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An Open Letter To @elipowell by taskmaster4450

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· @taskmaster4450 ·
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An Open Letter To @elipowell
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*I decided to write this as an open letter since I couldn't find Eli's email address listed anywhere.  It is a step that I think she and the Steemit Inc team should consider.*

Hello Eli:

I wanted to take this opportunity to give you commendation for the work you put in since you took over the day-to-day operations of Steemit Inc.  The progress is operating on a much different level in spite of the reduction in staff and for that all of you should be proud.

In spite of that, there is something that I wanted to address with you.

I spent much of the last 30 years in sales and marketing.  Over that time, as you well know, you view things from a different perspective.  

That said, I will cut right to the chase: you still have a major image problem with the Steem community. 

The trust is not there in spite of the efforts you took the last 6 months.  Many feel that the organization is out for itself above all else.  The stake that the company is holding is viewed as a hindrance to growth making the platform too centralized.  

I realize the solution to trust is time and continued effort.  Steemit Inc burnt a lot of bridges over the past 3 years, a situation you inherited.

Over the past couple years, the company did try to do some good with the stake it has.  In addition to delegating to new accounts, it tried to support the community by providing large blocks of SP to some applications.  As exemplified with the situation with Dlive, the results were mixed.

What I am proposing is taking this initiative one step further while also improving the image of Steemit Inc in the eyes of the community.  

I can put together 30-40 Dolphins who are active and committed.  From them, I am certain they can each provide a list of 25-35 names of Minnows and Planktons who are dedicated to Steem while doing their best to grow.  

The idea is to pull together 1,000 of our most active smaller accounts.  These are the ones we initially support.  

For a period of 90 days, these 1,000 accounts are delegated 5,000 SP by Steemit Inc.  This is effectively added 1,000 Dolphins to the platform overnight, at least in terms of voting power. 

These accounts can use the delegation to grow over that period.  After the quarter end, there are a few options. 

First, we could simply renew it.  Leave the delegation where it is and those accounts get to use it for a longer period of time.

The second is Steemit Inc can expand the program.  Stake is something the company has and putting more of it to use can only enhance the entire ecosystem.  Many of us have more than 50% of our SP delegated, there is no reason that Steemit Inc cannot do the same.  Thus, we could add another 1,000 names to the list.

It is time for Steemit Inc to show a true concern for the future of this platform above and beyond the coding and future updates to Steemit.com.  That is valuable to the community yet still a bit self serving in the eyes of many.

Is there any better way to show concern for the community than by supporting the smallest of the dedicated pool of users?

Since the organization was able to leave survival mode, the need to unload so much SP each month to cover expenses is dwindling.  Thus, it is the ideal time to start an initiative like this.

Here are the advantages as I see them:

1) The reward pool is severely altered with a great deal of VP placed in the hands of 1,000 smaller accounts.  This should help distribution since the smaller accounts tend to flock together and now there are some larger stakes supporting them.
2) Steemit Inc is adhering to the proverbial "putting its money where its mouth is" by actually placing the money in the hands of those who need it.  This shows the concern for the community that is always discussed.
3) Steemit Inc cannot be accused of playing favorites since it is a community initiative put together by active Dolphins (who tend to interact with the Minnows and Planktons.
4) Very little work required from Steemit Inc.   Simply power up and enter the list of names in the delegation bot.  With so much on your plate, the last thing needed is taking valuable personnel off ongoing projects to start something new.

The other aspect to all of this is the fact that word will spread.  If the project is expanding each quarter while the ones receiving the delegation are being rotated, others are going to work hard to get on the list.  This means activity will increase with people trying to get noticed.  One will not receive the 5,000 delegation by spamming "nice post" comments or putting up a links to YouTube videos as posts.  

Simply put, this idea can exceed the 1,000 accounts in terms of impact.  We could see a ratio of 10 to 1 meaning 10,000 accounts see results.  For a platform with only 40,000 daily transacting accounts, that is a significant percentage.

At this point, I feel it is time for the largest stake holder to get involved with the daily support of the smallest stakeholders to help them move forward.

This is a program that I believe will help to achieve that end.

It also will change the perception of the company in the eyes of thousands of Steemians.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

@taskmaster4450
Discord taskmaster4450 #9768

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@acidyo ·
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As much as I'd like to help distribution on the platform as you probably know by now with my efforts, I don't believe this is something that will be fair. There was a lot of drama from investors last time steemit decided to delegate to dapps which in turn rewarded accounts all over the platform and helped distribution for those that stayed powered up. The investors were promised the stake would not be used to affect the reward pool yet it was because let's face it, no one else would've stepped up to delegate to these projects when there was way more roi to be made by delegating to bid bots. On the other hand many investors also feel that even though it helped some dapps get started and going much of the stake was used poorly either way, for example dapps curating just for curations sake or as you so mentioned Dlive being malicious with their intent.

If Steemit were to again go against that promise I think they should work on a much better way to apply for delegations and the community to make sure it is being used in everyone's best interest. Just giving users 5k sp will mean there will be a lot less interest of those 10k users to buy Steem, jealousy and drama would occur and on top of that it's 10k accounts you have to monitor and check they aren't sockpuppeting and self-voting, etc, which already with only 5 people when @ned was giving out delegations became a big dramafest. 

Other than that they should check that dapps and projects applying for these delegations have plans in mind that they'll become self-sustainable ASAP without the delegations, make the projects and communities increase the activity of our users, not free delegations. 

Having said that I fully expect to get a lot of hate for this opinion. xD
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@anthonyadavisii ·
> make the projects and communities increase the activity of our users

@steemflagrewards does this but for a very specific purpose that is, of course, fighting abuse.

A Steemit Inc. delegation would go a long way in supercharging that activity and improving content discovery on this platform.

I think we have established ourselves as a community that are good stewards of the Steem power that has been entrusted to us. 

I only wish we had the potential to reward more flaggers intent on fighting blockchain tomfoolery and misappropriation of the reward pool due to irresponsible vote selling. 

As such I think will produce a change in culture. More engaging, thoughtful and funny posts on Trending and less banal drivel.


That would be nice.

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@drumoperator ·
No hate, sir. 

@DSound and @DTube. No drama, just large communities of creatives with both a social and economic incentive to post.  Absolutely 0 percent chance I would still be around here without the communities that sprung up around judicious use of Steemit's delegated voting power.
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@ironshield ·
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I can see your points.  My feeling is that  many of the "bad actors" will jump ship after hf21, if they haven't already.  Granting curation powers to long time Steemit advocates will do good things for the platform, I know I would be delighted if even one of my followers suddenly became a dolphin. 

When I first joined Steemit, I got a free temporary 200 sp delegation.  It only took a few months before I bought my first Bitcoin, traded for Steem and powered up.  The delegated sp did not discourage me from buying at all, it actually encouraged me to buy.

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@ackza ·
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yeah i got 6 bucks in free steem when i first signed up, haha steem was 10 cents too i got like 600 steem or something and by not even a year, steem was $8 by jan so that 600 steem given to me just for signing up was now worth $4,800 USD 


yeah it definitely didnt discourage me AND no one who bought steem was jelous that i got free money, people were making so much money we were all HAPPY to see new users get some free coins...

we really do need steemit inc to delegate some SP to active users , but we more so need them to get some free accounts using https://steeminvite.com or howveer they make accounts.. we need some invite program like steemivnite

maybe they can give people invite codes too so most active users can invite new users, and @acidyo maybe steemit inc can only give delegation to people who bring in new users, we already have plenty of perfectly good verification methods some can be done without needing images of the person etc, but tahst teh easiest way, we an give delegation rewards to peopel whop invite users

but that doenst scratch teh surfgace

we really do need to just giev some handouts, it wont be that bad, even just 100 SP each to top 100 small accounts thata re most active wouold be great, we really need to advrtise steem tho on social media outside steem especial;ly r3eddit and crypto twitter and we just have to have a igger presence on snapchat and instagrama nd ned just has to travel teh world and party with crypto people and be the cyrpto playboy, 

tyheres enough steemians aloen who would let ned stay at their compounds, he could stitch togetehr a FREE world tour easily, ned needs to be making daily updates thata re exciting everyday AND USE @share2steem https://share2steem.io so they can post from twitter and share it to steem as well with one hashtag since weknow @ned loves using his twitter account but doenst even post on his own platform when one hashtag would allow him to do so.... and ned can start partying, making friends in crypto around teh world and having FUN withs teem, maybe ned can sponsor like some app to be teh snapchat of steem and allow him to post quick short videos, so he can have updates around teh world, liek a crypto playboy.... .... now that he has stepped down as ceo and eli is in charge

@elipowell just has to learn from ned's mistakes and just start issueing mall TEMPORAY amounts of delegation to a wide range of steem projects , that way she can say she is supporting them all, without breaking the bank :D 

then she ca surgically promote the MOSt effective steem projects like steem engien and @oracle-d and get them some partnerships using teh steemit inc brand, and also she needs to sponsor some permanent writers like that guy who writes for forbes about us in 2017, he needs to be smooshed to convince him to make anoTHER article like i discussed here 
https://steemit.com/share2steem/@ackza/ackza-1562717378469-ackzas-twitter-feed--20190710-020938

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmWR9XyJxAXkZxUZwjyTwEQCKKGgKSoTkxU1KTZpy3jJWV/image.png)

the Google News resulkts for "steemit" are so sad, theers barely any news, it is a symptom of a greater problem at steemit where they arent taking care of teh marketing and havce neglected it so we have had our GROWTH stunted like a child with RICKETS in medieval scandenavia because we didnt get enough sunlight for vitamin D or cod liver oil... seriously we have a vitamin deficiency and that vitamin is publicity

just a few authors writing some more articles about steemit and we will see the price go up considerably .... wether its forbes or ANY blog or NON steemit website that APPEARS on Google ..... or maybe we just need to get @elipowell to work on getting steemit.com posts from "verified" or "trusted" users to qualify to show upon the Google News feed.... i dont know the requirements to get picked up as a "news" source but we have plenty of oldeer stories... we should email the authors, or tweet them liek I have here, to make NEW articles about all teh NEW things on steem from tyhe Steem proposal System to Steem-Engine.com and scotbot tribes.... ttheres far too many updates to NOT make news articles about.... 


Anyway a combination fo these thinsg will allow @elipowell to prove herself in the business and crypto world by being "the Woman who saved steemit" if she can pull this off...

perhaps @taskmaster4450 's idea to delegate 5k SP to top 1000 most active minnows will actually be ALL we need to starta cascade effect , but the WHALES control teh price we NEED VIDEOS to EXPLAIn to BIG SMART money that Steem is GOOD and HITECH and steem is FAST, uise Blocktivity.info and FCAS scores, and show the STATS, teh infographics, 

https://steemitimages.com/DQmT5kELzm4KsaHDEA37tiD8BGxgZNkZbBde7kor4TvP4TK/steemit_still_waiting.gif

and 
https://steemitimages.com/DQmU4iLBtaztPtkaPZbBZ9pt3hbRcKbEoHZVYUSLtnW7c4f/29ap.gif

might be all we need , just amke 1 video showing these in the style of COINBASE EARN like BAT Zcash Steller and EOS got...heres a mockup i made to show you what coinbase earn videos to explain steem could look like..
![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmVkWrpM24UnuXiGUHct5WdwUDYeL8UWUyPu79ozTuBbgi/image.png)

.this is a whole notehr story but i do believe cpoinbase is close to adding steem but @ned cant rely on that alone we also need yubikey or ledger nano and exodus partnerships 


Make some videos showing the STATISTICS of the steem blockchain @elipowell and we might actually get BIG WHALES to see the Undervalued asset apeal of steem, BIG MONEY can be made ,m theres so many talented develoepprs AND WE CAN PROVE THAT with Stats from https://stateofthedapps/rankings
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@ironshield · (edited)
Drama cannot be avoided when there are dramatic people online. 
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@justineh · (edited)
I think your opinion is spot on, it’s been done before (many times) and nothing good came of it. Just because someone thinks they can pick *better* people won’t change anything. 

I’d rather see the stake used to build this community overall as well as things people actually want to use (well designed front ends etc) rather  than continue to have the mentality that we have to bribe them to use it, while hurting the overall value of Steem. 

It’s a nice idea.. *let’s just give all the small accounts free SP*, but at the end of the day it solves nothing imo. I’d rather see the ninja stake burned or sitting idle rather than this idea or how it’s used currently.

If there was some way it could actually be used to grow, develop and build the Steem ecosystem that benefits the price of STEEM long term, I’m all in.. but I haven’t seen that at all.
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@lucylin ·
>Having said that I fully expect to get a lot of hate for this opinion. xD

No worries, haters ( read as 'people who criticize steem')....are comic relief for eli, apparently.
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@baah ·
Says the prostitute who literally reasoned that the best way to deal with people with mental illness is by making fun of them. 

Drumming up any shit you can? Here's another flag and lol. 
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@meno ·
I was thinking the exact same thing. I can see smooth losing it over such an idea for example, he's been very vocal about Steemit's stake affecting the reward pool. 

The truth is that as much as this <i>could work</i>, policing it, because it would be necessary in order for it not to be abused, would take lots of work, and it would not be something people would want to volunteer for (policing it).

I'm sure the list of steemians would mainly be of people seen as <b>good</b>, and I'm sure the majority would be, but...    If you leave your bike in the park leaning against a tree, the first one to see it normally takes it.
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@valued-customer ·
I don't think you're wrong overall, but I can see a very simple algorithm being employed to immediately withdraw delegations if certain actions were taken by the delegates.  What concerns me about the prospect is more the perspective of the potential delegator:  there's a reason Stinc has that stake, after all.  

The spectrum of principles of Steemers ranges from the utterly rapine to the completely sacrificial, and current substantial stakeholders are in the former camp.  Were such delegations to be undertaken with the intention of increasing selfvoting and bidbot delegations, this would not improve the society upon which the Steem economy depends.

Because of this, I remain ambivalent about the proposal under consideration here.
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@shadowspub ·
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well unless I read his letter wrong, @taskmaster4450 is not suggesting it go to Dapps. He's suggesting that 30-40 dolphins be able to direct the delegations to minnows to help them grow on the platform. If the changes in HF21 are all they have been promoted as being.. then those accounts with the delegations will be actively growing and curating. 

The biggest problem the program is going to run into is smaller accounts going inactive and the delegation sitting there unused to any benefit. That is where the program can get time consuming. 

I help a project on the platform by delegating to their trainees until they reach the same amount of SP I've delegated to them and can start growing on their own. I do have to periodically review the accounts I've delegated to pull delegation from those who are inactive.
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@taskmaster4450 ·
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Without a doubt there would be !drama associated with a proposal like this.  Although, as we know, on here, there is drama with everything so we are accustomed to it by now.

As for the points you raise, that is why it is not a forever, guaranteed delegation.  If one opts to stray from the parameters, there is a good chance the delegation is not reupped the next quarter.  It would take a bit of monitoring by 50 or so people, but it could be done.  I am certain there are 50 people on here who truly care enough to invest some time checking out the habits of 25 or so people who received delegation.

Plus, if Steemit Inc would step up and expand the program you are talking a lot more than 10K accounts being affected.

Finally, I disagree about removing buyers from the pool: users do not buy tokens for the most part, especially Planktons.  If they did, for $125, they would be Minnows.
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@ew-and-patterns ·
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Make it a contest. First 1000 Planktons who buy the amount to be a minnow within a certain period of time get 5k delegation for a month.

If you like this, you can update your post.
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@nonameslefttouse ·
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Say I'm this dolphin who nominates some deserving individuals.  I think they deserve it.  Then suddenly I'm seeing some *funky business* that doesn't sit well with me.  This could be someone I've known for a long time, and care about, as an individual.  How do I break the bad news to them?  "Sorry, you're cut off and you'll most likely hate me now."  Why would I even want to be responsible for that?  How would I look, if who I choose turns out to be a bad idea?  My reputation is at stake, I can't screw up, but I also don't live inside their heads to know enough about how things will turn out.  What about the others who I don't select?  They would feel like I'm picking favorites; left out.  I don't want to leave people out, which is why I don't like picking favorites.  Those feeling left out in the cold aren't going to like me too much.  Money does strange things to people.  It can break up families, ruin relationships.  I don't want to be responsible for something like that.  Let's say I'm chosen to be one of these dolphins and I refuse.  Then, again, I look like an ass, because I don't want to hurt someone.   

> Although, as we know, on here, there is drama with everything so we are accustomed to it by now.

Some drama can be good entertainment.  This kind of drama though?  Turn this place into a reality TV show?  That concerns me, a bit.

I'm not really a fan of handouts either.  I think people should be investing time, money or both, especially when it's a big business they want to run.  I'm far more confident about a project when I see an investor plop down a nice chunk of change, build something, and operate it, on their own expense, then turning a profit.  *That makes the place look shiny to more investors.*

I'm already seeing one comment here where an individual is already concerned about how they've been here for a long time, **working**, like they should be doing, and someone could potentially take the helicopter to the top, while they're still stuck climbing the rocks.  

What's Steemit going to be known for after all is said and done?  The welfare state?  We're so damn poor, and nobody was interested, so they had to just give it all away?

"Users do not buy tokens," you say.  Well, let's give them a [good reason](https://steemit.com/newsteem/@nonameslefttouse/the-business-of-blogging-and-how-to-take-over-the-world) to.

And just know, I'm not trying to be hard on you.  It's nothing personal.  That's just how I feel.  

TL;DR = ***The idea makes me feel uncomfortable.  Don't give up though, maybe give this some more thought.***
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@valued-customer ·
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IIRC @surpassinggoogle did admirable things with the @ned delegation, even if the others didn't.  Science is a process of testing theory, and building on experimental results.  I'd strongly advocate even random delegations and immediately withdrawing them if the delegates began extracting rewards for themselves rather than upvoting others.

Delegation is practically a no risk undertaking, and even if only 1% of delegates prove worthy, that's a significant benefit to the platform.  

I do not expect such delegations, because Stinc serves the whales, and those delegations would cost the whales money.  Wish I was wrong, but don't think I am.  

While I follow @taskmaster4450, this indicates interest in his posts, not trust in his judgment.  No disrespect intended, but I'd actually prefer the delegator to choose to whom to delegate, rather than availing any outside party of the authority to do so.  Neither do I think Dolphins particularly appropriate targets for such delegations, for reasons.  

I recommend modest delegations, in order to create an effectively better distributed stake, precisely because it would cost the whales money.  Either stake gets distributed better, or Steem fails to grow.  If Steem grows, capital gains will result, and whales will be but temporarily discomfited.  Cash being king, I know of no whales that will endorse this, and the present state of bidbots and rewards extraction is a better gauge than my opinion.

Sadly, I am pretty confident nothing will prove me either right or wrong, as it would be necessary to do some delegating to do so, and that's not gonna happen.  EIP seems certain to eventuate, however, and that pudding will provide proof when it's served.
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@enforcer48 · (edited)
I'm not gonna say he's completely worthless, but citing him as the paragon of using @ned's delegation is a far stretch. VERY far stretch.

https://steemit.com/steemit/@littleboy/how-surpassinggoogle-s-showing-love-impacts-negatively-on-the-steem-blockchain

Eventually, he did take steps against abusers, but hey, the gravy train was great while it ran.
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@ngcbot1 ·
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@arcange ·
Congratulations @taskmaster4450!
Your post was mentioned in the [Steem Hit Parade](/hit-parade/@arcange/daily-hit-parade-20190708) in the following category:

* Comments - Ranked 3 with 102 comments
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@ats-david · (edited)
$0.23
>For a period of 90 days, these 1,000 accounts are delegated 5,000 SP by Steemit Inc.

Of all the stupid “proposals” we’ve seen lately, I have to say that this one reflects the most naïvety and obliviousness from a user who pretends to be tuned into Steem and its community. 

That this idea actually made it out of your head and into a publicly viewed blog post is truly astonishing. To even call this an “idea” makes an absolute mockery of thought itself. 

There is so much wrong about this proposed buffoonery that I almost don’t even want to reply, but since you’re being rewarded $26 for this at the moment, I’ll at least point out some of the obvious shit you conveniently ignored or never even considered...which is actually pretty typical. 

First of all - STINC’s ninja-mined stake was never supposed to be used for voting. The only reason it has been used for those purposes was due to delegation protocols and Ned creating the misterdelegation account and moving SP to it for delegations, which went back on STINC’s word. 

Secondly - due to the delegation protocols, every single user who bought, powered up, and/or held SP in order to gain more influence on Steem has been diluted to the tune of about 40 million SP...about 20 million of which has come from STINC. This was previously non-voting stake and stake that was seldom used prior to HF18. This influx of voting influence has driven down the value of holding SP for rewards allocation and (very likely) largely contributes to the lack of investment and remaining powered up.  

Thirdly - your “idea,” as others have already pointed out, simply puts new “good actors” into a position of picking and choosing winners and losers that will or will not receive STINC’s official support and the downstream votes, once again skewing what is actually “quality” or “popular” content and adding to the already enormous negative perceptions of Steem. 

Fourthly - we have already witnessed (many, many times over) what users mostly do with free handouts and free increases of influence. To *increase* not only the total number of SP, but the total number of accounts receiving these free handouts to the tune of 1000 users, is a nightmare for anyone wanting to monitor how that influence is being used. And to assume that most of these “little guys,” who have no money of their own and seemingly would not be users who have been buying and powering up, would not be dumping a large percentage of their “free STEEM” is just absurdly ignorant. (To even entertain the notion that there are 1000 human and “worthy” candidates is equally ridiculous.)

And finally - the fact that all of the above would very likely negatively impact both the demand for STEEM (sales) and the overall perception of current users/investors and future users/investors (marketing), I find it very hard to believe that you...

>spent much of the last 30 years in sales and marketing.

Working in a building where selling and marketing took place does not mean you were in sales and marketing. Every company like that needs receptionists, errand boys, janitors, etc.

So, Eli Powell (and I’ll actually mention you @elipowell), if you happen to read this post and the comments (I would skip it altogether and save yourself some valuable life minutes)...

Please gouge your eyes out and go on a week-long bender until you forget this ever being posted. Any other reaction would be irrational. And I speak with some authority on this because I spent much of the last 30 years in logic and debate clubs. 

FFS...New Old Steem apparently still sucks. Can we change this, please?
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@camzy ·
Nice suggestions you got here, i hope she replies anytime soon
Totally love the idea of the delegation, at least it's a great step of bringing back the community the bots took from us and equally help newbies grow
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@cmplxty ·
I think STInc could do a lot to repair ties with the community to use its flipping voting power to help people out. 50 random votes of 5% per day would really help people and show that they care about the people who are here. 

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@drumoperator ·
I cannot more emphatically support this proposal, in totality. I am testament to the power of Steemit Inc's stake keeping people in the "euphoric" state of MAKING CONTENT --> MAKING CRYPTO --> BUILDING A  COMMUNITY that Steemit circa early 2018 was breathing fire with. @DSound had a healthy delegation from Sreemit that @prc assembled a legitimately motivated team to curate 24/7. An entire community of people sprung up around this single large, curated upvote, and becoming a regular recipient of it felt like a rite of passage ... first and foremost socially and (admittedly) economically. The removal of the delegation with zero warning was such a PR fail. 1m SP costs next to nothing to delegate and was, without question, some of the best money Steemit Inc -didn't- have to spend.

Interestingly enough, in the months since losing the delegation, many if not most of the regulars stayed onboard and continue to post content. Many of us delegated to the master account to continue to communal spirit. If anything like @taskmaster4450 's excellent proposal goes through, I can't stress enough that in the "real world" of actually using this platform ... generous and aggressively / passionately curated large upvotes from the major DAPPs, powered by judicious use of Steemit INC's stake is a really, REALLY good way to get a whole bunch of content creators motivated to check out this whole Steem thing.

In an overwhelming environment, these big upvotes from the platforms themselves is a dot on the map to aim for.
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@nonameslefttouse · (edited)
That's a problem with these delegations.  The first content producers in are basically handed an airdrop in the form of a vote.  They're then responsible to be the curators of the second generation, but many refuse to power up.  They cash out and shoot themselves along with the platform in the foot.  Took the delegation for granted instead of preparing for the day it's gone.  Were those responsibilities of the first generation producers ever explained to anyone?  To me, it's no shock to see the delegation removed.  It's supposed to be a stepping stone, not a free handout.  When it's treated as a free handout, everyone tends to view what comes their way as a free handout.  Gotta plant those seeds instead of eating them.  How much SP was handed out, total, to those who received the upvotes?  Was it equal to or more than the delegation?  If it was, then I think it's fair to have it removed because technically that SP should still be there locked within that community, in the hands of many, instead of one.
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@drumoperator ·
Are you talking about @dsound and @dtube specifically? These are the only working examples I’m talking about, the only two platforms on here that function as intended and short of maybe two people off the top of my head, @dsound at the very least has been some of the best curated, most actively engaged communities I’ve seen, -especially- considering the vast majority of people I’ve become friends with there have stuck around as their average vote went from $60 to $1. If that’s not worthy of support from Steemit Inc’s massive stake, I don’t see what is. 

Thinking it’s a free handout, or was seen that way ... to be honest that sorta tells me you haven’t spent appreciable time on the discord or met the people there. When the @dsound vote was 1.3m Steem, I promise nobody saw it as a handout. It was absolutely a carrot (and absolutely a source of mild drama as regular contributors struggled to be recognized and seen by curators...but good lord if that’s too much for you, this is empirically the wrong platform).... that generous upvote, applied intelligently was something simple and understandable to aspire to as a new steemian ... especially considering it was actively being curated by a small handful of motivated people .... and receiving it was a HUGE morale boost as I figured out how to MAKE MONEY ON STEEM which is WHY PEOPLE WILL SHOW UP.

Note: still very much trying to figure out how to make money on Steem so uhhh monster dose of salt here.
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@forexbrokr ·
Brilliant idea. Would love to see this at least acknowledged by Steemit. 

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@freebornangel ·
$0.03
The best thing they can do with all that stake is let it go idle, use it for bounties, burn it, or anything other than pick more 'winners' with it.
Those golden boys and girls cash out.
This harms those that don't.
It also harms those not invited to the 'friendly' reindeer games.
The pool is a commons.
Do you really want stinc to continue picking 'winners', all while reducing the shares of everybody else?
Hasn't that driven off enough users?
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@gandhibaba ·
As selfless as this proposal may seem, its disastrous consequences outweighs its benefits. Delegating 5k SP to 1k accounts simply means that Steemit Inc will have to delegate 5m SP in total. 

Over a period of 3 months, 5m SP will generate thousands of free Steem that many beneficiaries will throw at the exchanges, crumbling the price of Steem in the long run. 

Also, those who get the 5k SP will no longer see the need to buy Steem. So, with more people earning Steem with less number of buyers, Steem is doomed economically. 

In as much as I would love the delegation, the economic impact it will have on Steem will be catastrophic. 

If this proposal is implemented, I will sell all my stake in Steem to avoid the apocalypse. 

Going forward, let users pay for their SP and delegation. They won't die. And that will grow Steem and add value to Steem.
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@por500bolos ·
Tsk Tsk... Holy Moly **Shazam!**

Can't you see yet that while thousands of little fishes may well not buy Steem because they **can't** for multiple reasons and most probably they actually could sell whatever tiny crumbs they earn here. Even 100.000 of them selling daily their rickety 2 cents collectively it wouldn't be not even a hundredth part of what an opulent whale are selling now ***in one fell swoop?***

Yeah! now tell me again about which of them would cause the economic impact it will have on Steem to be catastrophic.
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@valued-customer ·
It seems you do not grasp the network effect, and how distribution creates markets, which in turn creates capital gains.  It is the concentration of stake in but a few accounts now which is preventing the price of Steem from rising to reflect it's actual value as a token, and the failure of distribution to increase the stake of new accounts that deprecates Steem social media to the point that user retention is a miserable 7.5% YOY.  

Growing the society using Steem is the best way to increase the price of Steem, and the FAANGs have proved that social media is the most profitable business model extant.  It is taking enormous profiteering pressure to suppress the value of Steem and it's social media business model.  Whales are currently extracting ~90% of the rewards, and EIP is about to more than double their share of the remaining ~10% - plus whatever the downvote pool allows them to take another run at after they flag the rewards back to the pool.

Nothing would be better for the price of Steem than vastly improved distribution.  As has been pointed out even if Stinc delegated out all of it's stake to minnows, and they sold every bit of rewards they earned with that delegation, it wouldn't equal the sales from one whale right now.  You must not realize the degree to which stake is concentrated on Steem, because you aren't seeing how negatively that centralizes what is touted as a decentralized platform.
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@ironshield ·
Oh wow, this would supercharge steemit.com and restore considerable faith in Steemit, inc.  I hope she responds and is able to make this happen.  Excellent idea.

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@j85063 ·
This idea or something very similar would most likely be an awesome thing to implement.

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@jarvie ·
> "I can put together 30-40 Dolphins who are active and committed. From them, I am certain they can each provide a list of 25-35 names of Minnows and Planktons who are dedicated to Steem while doing their best to grow."

I imagine someone stumbling onto Steem and reading this and being just so completely confuse... they have dolphins?? What?? I'm not sure what's wrong with "Medium Level Accounts" haha
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@bil.prag ·
i love the evolution part of it. when you are a red fish and minnow, you are just a fish, no one cares to even fish for you, but then you evolve to mammal, kinda get a bit of importance :D

Medium level accounts is just to long :)
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@jarvie · (edited)
yeah now look at it as a new user and this guy is talking about and calling people "Dolphins" ... 1. Ridiculous? 2. "What the hell?" 3. I'm out of this crazy place they're crazy people. 

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@ironshield ·
One can tell the seniority of a Steemit user by the terms they use.  I've been posting consistently for years and I'm still a "red fish".

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@bil.prag ·
only if you feel like it. by steem standards you are a minnow, and not that far from a dolphin. a bit less investment in steemmonsters and you would be evolved to a mammal :D
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@novacadian ·
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@por500bolos ·
Ha! @ironshield. Tell me about **'seniority'** on the steem blockchain.

You say you've been posting consistently for years and you are still a "red fish" eh?

I've been doing the same for longer and I'm still a baby **polliwog!!**

I have been such a tadpole for so long that I imagine that I will never be able to become a grown toad worth to be kissed by a little princess and reach my royal self. Hahahaha
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@jongolson ·
love it. nothing would fire up this entire blockchain more than seeing huge support from the top. 

a win-win across so many levels. the smaller accounts would feel appreciated and supported. and the blockchain’s rep increases overnight. great idea man. 

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@ironshield ·
I agree.

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@joythewanderer · (edited)
What you proposed might be helpful in terms of redistribute the ninja-mine steem. 

But firstly, I think 5000k isn't really enough even though it can make a dolphin, then again, as Acid mentioned, @ned once did an experiment by delegation large amount of SP to individuals, which apparently didn't work out either. 

Secondly, delegation to dapps was at the first place probably wrong, why should investors invest in SP, individual investors' votes worth too little compared to the 1 or 2 million SP dapps got.
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@lucylin ·
From a marketing perspective - Imagine one designed by people not of the same psychological mindset as the 96% of the population....( 94% is being optimistic).

1/Get product recognition through promotion of a social media platform.
2/ Increase value through product recognition, to extract maximum value.
3/ The end. Move on to another project.

I'm not saying it's true, but  I _am saying_  that  4% of personality types that make up a certain part of human society, are the ones that dictate from the top. (or spend their time trying to gain power to exert on others).

They are the the manipulators of the 96%.

https://steemit.com/blog/@lucylin/tricks-of-hypnotism-my-attempt-at-a-featured-post
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@mattclarke ·
$0.35
Steemit INC is giving minnows plenty of opportunity to get involved. 
26,000 chances a day, 800,000 chances a month. 
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@por500bolos ·
That's right @mattclarke!!

**((sinz+cosz)2+(sinz−cosz)2)(sinz+cosz)2+(sinz−cosz)2+detIn=∑∞ζ=15⋅2−ζ.(666)**

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@mexbit ·
Great idea! You are really the best! 👍😉
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@nathen007 · (edited)
Just brilliant!
The additional benefits will come with the psychological response. People will for the most part, then  feel responsibility and thus act in a more community minded manner with their stake and use it accordingly, so paying it forward. This will then grow the rewards for more people and promote better behaviour.

Win win.

Top idea Tasky :-)
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@enforcer48 ·
Some people are too worried about retaliation.
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@valued-customer · (edited)
Not me, but I'm not very interested in my personal finances.  

Most people are, and you're right.
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@valued-customer ·
The downvote pool will provide flags equal to 25% of VP.  Whales have almost all VP.  Flags return rewards to the pool, and whales extract ~90% of rewards due to stake-weighting.  Whales will increase their share of stake, and no one will be able to do a damn thing about it.

Hordes of users won't be able to counter those flags, and not even Stinc delegating every Satoshi of it's stake to minnows will make that possible.  
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@enforcer48 ·
The key is that extra 25% (or whatever that percentage they decide on) doesn't allow the whales to control >50% of the active voting stake.

If they do, then there's the risk of the DPOS version of 51% attack.
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@nealmcspadden ·
I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a moment.

How does delegating more SP to minnows help the price of STEEM? Chances are they are going to cash out their rewards the same as stinc would be doing.

Yes, it might increase participation, but only in order to increase their rewards.
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@whatsup ·
Why does everyone say this?  It's not the minnows who are selling it is the whales and Inc.
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@bil.prag ·
$0.05
well it is clear that that 1 steem per post is creating all this price pressure :D the most damaging are those red fish that hardly get over the dust vote with their post, they can't wait for 7 days to pass just to click that transfer button.
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@nealmcspadden ·
It's everyone.
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@pandaparker ·
$0.04
They can use the palnet and steemleo claimdrop and airdrop lists as a starting point.
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@partiko ·
Thank you so much for participating in the Partiko Delegation Plan Round 1! We really appreciate your support! As part of the delegation benefits, we just gave you a 3.00% upvote! Together, let’s change the world!
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@pastrane ·
Maybe steemit inc. is already thinking of this, but instead of a delegation , it is gonna be an airdrop with smt's (called good minnows token)
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@plemmons ·
I did, so I will upvote and resteem. I have not been nearly as active since everything went south sometime back. I apprectiate your efforts. Si will comment as well.

Posted using [Partiko Android](https://partiko.app/referral/plemmons)
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@por500bolos ·
I come to like this proposal big time like a worthy experiment to try.

I just wonder; ***¿Why the hell nobody has said so far that the current stagnation of the platform and the current lousy value of Steem in the markets It is precisely because of the behavior of the whales and no one else?***

Nooo, nooo, it's just because authors, content creators & 'weaker steem users' are already earning too much. *(as the care'tabla of **prameshtagi** said above)*

**¡Holy crap!** these chaps are so cross-eyed that when they bleat & cry their tears run down by their backs.
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@prameshtyagi ·
We need to reduce supply of steem to weaker hands. So such proposal must be linked in such a way that any rewards earned from such delegation must be locked for  one-two years. else it will put huge pressure on steem price as easy rewards earners will head to exchange to sell them.
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@enforcer48 ·
$0.04
Like the lame bot you are running that supplies votes to these ``weak hands``?
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@prameshtyagi · (edited)
You get it wrong. No steem is sold by alfanso since its operation -thereby reduces pressure  on sell pressure. Freedom is what that we should believe in as basic principle of blockchain. We are not control  hungry.
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@gandhibaba ·
This is perhaps the best and most relevant comment on this proposal. Thanks for this thoughtful comments.
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@enforcer48 ·
In what way? You are literally talking to the guy who sells votes indiscriminately to the so-called weak hands he's on about.
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@shitbot ·
<center>https://i.imgur.com/I8i55Ce.gif</center><br><center>You have been rewarded with some SHIT!  Take a trip to [the bathroom](https://steem-engine.com/?p=history&t=SHIT) to stake and manage your worthless tokens.</center>
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@sisygoboom ·
$0.03
I'd be pretty pissed off if I'd spent 2 years working for and buying + powering up steem only to have a bunch of random accounts jump past me like that.

Then there's the fact that  there would definitely be many that just sell their earnings and use steem as a faucet, pushing the price of steem down even further, **especially** if they're not adding value to the platform in my eyes. And in my eyes, the only things that add real value to the platform are development and onboarding/retention.

Proof of stake, not proof of receiving freebies.
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@bil.prag ·
how do you know that you will not get that delegation? 
for retention you need to give something to new accounts, and i must say the distribution kinda sucks for small acc. and you see that in an simple example. i was in first 200 in distributing to acc with less than 55 reputation. i am sorry to say, i can't really distribute a lot :D
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@sisygoboom · (edited)
$0.05
The distribution does suck but I feel that handing out free delegations for no specific reason in a proof of stake system defeats the whole point. People won't be motivated to buy steem and will be motivated to sell if they get a delegation.

And new users will expect delegations when they join and get frustrated when they don't get one which ultimately leads to them leaving cause they weren't chosen.

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>edit: plus that's an extra $400,000 being taken from the reward pool every year
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@valued-customer ·
It would be easy to design an algorithm to withdraw delegations from folks that simply sold off their rewards.  Also, delegations aren't gifts.  The delegates wouldn't have more Steem than someone that owned their SP, they'd just be able to curate with it.  

If you don't find creation of content and curation to add value to the platform, you don't grasp the network effect.  Ultimately, it is that content that draws eyeballs that creates a market for Steem, and without creation and curation Steem would have no more value than rare pepes traded by nerds.  It is the market, comprised of users, that creates value. 
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@sisygoboom · (edited)
Would it not be fairer to give everyone 5k SP delegation and take it away from people that start powering down then?
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@skramatters ·
This might possibly be the greatest thing I've ever seen on steem!  I am hoping she will address this proposal on her new weekly show, which I believe is set for Wednesday evening in the states, though I'm not positive about that. 

Especially, with the 50/50 split coming this will almost certainly create a vibrant muddle class heading into 2020. In fact I believe we should call this amazing idea "vision 2020" !

Imagine if you will a mobile friendly front end that allows non account holders to interact on the chain. What better marketing is there than a test drive and seeing first hand what FOMO is all about as they witness a founding entity and community so invested in growing new or small accounts.. 

Mic drop 🎤 👇

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@valued-customer ·
@fulltimegeek used his substantial stake to do exactly this, and created more than a dozen 'Stewards of Gondor' he carefully vetted and monitored.  Sadly, he has been completely and utterly censored on all substantial front ends now, and had already withdrawn his delegations for that program long before that happened.

This has been done before, although not with Steemit's stake.  Also, @ned made several massive delegations around that time, and most of them were used to sell votes.  @surpassinggoogle however did great things with his delegation from @ned, and the two delegation projects did establish that some users will use such delegations to do a lot of good for the platform.

I think that's why Stinc will never do it.  Delegating it's stake to minnows will reduce the ROI of whales delegating to bidbots and selfvoting.  That would make them angry and harm Stinc.  It's not going to happen.
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@por500bolos ·
> Delegating it's stake to minnows will reduce the ROI of whales delegating to bidbots and selfvoting.

Uhm @valued-customer, seems like I fail to figure out why that would be the case. 🤔

Could you elaborate further and better why if Stinc delegates a laughable chunk of its stake to minnows this will reduce the ROI of whales?
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@skramatters ·
A sobering perspective indeed...

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@skramatters ·
Reading these comments makes me feel, and choose to decide to remove myself from the conversation. Still interested to hear what the managing director will say.   

She gonna have to "nip it in the bud" as they say where I was raised up..

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@steem-ua ·
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@steemstreems ·
Interesting idea.  It would also be interesting if they delegated a small (for them) amount to random different user each day. Or maybe have delegations for referrals of new members (that meet certain activity requirements)
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@summertooth ·
Look at her holding that #steemsilverround!  Beautiful job #steemsilvergold!  I fully support this idea @taskmaster4450 and would not mind the drama that would accompany it.  I believe 100% that this would do more good than harm.
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@tonygreene113 ·
Another marvelous idea for thr expansion, growth, and possibly mainstreaming of STEEM....

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@valued-customer ·
I completely agree that modest 5k delegations would enable dramatic increases in retention, distribution, and general improvements socially.  I don't think whales want to do those things, which is why they don't do them.  As you are keenly aware, stake is highly concentrated on Steem, and profiteers use their stake to extract the vast majority of rewards.

Increasing distribution is reducing whale ROI, it's just using different words.  While there has been a gradual reduction in concentration of stake over time, due to whale selling, delegation would impact their ROI significantly and not provide them compensatory USD (or their preferred token/fiat).  The market Stinc serves is not redfish, who have but little economic power, but whales who have almost all of Steem extant.  Financially harming the whales will not prove economically beneficial to Stinc, and anyone that has pissed off the market for their product, whether as an employee or business owner, knows exactly what happens as a result.

One is soon looking for another market to serve.  

The reason this would be a very beneficial thing to do for Steem is exactly why it's a bad thing for whales, and they are the deciders.
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@whatsup ·
I suggested something like this once too.  Spread out the stake for distribution.

It also weakens the bidbots who will not clean up and provides some great balance to the rewards system.
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@acidyo · (edited)
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If we don't use the free downvotes* in hf21 to clean up the bid bot's messes my faith in this platform will probably be at an all time low.
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@enforcer48 ·
Have you seen the accounts we affectionately dubbed ``crystal dick``? Yeah, we are having plenty of fun flagging that SOB since @booster, @therising, and @promotbot are happily supplying the ass with upvotes.
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@valued-customer ·
The problem with flags isn't VP, but retaliation.  HF21 won't solve that problem and the consequences of that are predictable.  Any minnows that set out to flag botted up posts off trending are going to follow accounts already flagged off the platform.

Don't forget that flaggots like Bernie are going to get free downvotes.  

Honestly, I can hardly imagine a worse driver of user retention than the flagging that's going to be crushing newbs after HF21.  
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I agree, it not just faith it is devaluing our users, our stake and those who actually put in the effort.  It is OldSteem.
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