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Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket by taskmaster4450

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Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
[Bear markets](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-bear-market) are tough.  They are a test of resolve, something that many fail to meet.  We see how many people left due to the fact that [prices](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-price) have crashed.

For those still on Hive and being active, congratulations. My estimation is you made a decision that will work out very well in the future.

We often discuss the concept of long-term thinking on [Hive](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-what-is-hive).  This article is going to illustrate how things can change for everyone who is filling their bags.

This stems from a Tweet where someone was asking about $HIVE and what can it be used for.  It is a topic that really strikes at the core of what Hive is about.  For this reason, we will cover the essential component of what will make the base [coin](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-coins) skyrocket in the future.

As always, none of this is [financial](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-finance) advice.

<center>![image.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmdEo6LM2bgtFrGAy42PomhzTGANJR38R5txdB67LKhsya/image.png)</center>

### Math Says $HIVE To Skyrocket

We talk about building.  This is something that, after a while, can get old.  However, it is the foundation for all that is taking place.

At each level, we see activity.  This is important because we have both a [scaling](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-scability-scaling) base layer along with a [second layer](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-layer-2) that will be the feeder system.  Ultimately, the appeal of Hive is going to be the games and applications that are built on it.

The main premise we must already remember is that **staked $HIVE acts as an access coin**.  This is the main use case that will propel things to insane heights.

Just think about that for a second.  We are not talking about hype or bull markets.  Neither is required for $HIVE to excel.  Instead, we are dealing with a utility that is built in which, over time, should stimulate demand.  Market conditions aside, when demand is strong and [supply](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-supply-and-demand) rather fixed, there is no choice but for price to go up.

Resource Credits are the backend [token](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-token) (non-tradeable) system of each Hive based activity.  Each of these requires a certain amount of RC:

* posting an article or [comment](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-comment-hive)
* [voting](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-vote-hive) for a [post](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-post-hive), [witnesses](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-witness-hive), or [proposals](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-proposal-hive)
* creating an [account](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-account)
* sending HBD or $HIVE to another [wallet](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-wallet)
* claiming Hive [rewards](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-reward-pool)
* posting a [Custom JSON](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-custom-json) (most games use this feature)
* swapping [HBD](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-hive-backed-dollar-hbd) and $HIVE on the [Internal Exchange](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-internal-exchange-hive)

There might be a couple of other [base layer](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-base-layer-blockchain) features that were omitted.  Nevertheless, we can see how all activity that is tied to the [blockchain](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/blockchain) uses resource credits.  The only way to get these is for someone to stake $HIVE.

What we are left with is a situation whereby the price of [$HIVE](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-usdhive) is dependent upon the activity on the blockchain.  The two are linked completely.  If we see a massive increase in the latter, the former must follow at some point.

### How Much Per User?

An easy way to frame this is by picturing how much [Hive Power](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-hive-power-hp) is going to be utilized by the average user on Hive.  This is an impossible figure to forecast but we can play around with some numbers to get an idea.

According to [Hiveblocks](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-hiveblocks), this is the present supply of $HIVE:

<center>![hive.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmdRXxQHtYv2YhbcpTW2hDqunArWYivayk5KsnwEmAct1o/hive.png)</center>

At the same time, here is the amount that is staked:

<center>![hive.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmaxzpiLLU8Cdz6twQDc9M5sCVjsRv6WXdZaayxec5RaXs/hive.png)</center>

This means we have roughly 230 million $HIVE that is not [staked](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-staking).

Using the total of roughly 400 million, how much HP can each person have if there are 1 million users?  Obviously the answer if 400.  

Certainly this is enough to fulfill the needs of each person.

However, we already see 165 million locked up.  With [resource credit delegation](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-resource-credit-delegation-hive), this can be used for newer people.  Nevertheless, for our purposes here let us just focus upon the total.

We will presume that the average users required 50 Hive Power.  This is taking into account the expected appreciation in [resource credit](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-resource-credits-rc) prices as the chain gets more active.

Utilizing some advanced math skills, 400 million divided by 50 is 8 million.

That means we will suck up all the $HIVE in existence with 8 million people.  While that might sound like a lot, it is really a drop in the bucket.

### Internet Users

Let us look at a few applications to get an idea of what we are talking about.  Keep in mind that the future of [Web 3.0](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-web-3-0) is likely the combination of [social media](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-social-media) and finance.  This is something we have on Hive.

Here is a partial list compiled from a quick web search:

* Medium 100M 
* Paypal 300M
* Twitter 230M
* YouTube 2.6B
* JPMorgan 62M
* Bank of America 68M
* TD Ameritrade 11M
* World of Warcraft 125M

This list is of platforms that are (or could be) applicable to Hive.  While we cannot say that these numbers will be matched, the point being is that 8 million users is a drop in the bucket.  

To look at it another way, there are more than 1.5 billion estimated to be [unbanked](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-unbanked).  Hive solves this basic problem.

As we can see, mix in finance and social media results in the understanding of how small a user base of 8 million really is.

If each person requires roughly 50 HP to operate they way they desire, we can see how quickly the 400 million gets scooped up.

Simple  math.  No hype or [bull market](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-bull-market) nonsense.  

In the end, [applications](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-application) and games that build on Hive are going to provide RCs to their users.  This means those entities are going to have to stock up on HP.  Where are they going to get it?

The basic answer lies in the fact that, eventually, someone will have to start cleaning it off the open [market](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-market).  There really is no other way around it.

It is why building is so important.  Over the long term, as more users are attracted, the pressure to give them access increases.  This really accelerates when the [network effect](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-network-effect) is factored in. 

The "if" is not whether the price increases.  Instead, it is whether we get the users.  *IF* that happens, the price of $HIVE *has to* increase.

Watch the builders, they are the ones who are adding the value to the ecosystem.

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@bozz ·
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RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
Wow, those numbers are just insane.  That 8 million doesn't even touch them.  It is pretty cool that someone was asking about Hive on Twitter.  Sadly, I personally don't see that too much.  I hope more and more people get interested in what is happening here!

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RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
Is my math incorrect?

I tried to be rather conservative with the numbers and forecasting.  Yet with 400 million HIVE, it is not a great leap to envision 8 million people requiring 50 HP each.

We just need a few applications and games to break through in a serious way.

Finance could also feed into this.

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RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
No, I was saying the user numbers of the WEB2 stuff is just crazy.  That 8 million for Hive is dwarfed by the existing platforms.  I don't think it would take much for 8 million people to find their way over here.  It really gives you some perspective on stacking your Hive right now.

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RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
That seems to be the formula.

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RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
Or not so soon.  Eventually though.

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Best time to build risk free during a bear market is with hive. 
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RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
Hard to argue this mindset.

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@cryptoandcoffee ·
RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
The numbers don't lie and we just need patience whether it is one year of 5 years as this shouldn't matter. Consistency over 5 years will change your life.

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@curatorcat.leo ·
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RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
It's definitely not going to take much to set things abuzz here.

The challenge is finding an appealing pitch as to *WHY* people should flock to Hive... 99% of the world don't care about such things as *"decentralization"* and *"blockchain technology"* and *"censorship resistance."* They just want to *"have fun/be entertained online."*

And they really want the *"log in with Facebook"* level of ease of access/use... which I know is increasingly being discussed and worked on, here...

=^..^=

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The challenge, which isn't that far-reaching, is to let the different use cases of Hive (that aren't present in the existing web2) emerge. I am talking about new use cases which appeal to their entertainment/functional needs that can leverage on the HIVE blockchain that isn't yet envisioned. 

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@taskmaster4450le ·
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RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
You bring up a great point. 

People (users) ultimately only care about their experience.  We need apps to focus upon really cool user experiences.

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@dagger212 ·
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RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
It really is amazing how little it will take for HIVE to make a gigantic leap.  As you say, we just have to keep building.  At some point the infrastructure will be recognized and things will explode.  It's like everything else when it comes to progress: slow, slow, slow, fast.  Just because the price doesn't reflect it, doesn't mean progress is not being made.

Just like goal-setting, we have to keep focusing on the little things we can control.  If we do that, the big things will take care of themselves.  Quality rises...

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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
Another piece to this, which ties into the goal setting, is to keep taking action each day.  If everyone on Hive did a bit daily to move their own "business" forward, things would really change over 6-9 months.

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@finansaurus ·
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RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
My maths got stuck at a 'basic' level ( due to a terrible maths teacher, in my last 3 years of high school ) but this message is clear enough to me. 

Patience is key. 
After 5.5 years on Hive and in crypto, I know so much.



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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
Just keep building.

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@freecompliments ·
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Thanks for the mathematical insight into the division of existing resources! 😊

A couple of things to consider: 1) HIVE inflation is supposed to continue until 2040, so there will technically be further HIVE available for allocation. 2) Placing barriers to usage by raising the amount of HP required to perform activities will, in turn, become barriers to usage; the average consumer would prefer as few barriers as possible. Therefore there would have to be direct incentives to overcome the initial barriers.

The second factor may be one which inhibits growth of the platform if it's not addressed. The big players do not have any of those barriers, albeit at the cost of other things which we deem important (i.e. privacy, censorship resistance, etc.).
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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
This is why the applications will likely be the ones amassing the HP in an effort to get the RCs to their users.

Hence the onus is being shifted to the larger players, at least for account creation and initial delegation.

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@freecompliments ·
It's a proper concept if executed correctly, but would likely require the generosity of big players / benefactors. They would likely also have to reap some benefits in order to regularly do this. Community growth alone may not be a sufficient motivator, but may work in conjunction with other incentives.

A very exciting future for Hive!
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@iniobong3emm ·
RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
I even believe in alt coins attaining greater price or value than the major ones. Hive is one of the thriving asset which could make it up to $2. I am currently working on an analysis that can predict the price of hive in 5 to 10 years time if every Condition sorruounding it remains same probably that would be a simulation of several factors.

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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
It would be interesting to see the analysis.  Always enjoy reading what others think about things.

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RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
The price will increase when the number of transactions increases. I do think that Splinterlands plans on moving some of theirs over to their own nodes in the future so that might be the choice that applications go for. We just need the applications so people do show up.

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RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
I have no reason to doubt Hive housing 8 million active users in the future, we never know the DApps that will pull in the numbers in millions, we have to keep building till the DApps to transform this place into users in millions arrive. 

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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
We have some options that are in the running.  It is going to be interesting to see what shows up.

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@mypathtofire ·
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I was just searching around the available Dapps on some of the hyped Blockchains and  there are very few with anything going on or communities being built.. Hive is the place to be.
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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
Great research to share.

Isn't it interesting how that happens?  They get all the hype (and VC money) yet do not get the users.

Hive has to correct this by appealing to a broader base of people.

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@omosefe ·
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>For those still on Hive and being active, congratulations. My estimation is you made a decision that will work out very well in the future.

I look forward to the value of Hive skyrocketing as projected. Meanwhile, I had to read this twice just so I have a better understanding of all that you have pointed out. Just like many of your articles I've read, this is very enlightening. Thank you for sharing. 
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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
Stay motivated and keep consistently being active on Hive.  That is the key to success on here.

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@omosefe ·
Absolutely. Thank you!
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@pizzabot · (edited)
RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
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@rzc24-nftbbg ·
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RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
> Market conditions aside, when demand is strong and supply rather fixed, there is no choice but for price to go up.

Though there are times that it will take longer for this economic law to see at work, nonetheless, we will see it work. There is no way to avoid it. 

> Using the total of roughly 400 million, how much HP can each person have if there are 1 million users? Obviously, the answer is 400.

At least, I am now close to 4x that number. 

!PIZZA

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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
There are lots who have more than that.  That will only make it harder to accumulate in the future.

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@rzc24-nftbbg ·
I am aware of it. All I am saying is that at least I surpassed the minimum requirement in your prospective scenario.
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@seki1 ·
$0.04
Theoretically, it isn't that hard or far fetched..
I think what hive needs is that one small spark that's appealing to everyone.
Not just writers or bloggers or crypto gamers <sub>(cus lets be honest... Not all gamers are appealed by splinterland or dcrops)</sub>


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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
There are other games forming.  You are right, we need more to appeal to all sections of the gaming community.

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@seki1 ·
Yh....
There's a lot to develop 😂😂
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@stealthtrader ·
$0.03
I just made a post yesterday talking about how we reached #3 on [blocktivity](https://blocktivity.info/) and it shows over 11,000+ potentital, which could mean that we can see that much growth compared to Bitcoin.

https://hive.blog/hive/@stealthtrader/hive-is-the-3rd-most-used-blockchain-in-the-world

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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
Certainly blocktivity's ranking is a nice thing.  Sadly, few pay attention to it.  However, we are going to have to keep growing it.

What if we were doing 150 million transactions each day?  The blockchain probably can handle it.

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@stealthtrader ·
Better than any other blockchain I would guess
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@steemadi ·
but these are still large numbers

![IMG_20221229_024757.jpg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/steemadi/23tcP5TryUo66LMobwg8kmfcmLTK9u7rzgAKDhtpfvZfCNexNiE7cy7bE1vGKxQbjBJBA.jpg)
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@videoaddiction ·
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That's why I say on my posts that staking HIVE or powering up is essential to be HIVE blockchain.
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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
And when you do that, the amount of HP you have keep growing.

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@wrestlingdesires ·
>Resource Credits are the backend token (non-tradeable) system of each Hive based activity.


I think those RC will eventually be the most valuable part of increasing the price of Hive, especially when we see some of the various projects become mainstream. Imagine going from perhaps a few thousand customers to having several hundred thousand lined up for what you are selling or offering? You'll **have** to buy Hive and delegate that RC, or lose your shot at becoming mainstream.

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@young-kedar ·
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Putting it into this perspective, it's easy to see how we're only one or two Hive Dapps exploding away from seeing the price of Hive skyrocketing. Meanwhile, we continue building. 
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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
It will take a major breakthrough for an app or two.  There is no way this is not the case.  However, we know it is possible based upon the success of [Splinterlands](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-splinterglossary).

Get a few more like that and then start to cross pollinate and we could see something massive.  

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@zaibkang ·
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Interested topic and you explain it very well

Sr. Hive don't have fixed total supply like Bitcoin, so when we have 8 million hive users then hive rewards pool ( inflation) will stay same, increased and decreased what you think?

If rewards pool keep increasing with more users than we may have  1 billion hive coins or even more  , I mean is their any limit of it?

That's why I am totally confused about rewards pool, inflation or hive coin meximum supply limits, please help me to understand this? 



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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: Basic Math Says: The Price Of $HIVE Has To Eventually Skyrocket
The inflation of $HIVE decreases roughly .25% each year.  So, over time, it is decreasing.  This means that the amount in the reward pool will also get smaller.

I believe Hive bottoms out at 1% annual inflation but that will take a couple decades to get there.

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@zaibkang ·
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If rewards pool get smaller it means in future 8 million users will get very less rewards on their posts, if it's true its not a get sign 
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