Peer pressure and society lead people out of the home into what society calls the real world. They separate the young from family by societal and peer pressure.

We make fun of the person still living at home with their parents as losers, or worse. The wealthy have extended family, the very poor sometimes have extended family, the failing middle class is is very rare that they have extended family. The wealthy know that adding a few rooms is less expensive than building a new house. 

If young people could get over the fact that they are not less of a person because they still live at home while schooling, or working, or even married with children, then they are going to be the next wealthy group of people. There is financial safety in numbers.
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@tarazkp ·
I think it is quite a "western" thing to do - where individualism has been pushed for so long, people think that community is unnatural. 

I think that more out of necessity than want, there will be a return to living in larger family units, especially since love relationships are taking a backseat (not in the fun way) and people aren't having children. I don't know if it will increase wealth for many, but it might save from destitution. 

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@bigtom13 ·
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I actually had it pretty darn easy.  About 6 months after I dropped out of college I caught a union job with a company that was rapidly expanding.  In 6 months I was not only considered skilled, I was a foreman.  At more than 5x minimum wage.  I bought a brand new car and had enough money to put half down on my first house in two years.  When I left the owner of the company gave me a TWIMC letter of recommendation.  

The rest of the story is that CAN"T be duplicated today.  Wages and prices have not kept up.  Not even close.  Top level union jobs in the area I was in are about 2x minimum wage today.  

Which is, once again, a lot of words to basically say "Yep, that's exactly right".

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@tarazkp ·
There is growing competition for receding jobs in increasingly skilled areas. It is not going to be pretty when there are bread lines, but the "economy is doing fine". 

In Finland, I don't think the President gets 5x minimum wage ;D

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@bigtom13 ·
I was in the right place at the right time.  Today the CEO probably makes 100x minimum wage.  At the minimum :)
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@tarazkp ·
>It's almost crazy to think how easy I had it when I look back now...

I think that this is what people have to remember  (me included and I am not *that* old) when looking at "the kids of today", as times were different and opportunities were different. 

For example, When I was in highschool my math teacher said that he was aiming to put a million dollars in the bank so that he could live off the interest. After tax, it would have been more per year than he got from working. A million dollars in the bank now? Poverty level interest earnings, *if that* since there are negative interest rates in many circumstances. 

My point is, that while my math teacher could save his way to a passive income with very low risk, to get the same return now requires market risk exposure. So, not only do people have to be able to save, they also have to be willing to risk what they have saved.

I am hoping that my daughter will enter adult life debt free at least.  

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@bozz ·
Yeah, it would take much more than that now to be able to have a passive income.  I like the idea of passive income to supplement other income since it is so hard to achieve that point of true independence.  Best of luck to you and your family in achieving all of those goals.

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@creativemary ·
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I think that it is very useful for the kid to be independent as soon as possible, although it is difficult nowadays than it was years ago
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@tarazkp ·
We try to introduce independence where we can - even financially when Smallsteps gets some coins from her grandparents, she has choices on how to spend it and has so far been pretty good with it. She has even made the decision to buy vegetables, which we have let her do - and then bought her something later as a present :) She is a strange one. 

A lot of parents fear their kids getting hurt in some way, so protect them, even if the cost of failure is very low. This doesn't help them later in life when the costs are significantly higher. 

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@crrdlx ·
Not sure I agree with the contention that things are different now, that "fewer people have it [money] available" nowadays. It's very, very easy for us to think that things are different now. I believe that every generation says this same thing about the "kids these days." Reading this reminded me of Thoreau's "Walden"...there's a line in it where he asks something like, "When were the times not hard?" Writing in the 1840s or 50s, or whenever it was that Walden was written, he's pointing out that times are always tough and that money is always scarce. Not sure it's any different today.
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@abitcoinskeptic ·
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The increasing global population and environmental degradation has lead to increased competition for non-renewable and finite resources. This isn't an economic opinion, it's a scientific and mathematical fact.

Disregarding economic statistics on wealth distribution, social security and employment is challenging, but I'm interested to hear your opinion.

Do you think increasingly cheaper, and more powerful AI and robotics will lead to fewer jobs or more? If you think they will lead to more when? How does this compare to previous technology (manufacturing and machines)? This isn't an easy question to answer.
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@crrdlx ·
Yep, there is scarcity in the world. I'm an optimist; it's so, so easy to lazily be pessimistic and and declare doom. I believe in humankind's cleverness and ingenuity. History has shown that when a problem arises, we find a solution to it. Thankfully, capitalism offers incentives to those who do devise those solutions. I hope we don't undermine those incentives going forward. One of my favorite articles came out in the early 90s, I think. It was called "Betting the Planet" or something like that. Found it: https://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/02/magazine/betting-on-the-planet.html 30 years old and still a great read. To quickly address your questions: (1) robotics...not sure about more jobs, but better. If my job tightening lug nuts was replaced by a robot, I would try to re-train and get a better job working the robot. (2) When...now? Future? (3) Previous...I guess I'd just say there has always been invention and innovation and hopefully there always will be. Goes back to my contention that things are not entirely as different as folks often make them out to be.
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@tarazkp ·
When farming came in, people could gather and perform physical tasks. When the industrial revolution arrived, people moved to production lines and mental work. When AI and robots can do much of the physical and mental work, where do humans move? Where are the new jobs coming from?

Money isn't scarce, there is plenty of it - not many people have access to it though. 

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@crrdlx ·
Thanks for the quick history lesson. But..."When farming came in." Farming "came in" 6,000 years ago when recorded history began. Are you suggesting that without farming we cannot "gather" or "perform physical tasks"? I guess that's another reason to love farming! And with the industrial revolution people go to production lines and "mental work". Huh? What's "mental work"? Working on an assembly line is mental work? You ask where humans move, the answer is that we figure it out. We think and we innovate and we find new ways to do things. We might program the robot, or grease it's levers and gears, or we do something we've never thought of before. We'll do "mental work" to figure out what to do next. Where are the new jobs coming from? We innovate and build and come up with ideas that no one has ever thought of before. Imagination grows and builds. Want a wonderful thought exercise in economics and entrepreneurship and innovation. Watch the animated series at https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTOLo-ik5Of3tsfiFpVagcJhkMYdVDPx7 Not many people have access to money? Hmm. I think you could just as easily argue that money is always available to anyone willing to put in work and effort. And today, you could argue that it's more accessible than ever. We hear a lot about the "unbanked", but cryptocurrency and the internet has unlocked financial world's for many, many people. Even those without internet access...they often have access to a mobile phone which can be used to interface with financial systems. Effort, work, production, ingenuity have always been valued and still are human capital with which anyone can earn.
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@manoldonchev ·
> When AI and robots can do much of the physical and mental work, where do humans move? Where are the new jobs coming from?

Just a thought on possible wheres:

 Creative jobs. Entertainment. Sports. Everybody gets to be a showman, a designer, a teacher, a coach...

There's this comedy musical video in my country at the end of which a blackboard with chalk inscriptions appear:

"According to stats, hundreds of thousands of young people leave the agriculture, flowing into the Bulgarian show business. Do not become one of them!"

Once I got them robots minding the fields and farms, I can finally chase my dream-job. I'm gonna be a ninja tortoise. Or the best white-chocolate-muffin herb-decorator.
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@rmsadkri ·
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Crypto space is fairly new.But, as I get into the space and learn things or two, I am realizing that even cryptos are also concentrated among few user groups. It has not been distributed enough with exception of Hive like social media blockchain where you can start with 0. Other than these chains, it is really tough to get into the space and work your way up. It could be easy for individuals with earnings in dollars but not for individuals who are in developing and least developed countries. Even 1 $ is 100 units in their currencies. 

So, I am beginning to think that it is easy at least for me to DCA but not for everyone. If we could scale up Hive like solutions, then it could be a true distribution of wealth as anyone with no balance can take part.
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@tarazkp ·
A lot of the token distributions are consolidated, including Bitcoin, with several very large holders. It is still better than the global economy though. I agree that Hive has the potential, but to come in with zero and build up takes a lot of work and learning to play the game well. This in itself is exclusionary, as often it requires skills and experience that not everyone has. Yet, the opportunity is there for more at least.
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@rmsadkri ·
I agree. You will need certain characteristics and skillsets in the gamified economy. But, it is better than nothing and you don't require monetary investment. Having said that, as you said, it is not easy to build up. My hope is that the tokenized economies are so big it does not even matter when and where you start. Yes, there will be multiple winners who started early but it will not disadvantage the later comers.
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@tarazkp ·
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@ryivhnn ·
>  moving out of the house so that she can be independent - although, it looks like she is still going to be relying on her parents for some time to come

I don't think it counts as "being independent" even if you've moved out if you're still dependent on your parents for more than emotional support XD

I know a few people know whose adult kids are still living at home either in an attempt to save money to move out or realising that no matter what they do they're not going to be able to afford to move out unless something drastically changes.
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