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· @taskmaster4450 ·
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This is a most excellent post by the Steemit team.  Focus upon the blockchain while working with the witnesses....that is an ideal situation in my opinion.

I commend everyone for opening up the discussion about how to best strike a balance between giving low SP accounts usage while deterring spammers.  It is a very difficult task to pull off and it will take all of us collectively trying to determine what is best.

It was a tough week but there is no reason for anyone to be discouraged.  This is something all blockchains are going to have to approach.  The bottom line is networks cost money to run and this is no different.  Therefore, how are those costs covered without directly charging?

People who leave STEEM believing there are other "free" networks out there are in for a rude awakening.  There is no such thing as a free network.  

Just ask all those who get to use Facebook for "free".
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@bitmycoin ·
This is a most excellent post by the Steemit team.  At the same time you fuck the money by just post a single comment .
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@douglasjames ·
I designed a system that handles this issue perfectly. We will be launching on the Steem blockchain next year. Take a look and tell me what you think :)

https://medium.com/currentxchange/cryptovoting-with-purple-how-it-works-3d6db1df14b6
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@taskmaster4450 ·
Looks like an interesting project and in alignment with the Age of Abundance which is centered out of love/energy/vibration/conscious.  

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@douglasjames ·
You get it!! Thanks for commenting, that means so much to know that is being conveyed!!!!
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@douglasjames ·
Would you like to be involved? We have plenty of room :) Here is the update of the project I sent to the team this morning :)
Lots of ways to get involved! We are planning a steem app before SMT launches to get the Mapp up and running. 

 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EpfJ_eqIpw](url)
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@ericwilson ·
The first thing that comes to mind to me is a "sponsorship" where the  gets some sort of kickback for sponsoring hidden talent.
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@joeyarnoldvn ·
I'm for sponsorship programs, both online and offline, more over through vocational training as opposed to mere community college. On Steem for example, yeah, we could vet some if we want, sponsor them, support them, reward disciples, fans, contest participants, etc.
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@joeyarnoldvn ·
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# Shades? 
There may be 50 shades of grey between free speech and spam, allegedly. It depends on how you define spam. I'm happy with Steemit as it's better than Facebook. 

# Competition 
Steem is doing better in some ways than Gab, Minds, Bitchute, Real Video, Dlive, and other online communities. I'm totally for decentralized, cryptocurrency, blockchain networks, like Steem. I'm for privacy over safety. I'm for personal ownership, and for free markets. 

# Subjectivity 
The tough part might be in defining spam as it may mean what you may not want, like, desire, prefer. However, what I want may not be what you want. So, defining spam and hate speech, subjectively, can be cultural, social, and therefore not objective, which is a path down the wrong road.
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@lanmower ·
So relevant and so right, thanks for saying what needs to be said.
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@kennyroy · (edited)
I agree with you @taskmaster4450 and I have nothing to say! But what about a Referral System based on Smart Contracts.
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@lanmower ·
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I agree wholeheartedly, and thank you for providing a fresh, organic, COMMUNITY UPVOTED comment, not like the ones above yours.

I agree with you, unlike the nay sayers who have no clue about software development. (never mind some of their claimed 20-years-techincal-expertise who claim you can see a 8mbps twitch stream on a 56k modem, true story) The developers involved (NOT JUST STINC, EVERYONE) has done an admirable job this week, things are never expected to go wrong, and when they do, that is the measure of the workmanship, how you handle crisis.

Why pay to get your comment moved to the top in a an announcement thread? showboating.

If what you have to say isn't valuable, then you have to spend (some times charity money) on it to get it noticed, so that you feel like you're 'contributing'.

At this point I would like to call out the posers.

If your "contributions" isn't on github in the form of PR's you're not really contributing.

Throwing stones at those who do is frankly ignorant behavior.
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@nigelmarkdias ·
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> The developers involved (NOT JUST STINC, EVERYONE) has done an admirable job this week, things are never expected to go wrong, and when they do, that is the measure of the workmanship, how you handle crisis.
@lanmover

The technical chops  of the development team is unequalled, @lanmover
* Does the market agree with HF20?
* Will this ramp up DAU?
    At  what cost?
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@lanmower ·
Yes you have raised very relevant concerns.

I'm afraid the financials of the decision is out of my league, and I know it's had an impact, whether the long term effect will be positive or negative is a matter that I still watch with skeptical reservations of my own, I just feel they handled it fairly decently considering the scope of steem/steemit, not as well as a cooperate site would have perhaps, but I strongly suspect they had no intention to cause damage, and I also suspect that if they were to do it again, they would probably fair better.

We're dealing with new ground right? and that's hard to cover, next time lets all advocate smaller updates, I think that would make sense to you.
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@sircork · (edited)
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Define "showboating" - and also, produce proof of your allegations...

I define showboating as basically being a hypocrite... 

Observe your counterargument to yourself:

https://steemit.com/steem-promo/@lanmower/two-in-the-pink-one-in-the-stinc

Compared to the grandstanding above, it smells a lot like "throwing stones" and "ignorant behavior" to me... 

Never seen you in github by this name. Funny, I'm on a few threads over there in the PRs and Issues areas. Even got one of the initiatives it took a year of campaigning for passed and into condenser, so you could more easily participate in a more democratic form of governance here than was previously possible. It took a year of broadcasting on the topic, and finally proof of my allegations by another witness who documented his pass through the barriers previously set, and then the calling on of a half dozen more to force the gatekeepers to acquiesce but the win was ours that day.

What did you do again? Oh yeah,  apparently not very much of interest to anyone, for a year's worth of time "served"

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmbdfpLUe5BdngRFf7wpXpKK1LZ121CpyfcHcnNoShs6tT/image.png)
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@anthonyadavisii ·
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Boom! Headshot. I tried to reason w/ that fella a while back. You commented on that thread as well. I'd surmise he is fishing for upvotes as his statement is rather inconsistent with the objective most reasonable Steemians share against the onslaught of spam that we at @steemflagrewards fight on the daily. Would be nice if @ned gave us a delegation so we would have the means to pay our mods and contributors but I digress.

The point I am trying to make is @lanmower is commenting positive about the update which effectively hinders spammers while he will object to the flagging of same spammers which is quite peculiar. Hopefully, he takes your message to heart and evaluates his self.

Perhaps, we can all work together to make this blockchain better, be it through flags, through Pull Requests, and discussions just like this. But I'm not holding my breath about this one.

Posted using [Partiko Android](https://steemit.com/@partiko-android)
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@arthur.grafo ·
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How did you get that info about the followers? I've long wanted a way to sift mine and get rid of those who are spoiling my feed page, making it difficult for me to see posts by those <i><b>I</b></i> want to follow!
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@lanmower · (edited)
corkyyy we all love you, but you are a very naive and lonely individual.

Being in a thread on github doesn't mean that you've contributed much more than what you've done here, which is talk shit. Difference is I don't attack you for talking shit, I talk shit myself, in fact my neo dadaist blog on steem is perfect proof that I know what's up enough to hold a year long satiric comedy about it, if you don't get any of it I'm not surprised, you wouldn't.

I always dig it when you take it out on me, good material :)

It's performance is exactly what I'd like it to be, which is more than what anyone can say about your blog, cause you're always bitching about how you're not getting your 'fair share' which imho you get more than. I have no clue what you're trying to say with your screenshot, I guess the usual right? trying to make steem a little more boring?

Doesn't sound like you did much more than imagine conspiracies :)

I'm just pushing your buttons bro, lighten up a little. And wake up ffs you've been sounding like a broken record since the first day we met.
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@masterthematrix ·
What about an Referral System based on Smart Contracts. Lets say Peer-to-Peer account creation would implement a 5 -10% lifetime Author Reward System. Therefore the new User would get 25 - 50SP with its new Account.
Also possible would be a lending System where the new user has to pay back a certain Amount of Steem to its creator.

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@acidyo ·
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>Lets say Peer-to-Peer account creation would implement a 5 -10% lifetime Author Reward System.

This does not sound like something new users would appreciate, ever.
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@enginewitty ·
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Coming from a heavy MLM and marketing former life, I totally agree with you here. That borders on waters of network marketing and rarely do those endeavours  end well and further yet - would surely attract the wrong kind of audience and userbase.
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@masterthematrix · (edited)
Well this option would be only for those who are not willing to invest anything in their Steem-account. They would have to let go of some of the potential profits, therefore they would get a fully functional Steem account from the start to check everything out! Its just an option and not something that is mandatory. I mean Bitshares also has a referral system for lifetime membership something like that would be also possible.
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@taskmaster4450 ·
I heard there might be some type of RC pool that would allow the leasing of RC...I am not sure about that though.

The referral system sounds like a great idea.  It might be good to elaborate on it some more...there is a way to write smart contracts on this blockchain now.  I am not sure how it would tie into SP though.
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@novacadian ·
Saw the idea for RC delegations being floated by @therealwolf. Sounded like another vote buying  scheme to me.
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@nigelmarkdias ·
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> The bottom line is networks cost money to run and this is no different. 
@taskmaster

          There's no bottomline 
                   without a topline.
          That topline stems  
                   from DAU.

### _The bottomline_
1. Is Steemit delivering what it says on the tin?
2. Has Steemit's  deliverables been communicated?
3. a. Does a freshly minted Steemian understand this?
3. b. Who specifically within Steemit corporate owns this?
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@nitego ·
I am glad to see the platform useable again. I however can not say I know exactly what the new features have come with the HF20. I would be glad to see a quick easy to understand summary of the changes maybe short bullet point. Thanks
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@rafroldan ·
pasate por weku y me cuentas luego
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@redpossum ·
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I am a n00b here at Steemit, and very glad just to be a part of it. I don't pretend to understand the larger issues, so I'd be a fool to take sides, but I do understand very well when you say "there is no such thing as a free network". 

This same issue applies to the F2P model in online games - if you are not paying a subscription, then *you* are the product which the game company is selling.

Much respect to *all* my fellow Steemians.
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