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Hello Steemians, we are happy to announce that activity on the blockchain has stabilized. Transaction volume has returned and low Steem Power users are now able to comment, upvote, and transfer funds at an acceptable level. **Ensuring that low SP users can transact as much as possible is our #1 priority and we will continue to work with the witnesses to optimize the system to that end.** 

<h1>Scale or Fail</h1>

The RC system was all about scalability and now that it is in place Steem has never been more scalable. One of the important limitations to scaling that has been removed was a hard cap on account creation that the previous system had in place. Before RCs the number of accounts that could be created was limited based on the amount of STEEM in circulation. This is because every new account needed to be created with pre-existing STEEM tokens. 

<h2>Blockchain Subsidized Account Creation</h2>

The RC system has delivered the ability to create “blockchain subsidized” accounts, which means that it now has uncapped the scalability of the platform’s account system by introducing the possibility of account creation into the quadrillions of accounts. Prior to HF20, the hard limit of accounts was in its best case defined as the total available STEEM supply divided by the amount of STEEM spent to create an account. Now, because the rate of subsidized account creation is determined by the witnesses, Steem can admit as many people into our community as we desire, as long as the witnesses agree that it is safe to do so. 

<h1>Limiting Abuse</h1>

While this is certainly an improvement, the risk of enabling this feature is that resources may be abused by the people who are given free accounts. In fact, the flaws in the previous bandwidth system were widely understood and had several consequences that made it unsustainable and also necessitated this change. It only became *more* important that these flaws be addressed with the introduction of free account creation. The fundamental issue is that network usage has costs, and in order for those costs to be sustainable, the value that is added to the network through user activities must be greater than the cost of performing the back end operations. 

For that reason, we had to move to a system that more accurately priced resource consumption to ensure that those who were leveraging the blockchain the most were required to acquire a larger stake. However, during this process what we discovered was that the constraints the new system was placing on user experience were unacceptable. We responded by working with the witnesses to dramatically lower the cost of operations so the blockchain once again became accessible to small stakeholders. 

<h1>Iterate to Greatness</h1>

While we are certainly not satisfied with *how* the RC system rollout was executed, the vast majority of those with a technical understanding of the system agree that it is the best path forward for defending against both the short-term and long-term risks associated with having a freemium blockchain. Thanks to the flexibility of this system, we can continue to optimize it in ways that ensure small stakeholders can take full advantage of this revolutionary platform while limiting the risks associated with spam.

<h2>Promoting Viral Loops</h2>

Thanks to the RC system, we are getting a more accurate picture of how much things cost on the blockchain. But now we need to work together to figure out what to do about those costs. This means coming to a consensus about what user activities should be subsidized by the rest of us so that people are still able to join the network, participate in the community, and initiate positive feedback loops of value creation. It is not our position that, “The costs are what they are and users just have to deal with it.” But these decisions are not as simple as they might seem, and we believe that the ultimate decisions should be made in a decentralized manner, based on the will of the community. 

At the same time, we need to ensure that we are not opening the floodgates to spam, which would hurt user experience, increase the cost of running the network for everyone, and undermine the long-term sustainability and scalability of the platform. 

<h1>Join the Conversation</h1>

We are declaring the engineering crisis over. But the end of this crisis is also the beginning of the discussion about how we can ensure that this is a system that works for *everyone*. We are committed to ensuring that this is not a path we alone determine. We will continue engaging in discussions with witnesses, community members, and any reasonable voice acting in good faith for the benefit of the Steem blockchain. We encourage you all to make your views and opinions known to the witnesses, and to reinforce those views with your witness votes. 

Our mission is to develop code that you all love to use, and we are eager to participate in the process of coming to a consensus over what features this product should have. The RC system in particular was designed to be flexible enough so that it can be modified with limited disruptions in response to these conversations. But in order to incrementally improve that system toward success, it is critical that we communicate with one another and come to a consensus about changes. 

<h1>Established Standards</h1>

We have already begun discussions with the witnesses about developing common standards, not just for testing code, but for holding Steem developers, such as us, accountable to their needs, and the needs of the community members they represent. We believe that the system that will emerge from this will be far more mature, effective, and powerful than the methods in place prior to Hardfork 20. We are excited about the potential for positive change that will emerge from the challenges we have faced, and will continue to face, as a community.

We want to thank you all for bearing with us through these difficulties and working with us to continue building a system that has rewarded so many people all over the world for their creativity. Together we are building something unlike anything else in existence, which makes building it all the more challenging. We know we cannot do it alone, but we also know that if any community on the internet has a chance, it’s the Steem community. Steem on.

*It's supposed to be hard. If it were easy, everyone would do it.*
―Tom Hanks from A League of Their Own

_The Steem Blockchain Team_
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@aamirijaz ·
Glad to see this final positive announcement. It is all collective work which made this happen and things got recovered. When are the exchanges deposits/withdrawals resuming?
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@actnearn ·
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Steemit account sign up screen still shows a wait period of 1-2 week queue. Is it to be changed or what?

If not then how hf20 has eased account creation and onboarding for new users??
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@alihan97 ·
Wow nothing good they say cimes easy. Quite a good news tho Ned is really doing a great job here kudos
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@alvaros ·
Dear steemit admin, why you do not think about option Live stream on steemit page ?
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@amd64 ·
I understand that this article is about the recent F20 fork which is apparently designed to create a more level playing field for Steemit users. 

While this is all well and good and desirable, it doesn't address what I consider to be a deep fatal flaw in the system. That being the nature of the Steem currency itself and in particular it's inflationary nature.
This makes it unsustainable on the crypyo markets, and a platform built on an unsustainable currency will by it's very nature be unsustainable.

I've been looking at a few statistics. Now I'm no statistician but the stats for Steemit don't look good. Indeed it looks to me that if it continues on the same trajectory the value of Steem could well fall to zero.

I realize that cryptos in general have been taking a bit of a beating lately but I haven't seen any other crypto decline to this extent.

Besides that we have that huge drop off in posts and authors.

I also took a glimpse at the trajectory of Bitchute and noticed it was steadily rising.

This seems somewhat counter intuitive. Whereas you have two very similar platforms, one that pays it's participants and the other which doesn't. One would naturally expect that the paying platform would outperform the non paying one, but that doesn't appear to be the case here.

I must admit when I first read the Steemit White paper I strongly suspected that the Steem currency wouldn't be able to compete with coins like Bitcoin. Even though it could apparently far outperform Bitcoin in speed and efficiency it lacked one of it's most important key features.i.e. the hard cap on the amount of coins that can ever be created which makes it deflationary by design(Satoshi was wiser than most give him credit for) whereas Steem is inflationary by design.

I wrote a small article on this issue called Bitcoin and Deflation at: https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@amd64/bitcoin-and-deflation

While there other issues which could discourage the use of Steemit such as the lack of a view count(so you have no idea how many views any of your posts get, if any)which can be very frustrating and like being in a rifle range and never being able to know whether you've hit the target or not.
There's also no private messaging which makes communication with other participants very difficult, and there seems to be a lot of inequity in the system.

There's some possibility that some of these issues could be causing a decline in user ship which could in turn be partially to blame for the drop in the value of Steem. However I believe It's almost certainly the other way round.

If you think about it...Why would anyone buy Steem? You wouldn't want to buy it to hold it if you had any sense, since it's value will decline over time due to it's inflationary nature. (although it's inflation rate is decreasing dramatically due to recent changes to the system there are no plans to reduce it to zero or below, which is what would be required to make it competitive on the crypto market) So the only reason I can think of would be to invest in Steemit in the form of Steem Power.

Now...Why would anyone sell Steem? Well once you earn it on Steemit, unless you want to use it to power up, you'd be be wise to convert it to Bitcoin if you want to save it or convert that to fiat if you want to spend it.

So if we look at this from the point of view of the crypto market as a whole, what we'd see is a whole lot of Steem being sold but not so much being bought i.e the supply is greater than the demand. As long as this is the case the price/value can only go down.

I believe the Steem blockchain was created by Daniel Larimer who also created Bitshares and Eos. While Dan is certainly a genius when it comes to designing crypto currency systems it seems he's not so bright when it comes to crypto economics e.g. despite Bitshares being around for years it's currently valued at $0.01. and Steem at $0.8318.

So if the value of Steem goes much lower I can see a lot of the big players bailing out and putting their SP on the market. This will only cause steem to crash even further. Probably down to 1cent like Bitshares.

The only way I can see out of this dilemma is to reduce and/or cap the the supply of Steem such that it becomes deflationary. Then it could hold it's own even as a stand alone currency in the market where it could be highly competitive due to it's speed an efficiency.

Then with a few tweaks like View Counts and Private messaging we could see a major revival of Steemit.

The value(V) of anything is determined by it's Desirability(D) divided by it's Availability(A) i.e V=D/A (This is my own formula)
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@anthonyadavisii · (edited)
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> # Limiting Abuse

The limitations put forth via the RC system is a great step in the right direction albeit with issues; however, I think presently the pros outweigh the cons.

What we are not addressing is the abuse perpetrated by higher SP accounts especially when said account have amassed their SP via manipulation of reward distribution such as the case with bid bot abuse which is a thing even if cognizance of it falls niche circles specifically abuse fighters.

I am an engineer that has a particular ethical bent against such things and I would like to offer my expertise to combat them. The issue primarily is we do not have the SP to do so decisively. I would invite you at Steemit Inc. to peruse the @steemflagrewards project to observe how we incentivized flags via upvotes.

We have received support from top witnesses and another among, @themarkymark, has even provided a host for future ops so our essentially grassroots movement does not incur additional costs. I believe I have proven my mettle concerning my ability to perform activities that help legitimize Steem as a viable blogging platform.

I notice some witnesses don't want to sell Steem as a blogging platform but rather an investment platform. I do not blame them as existing centralized efforts to curtail abuse have left much to be desired.

This is my appeal to you today. I hope it will be read by someone with some authority. I am glad to continue my work so my friends do not become bag holders.

The question is are y'all willing to give me the opportunity. Either way, I will continue to refine my ability to serve the good people on social media blockchain. Whether it be for Steem or another variant, is entirely up to the largely community which includes Stinc and the extent in which they empower us to make a difference.

I can only do so much and I do have skin in the game so hope you take my plea seriously. We want to be able to reward our mods and co-devs with more than a $0.50 upvote as our work avails us all and is significantly undervalued imho. So thankful that @utopian-io is working on a project to reward anti-abuse.

We get more stuff like that and the golden of Steem will be forthcoming. I believe that. 

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@retiredinsamar ·
Steemit will never succeed as a blogging platform when there are bullies that will decide on what should be seen and heard, i.e., @ berniesanders and all his aliases who attempts to silence his critics. I criticized him once and now my efforts, however blog-worthy they may be, are all negated by flags. Nefarious flags. All from a guy who has gotten rich himself from stealing from the very rewards pool he claims to protect. What goes around, will come around on this "centralized" platform. Maybe someday it can be fixed (protection of free speech), but not before much damage is done to the platform.
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@arcange ·
Congratulations @steemitblog!
Your post was mentioned in the [Steemit Hit Parade](https://steemit.com/hit-parade/@arcange/daily-hit-parade-20181001) in the following category:

* Comments - Ranked 1 with 383 comments
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@arif999 ·
that is realy good news for allof us
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@armincopp ·
At least........ all seems to be working again..........

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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@arthur.grafo ·
Glad I learnt about your posts.

I am not clear about whether you are accepting new members at this time. I'm asking as I introduced someone to Steemit, helped him apply for registration and...nothing since then. No sms and no email reply. He applied as: pjttimmit


Should I ask him to wait longer, until you are ready to start again, or tell him to forget it?
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@atempt ·
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@programmingvalue ·
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I'm not sure if it's constitutional or a monarchy. It's definitely similar to parliamentary (witnesses are members of parliament voted in by users of the system).
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@atempt ·
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I rethought about it, and ned controls enough SP through his and STINC's (that is his) accounts to control the list of witnesses.
He does not do it explicitly, but since he controls his and STINC's (that is his) delegations, he still has influence over his delegatees votes.
If ned wished, it would not even be corporatism.
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@sleeplesswhale ·
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@sugarfix ·
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I was thinking that it was corporatist dystopic actually. There is set of pseudo-benign dictators at the top - the Japanese/Korean zaibatsu/chaebol model with the German SA hovering in the background
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@atempt ·
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How is the CEO a dictator if he can not pass hard forks without an approval from a "super majority" of the parliament?
And since you wrote it in plural form, who are the "pesudo-benign dictators at the top"?
Maybe I should have used the current UK governance instead of its 19th century form.
Regarding your RCs, remember that they recharge over time, and if you will play this game correctly as I do, you will grow out of this problem.
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@bashadow ·
The RC system still needs a little bit of work. Post and comments need to be separated out, and separate from each other. they are two different aspects of steemit. Once the separation is complete then constraints need to be put in place. The vast majority of spam comes in the form of comments. As I suggested in a comment to @paulag there needs to be a timer put on them:
> Example second post in less than 2 hours cost twice as much RC to post, third one in less than two hours after the second one then four times the cost of the second.

That would take care of some of the rapid fire posting. Two hour time frame is a reasonable time frame, this will I understand hurt things like the pull into steem apps  stream2steem or whatever they are called. So not rapid fire twitter recast or steepshot recast or things of that nature. The app designers will just have to look at the time frames.

>To really do away with the comment spam, second comment in less than 3 sec's ten times the cost, 3 in less than 6 sec's from the first 100 times the cost. end of bot spam. This would of course seriously curtail the ability of any vote bots to have their advertisement show on the post that paid for their use but, such is life, the bot's would still be able to vote, and that is one thing that should not have a time limit because of curation trails and bot votes.

This will no likely cause a lot more kick back than the posting issues, but the vote bots can adjust their commands to comment only once every 2 or three minutes.

Just a couple of thoughts.
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@geronimo · (edited)
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what if someone creates a twitter clone where people would like to share stuff every minute? The blockchain steem was made for all kind of dapps, not only steemit.com.
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@bashadow ·
Steemit does not control the blockchain, RC's are for steemit. It is my understanding that Dapps will have to pay their own way on the chain. So if a dapp wants to create a twitter resteamer, then the dapp and dapp user are going to have to pay the RC cost of the posting. They have not been silenced it just that it cost them more to post. "I had eggs for breakfast. What did you have" with a picture of their breakfast.
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@smooth ·
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Posts and comments are almost identical from the perspective of the blockchain. Each is a transaction that is being submitted and that costs are almost the same. In some ways posts have more cost (they are usually  larger) and for other technical reasons, with the same content, comments can have slightly higher cost.

Trying to put timers on accounts as a mechanism to control abuse does not work. The abusers will set up multiple accounts and round-robin between then to evade the limit. At the same time, responsible non-abusing users won't do this and will be the ones whose experience is made worse by the limits (which is exactly what we saw with the previous 30 second limit on comments).
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@bashadow ·
I did not realize time limits had been tried before. I know at one time there was a time limit you need to wait 20 seconds before voting, but I was not sure about for comments or posting.
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@bhaski · (edited)
@steemitblog Thank you people. I can understand the pain you are taking for maintaining this. Even debugging a code takes hours sometime. Initially when I came to crypto  honestly I dont have much hope  . Because its a human nature to not able to accept  any changes in life. We may have many doubts. But Steemit changed my entire ideology. Just looking this wonderful platform and community support I think future of crypto is going to be bright and it will change the world we see foreever. And its better to understand it.

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@masterthematrix ·
"Because its a human nature to not able to accept any changes in life."
Wow, I have never heard about that kind of statement. My experience in life is that it is changing every day. I wish you good luck staying where you are!

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@bhaski ·
@Masterthematrix  just for example I am not good at travel. If some one want to go for a trip I will avoid that. Saturdays and sundays I prefer in the comfort of home. In India we think professional course is best. Most indian parents cannot accept any other future for children. They want to marry children from their own community. When bitcoin came I knew about it and was afraid in investing about it. If I would have brought some I would have been a millionare :p Changes will happen . But we should have a will to understand and accept it. That is lacking in a conservative mindset.

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@binkyprod ·
Bugs are expected. As a gamer, I know all about patches fixing bugs from big updates, so I can understand. I did panic a tad, thinking I was being kicked off the platform for some weird reason, because that's what I tend to do, panic. Disaster averted, panic subsided ;)

Are there any plans when it comes to the SBD earnings that are now being given in Steem?

Also, a lot of content goes unseen on this platform. While promoted content is like bidding, whoever pays more, is at the top. Perhaps implementing an in-between, where we can promote at low cost and instead of being at the top, a post is reposted by the system after a certain amount of hours, a certain amount of times based on how much was paid, but with a maximum. It would not be the same as the regular promoted stuff, it would maybe be highlighted stuff. I forget who suggested this initially, and I thought it was a good idea.
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@happyme ·
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There is in existence a weekly page to list your content and promote yourself, but hardly anyone uses it, despite it is free (in fact you even get an up-vote).

If enough people actually promoted themselves on this page each week, the others going there to list their own blog might see yours and it finally serves its purpose. I don't know what it is, but people just don't allow free helper services to get over the hump by sticking with them long enough to make a difference! If you really wish to see a low-cost (free) promotion channel, please click on the #happystream tag and look for the weekly promotions posting and actually use it on a consistent basis. The more people that do this, the faster it will catch on and the better it will work.

Note that the last time I clicked the tag myself, I realized that it listed a page that promoted the #happystream tag, but did NOT actually use the tag, yet the post that USED the tag was NOT listed! Something seems terribly wrong there. Another bug in the code of steemit? Or is this deliberate suppression in favour of paid promotions?

Oh boy!!! This was SUPPOSED to be a short reply. I just clicked the #happystream tag to see what comes up. NOTHING!!! User Interface was mentioned elsewhere in the comments to this post and boy does that need some TLC. It wasn't bad enough that the search function is practically useless and 3rd parties had to create their own off-site search mechanisms, but now the tagging system has been tweeked to make it less useful. In the past, clicking the tag displayed all places the tag was found. NOW in order to find my tag, I must click the tag, click on NEW and only then do I see the contest page that promotes the use of the promotions page (but does not actually use the tag itself). The promotions page that USES the tag is not listed AT ALL. Why is that? What are tags for if not to find things we are searching for? SHEESH! Is it any wonder people get frustrated? The UI needs to be working as slick as possible to have retention. This looks like a micky-mouse operation when such a basic function doesn't work. No wonder people disappear in the crowd; and the more people we on-board, the harder it will be to find anything. That leads to frustration and people leaving. How is that good for the platform?

It seems the only way to find the promotions page is to click on my link until it takes you to my blog page, then scroll down looking for the image that says, "promote yourself".

I'm not one to give up easily, so for me to be thinking that this is a hopeless platform speaks volumes about what others might think. Get your act together steemit or you might be holding onto something that nobody but you is interested in. Sometimes it is the little things that matter way more than the big ones. Fix the small stuff before running off chasing big dreams. Remember too that you cannot judge a person by the clothing they wear. Likewise, you don't know which dust account was waiting to see if it was worth investing millions into it.
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@binkyprod ·
$0.03
Thank you for the detailed reply @happyme. The tag system definitely needs to be tweaked. Many areas need tweaking here. I am encouraged when I see witnesses like @fulltimegeek getting involved. Some people have excellent ideas that I've read to help improve the platform and no one sees it to be able to implement it. That's why whenever I remember good ideas, I mention it. I try to remember the person who originally came up with it, so they can have their fair credit, but if witnesses and programmers can take ideas into consideration and figure out how to implement things to help the platform, then there is still hope.
👍  
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@bitcoinparadise ·
Updating the witness nodes were a pain the past couple weeks but that's the price of innovation. Hats off to the team and everyone involved in the upgrade. 

We still have a lot of work to do.

Some priorities in my opinion that should be on the list besides SMTs:

* Easier UI experience, apps/services
* Communities
* Official Steemit Mobile app
* Steemit notifications
* Remove or Revise "Promoted" feature
* DEX
* Confidential transactions?
👍  ,
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@fcelier ·
$0.05
+1 for an official app ! I don't understand why it is not done yet. Of course there are some unofficial ones but I should not have to trust a shady app to use steemit on my phone.
👍  ,
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@bitcoinparadise ·
I can understand the trust factor. But we do want a decentralized blockchain so we need to eventually trust credible third-party developers and their apps. which many are already starting to do.

Just need to continue to build.
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@bjornb ·
I was quite a difficult week we all (but as a software developer, I know mostly you guys) had to go through! Now things are back to normal, and we can continue to grow. So thank you very much for that! And may the sky be the limit now! ;-)
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@bluefinstudios ·
Steemit, creation and RC's for newbies.
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@bluengel ·
> What you're supposed to do when you don't like a thing is 
> `change it`. 
> If you can't change it, change the way you think about it. 
> Don't complain.

  \- Maya Angelou
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@chadmichaellibby ·
I am noticing, at the moment, that I am not able to view my list of followers.
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@cladust ·
glad to see that  fork is finally stable.  it should keep going the same way , it's right now. everyone should benefit from it.
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@commonlaw · (edited)
What I want to know?

I have five accounts:

1. has 200 SP
2. has 300 SP
3. has 400 SP
4. has 500 SP
5. has 600 SP

Which of these accounts are going to fail to reach the dust payout threshold at a 100% up vote?
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@tcpolymath ·
Well, you're asking for a prediction of the Steem price in there, so we can't really say for sure. But at the current moment, if they were the only vote on a post or comment, 100% votes from numbers 4 and 5 would pay out and the other three would not. 

Note that it's *total payout value* that matters for this sort of dusting, so combining them with any other vote that got the post value above 0.025 would allow those votes to be counted.
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@cosmophobia ·
$0.01
I still want to know how to install  the HF20 patch. Thank you for reading my message
👍  
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@crashboi ·
This is great and all, but can we focus on getting the small people to where they should be. This is becoming more of the case that popular posters overshadow everyone else hence making content very limited. Steemit definitely need more diversity in the trending posts
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@cre47iv3 ·
Hey can you check my profile and my stats, im having medium activity and i cant do much. I think the system need a little of calibration, im at 2% of mana for comment but i can post (i think, or at least thats what can i see on steemworld) I mean, when i post i need to answer the comments of my post, and also interact with other users to grow! Im not able to do that =(

Now im just afraid about start writing because im working on some news and i cant post them in a day or two becaus the notice get outdated 

Pls do something i love steemit!
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@creatr ·
>*"...low Steem Power users are now able to comment, upvote, and transfer funds **at an acceptable level.**"*

The loud clamor I hear from those with low Steem Power and from those who strive mightily to nurse them along, ***strongly*** suggest that there is at least one of these three functions that is **FAR** from being supported at an "acceptable" level. My own two years of experience and observation of Steemit reinforce this conclusion.

I am of the strong opinion that inability to *comment at will* may very well be a Steemit killer.

Unless a new Steemian can freely comment—and thus fully exercise the "social" aspect of this blockchain's "Social Media" face—it will become nigh unto impossible to onboard new users, or to retain newbies who cannot avail themselves the social means to become known and to have their content appropriately supported.

😄😇😄
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@crescendoofpeace ·
Well said and thought out.  Thanks for this.

I would like to see a real effort to negate spammers' efforts on the blockchain, to render their posts ineffective, while at the same time making it harder to flag people making real, heartfelt posts, just because the flagger disagrees with them.

Not sure what form that might take, or if it is even possible, but I'd like to see some efforts in that direction.

I am disappointed, having read several posts saying that after HF20 we would be able to edit posts indefinitely, rather than only for seven days, only to discover that that was not true - the edit feature still disappears after seven days, despite that still making zero sense.  Oh, well.

Thanks for all your efforts on the behalf of the Steem community.  It is appreciated.
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@cryptogee ·
I realised that I was being unreasonable, so wrote this.

[Understanding Cognition: HF20 And The Actor Observer Bias](https://steemit.com/psychology/@cryptogee/understanding-cognition-hf20-and-the-actor-observer-bias)

Enjoy!

 [*Cg*](https://steemit.com/@cryptogee)
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@danilamarilu ·
Thanks for the hard work!!! I love being a part of this beautiful community, even that this year I gave felt so alone in here, my posts are being upvoted by very little people, even that I have a good amount of followers. I cannot figure what I'm doing wrong or why I don't seem to have any followers seeing my posts, also on my feed I see a lot of spam and a never seem to see the people I follow unless I search for an specific tag.
Anyways always here supporting Steemit no matter what, thanks y'all for making it possible!!!
## Steem On!!!
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@desikaamukkahani ·
Nothing is stable. Kindly dont lie. Resource credit funda is still there which is not allowing people with low steem power to to post more
👍  ,
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@dianadee ·
Thank you for the hours of hard work that was involved in getting Steemit back on track...appreciate it! :)
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@direwolf ·
Thank you for this positive update!
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@doctorss ·
great news for us
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@dominion01 ·
Back to it!  Thanks, it's stable.

Posted using [Partiko Android](https://steemit.com/@partiko-android)
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@donatello ·
Thank you so much for writing this!
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@duane.dos · (edited)
You guys are doing a great job, keep up the good work @steemitblog
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@dubignyp ·
It is not normal that the steemit.com platform still does not indicate the notification of a new or similar message. On the Steempeak or Busy platform (French-speaking), they have a notification at the top right of the screen. 

It is not normal for people to post 1 photo or see 2 or 3 poorly framed photos and have salaries at $1,000. It is not normal for there to be personal belongings of the person, which is much less interesting than many of the newcomers, for him to receive hundreds of dollars and for the newcomers who are the best not to receive a few cents. 

And now that you've updated halfway, we can't upload any more pictures, it's really very annoying for a professional photographer. 

Not normal that I have too little or no voting at all, badly classified for items better than some who receive hundreds of dollars per item! 
I am new and I assure you that this is weighing on my development. Trusting by putting our own money into it, I'm struggling right now. 
Changing a crypto in Steem I have a lot of trouble, I have to change to BTC and then to Steem which makes me a lot of expenses changes and transfers. 
You do not facilitate the tasks of newcomers and the motivation of newcomers. 

There is an imbalance with the richest, the oldest against the poorest and the newest.
👍  
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@ducky9605 ·
Hello @steemitlog, thank you for your positivity and your team. Looking forward for the day to come that we can all benefit here at steemit!  God bless us all!
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@ejemai · (edited)
**If it were easy, everyone will do it** and that is why, the Steem Blockchain and it's team of developers are different and I duff my hat for you guys being able to return everything back to a sane working state. 
Now, let the discussion for a better platform begin!
Stay awesome!
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@elicardo ·
I think the platform and the ideas that are being used to open spaces and share many things are very good. It will be necessary to establish which of those things are pro-rated, without the intention of limiting participation in order to make it more efficient. Congratulations!
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@enginewitty ·
$0.04
The suggestion I have as a witness, is to speed up the recharge rate for the RC's.
👍  
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@ericwilson ·
Pardon my ignorance, what is the word on hivemind? I must have been been mistaken but I thought it was part of HF20?
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@everittdmickey ·
how many witnesses?
it would appear that having only 20 TOP witness control the blockchain is insufficiente.
perhaps it should be decentralized a bit.
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@fyrstikken ·
what do you mean, how many witnesses and that we should decentralize a bit?

@fyrst-witness is geolocated as close to the North Pole as possible, others have witnesses in USA, EU, Africa, Scandinavia, ASIA, Australia as close to the south pole as they can.... very long list.


RPC Full Nodes on the other hand, could be much more decentralized and plentiful. I feel it is in the RPC Full Node world the real bottleneck is at the moment.

Maybe we should do something about that problem, because that is how we make STEEM accessible around the world. The more RPC Fullnodes there are, the better network we will have. 

Something we could pool together on.
👍  
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@everittdmickey ·
$0.03
If I understand it correctly Steem has 20 witnesses that control it.
the other hundred or more are pretty much superfluous as far as 'consensus' goes. 
Suppose in stead of having a top twenty witnesses we had more?
that's what I meant by 'decentralizing'.
👍  ,
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@ew-and-patterns ·
$1.06
Thanks for your great work. Everything turned out good after those difficulties  at the start of HF 20.

But now that the system is so incredible scalable, how about create some big partnerships with known companies and do a hell lot of marketing to onboard 3million new users?
👍  , ,
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@exyle ·
$0.76
Thanks for this update and all the hard work you guys have done in the last week!
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@gray00 ·
I agree, excellent updates and communication. Great work steemit inc.
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@fidelmboro ·
Minus all this English you guys should please do something about steem price.... That's my take..
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@frank3d ·
Eliminate the cleaners, their functions are not in the terms and conditions. the idea should not be just "create" sharing information is much more important. The user should be able to discern about the content he is viewing. after all, the user votes nobody is forcing him
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@freecrypto ·
One of the newest member of steemit since steemit came into existence. But, still not the sufficient growth, is what the steemit about? @steemitblog
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@freedomno1 ·
Thanks for the detailed post it is worth looking into how this system works in the long run before deciding its future, for now its stable and seems to have resolved as usable we will see how it grows in the future though.
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@ftrajit ·
Thanks for this update.Hope its enjoyble for us..
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@gabg256 · (edited)
**yeah, it's time to put creativity to work**
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@gabriellajireh ·
It's good to hear that everything is working now. Good job steemit :)
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@gadrian · (edited)
Ah, I see spirits are still heated, and that reached even the highest level...

I really like the new RC system and have made no secret of that. I also like many of the changes HF20 brings in.

I don't think we can afford the mistakes that were made this time with the SMTs hardfork, so the established standards (and their implementation and tracking) better be damn good.

I understand why @andrarchy used these words in the above post:
> how we can ensure that this is a system that works for *everyone*

He needed to calm spirits down, and *everyone* should feel included.

Reality is there is no product which works for *everyone*, and pursuing such an approach, if it wasn't only needed to defuse the situation, is probably a mistake.

iPhone may be the best type of smartphone and *everyone* wants one. However, its price reflect that, and *not everyone* can afford one.

It's not everything about costs, obviously. But one line from marketing comes to my mind, that is important: *If your product is for everybody, it is for nobody.*

I think we need to clearly define how *specific* Steem blockchain is and will be, rather than tell everyone come to Steem and you'll see if it's for you or not then.
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@geekpowered ·
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Thank you for putting it forward that you are in discussions with witnesses for developing standards for testing code.

There do need to be defined methods and standards on how the hard forks are tested...and the code needs to be reviewed.

It should possibly be considered that hard forks need to be reduced in size and possibly reviewed independently as well. Maybe they should be broken into pieces that are named and added independently, with portions possibly being put off and reviewed for longer periods.

As to the resource credits...it doesn't seem like things are properly balanced right now. The smallest accounts should be able to post once or twice a day and make a few comments. Most people only post a few times a day. Everyone should be able to vote 100% on enough comments and posts to stay below 100% VP as well.

Perhaps new accounts could be limited to at most 5 posts or comments. It's possible they could be limited further as well. People that have been here longer and gotten maybe around 100 SP should be limited a bit less perhaps, but still, 5 posts/comments per day would not necessarily be bad.

This 10x increase is a bit too much obviously though, as even with just a bit of SP, larger accounts can spam freely. A limit on some accounts may create an issue if we get some games here, but for now, we should consider if perhaps the curve should be lessened a bit for accounts as they get more SP.

Most people only need to post or comment a few times per day. A limit of 10 comments or posts on accounts of a few hundred SP might not even be noticed, for example, though that harsh of a limit might be a bit too much.
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@lanmower · (edited)
this is a valuable comment, I had to scroll all the way down the page but I finally found it, voted it to shift it up.

I would like to say that I disagree with the general sentiment behind it:

If you nerf someone under 15SP its censorship.
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@geekpowered ·
Well, I think it does have to be a huge debate on how much is a normal amount that new accounts will be fine with. I used 5 as a restrictive example. The main thing is that we need to figure out something that's usable, even if they have to work a bit to get themselves above that. Kinda like a game.

If we give them too many though, then we have to decrease the speed that the number of posts increases by or it will just allow abuse.

But, if we restrict the number of posts on the tinniest of minnows, they'll wait to post the most important of comments and posts, and work to grow.

But it is very important that everyone debates this, to get the exact number right.
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@tarazkp ·
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So far the worst post spammers have been reduced by about 80% it seems. Out of the top 10, that removes about 900 posts a day from the chain I think it was.

It is a balancing act at the moment but later on it will be more fine tunable through the delegation of RCs (when that arrives) I think as then they can reduce the 10x and then leave it up to those who want to delegate (like Dapps and communities) which means they can also undelegate if abused.
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@geekpowered ·
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You make a good point. The majority of the spammers are limited at least a bit by this change. Any ones that want to continue to spam have to hold Steem, which I suppose is a good thing.

I do think they should be a bit more limited than they are currently though. The question is how much.

If users are limited to only a few posts/comments per day until they get at least a few SP, would it really be so bad?
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@glenalbrethsen ·
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Hey, @steemitblog, et al.

Thank you for stabilizing the changes made by the hard fork in the area of RCs. While I was not among those affected beyond Wednesday morning (PDT), I know through comments and posts read that people are glad to be able to get back to it.

I don't know if it's too early for community input or not, and if I have to go through a witness, I will, but I thought I would throw out a couple of things while it's fresh in my mind.

It's mentioned in the post that discussion could revolve around subsidization of the operations of the blockchain, which in essence seems to be happening now in some fashion, given the latest patch. I'm not sure if that means that things are similar to the way they were under bandwidth, where some might have been paying for other's use, or if subsidization was coming from Steemit or some mix, but in my estimation, rather than something built in, where it just happens, that it would be better if users with more RCs had a choice what to do with it.

I am one voice, so however consensus is reached, as long as it's true consensus among all those who know they should give their input and desire to share it (I would hope for tens of thousands at least), and they decide they want a certain percentage of RCs from each user to go to those without enough to operate, so be it.

However, I would much prefer to have the option to delegate, and to do so for free or at some cost, before subsidization automatically takes place.

I know that's more complicated, and that there will be plenty who might not want to participate anyway. However, it's not that much different than what it's been with delegating SP. You can certainly upvote at lower SP, but it doesn't mean it's going to be worth enough, even at 100%, to get much back in curation, and certainly not enough to regularly grow your account.

The difference being, you can't transact at all without sufficient RCs. Even so, I'm sure there will be many here who will voluntarily give of their RCs if they have it abundance. It's been happening with delegations.

The reason for this is to avoid inadvertently subsidizing the very spam accounts that this is supposed to be thwarting. There efforts will need to be continually hampered since their accounts will live on as long as STEEM does.

That said, I would guess that before anything would go into effect that the 10 x boost would need to be rolled back. Is there a timeline for that? An estimation? I ask because it would be good to start announcing what that time might be once the subsidization method  is known, to give it some lead time and prepare people for it to occur.
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@globocop ·
Thanks for keeping us posted. I also see an effort to communicate professionally - although I think a video/radio broadcast similar to @aggroed's Witness Panel on MSP-Waves would raise Steemit's comms profile even futher. 

cc: @andrarchy
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@haedre ·
This is all very interesting and I tried to read all the comments but there are obviously too many. So I am not sure if anyone mentionned something close to what I'd like to bring up.

First, thanks @steemitblog for the explanations and the communication, however I assume you realise not everyone fully understands the technicity of HF20. Plus there is this non-negligeable amount of users who don't seem so happy about it.

Pardon me if I am wrong and I wish to be corrected but as a "simple" content creator, my point is that I haven't read anything about our "condition". It all seem about costs/scaling and while I confidently let this to the developers, I'd be happy to know (in vulgar language if possible), what exactly will improve for creators like artists, writters, musicians, bloggers, vloggers etc... 

I mean, I think many of us are looking for an alternative to mainstream networks which were a great way so far to promote our creations or businesses while connecting and exchanging with humans all around the globe (ok, Steemit does a good job with that last sentence, I did meet and discover AWESOME stuff here).

Genuine users I am sure want less spam and more than mainly posts about how to become rich with cryptos. I do read indeed that the update also focuses on spam but what is being made to attract new (*and if possible famous*) content creators?

For instance; that is a detail but lot of musicians could be interested. Unfortunately the lack of a calendar gives most of them cold feet (I imagine that this will probably rely on the creation of an external app but I am still asking ...)..

On my side I am actively trying to invite new users and I read that HF20 is going to make the creation of accounts easier but in what does it help in actually *attracting* new users in signing up? And then to keep them active? Over the few people that I succeed to make register, none have been active, there must be reasons for that. Well, it is known that many newcomers are discouraged first by the complexity and then by the fact that it looks very hard (ok ... *It's supposed to be hard. If it were easy, everyone would do it.* -Agree but...) to reach a decent level of power without spending all your time on the platform. I am not going to point all the flaws of Steemit, but there should really be something else than the rewards to attract people, I know it's the actual content quality that should do that. But this quality can moslty be reached by bringing more genuine users rather than just profiters (money obsessed people), or?

Is how attractive the network is, left to "let's see how it'll go"?
Or are there actions done to increase that attractivity?

I did read somewhere that @curie and other curators were, despite their huge role in helping minnows, not enough. Indeed, haven't seen any new. 
More scary, why did truly supportive accounts like @ocd and @slothicorn become inactive?

At the moment, minnows rely too much on the good willing of whales to get decent upvotes but for most of us, I believe the hope is to have a community that could sustain itself (upvoting each others) without depending of whales, or at least, less. Increasing rewards for real qualitative content seems one of the biggest deal.

My worst vision is that the system creates more and more inequality, that we all end up voting only for content that is sure to bring money (in other words, always the same accounts) and discard content that we like but don't bring $. And I am not mentionning the obvious worst, the crash! :D

Maybe issues like that are planned to be worked on in the future and that the most important at the moment is indeed, to make the platform sustainable, I'd understand but again, shouldn't we be reassured that this is taken in consideration? And even if it gets stable and sustainable technically and costly, getting more user onboard should be a priority.

It is totally possible that regarding my noobism I am missing or misunderstanding that *there are* incentives regarding those issues, I'd then ask to pardon my ignorance but would please still someone light my lantern?

Because really, if this place is *really and only* about money, the best content and comments will always look fake and boring. I am afraid it'll never attract much more genuine creators. 
Again, as "simple" creators who are not technicians, we need to be more listened to. We might be unaware of how works the motor but our opinion as drivers does count.

Thank you all and sorry for my rather negative and inquisitive tone, be assured I still have faith and looking forward what's coming up!!!
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@llfarms ·
It’s because curie doesn’t have enough support.. it’s capable to do large scale.. but with only 100k sp, they are limited...
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@hiroyamagishi ·
***I love this 😍***

> It's supposed to be hard. If it were easy, everyone would do it.
> ―Tom Hanks from A League of Their Own

https://youtu.be/zyiQl2mDHsE
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@ifty40 ·
tnx for the update
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@imawreader ·
I am so glad that the developments are driven to the community. It was recent when I started following announcements regarding the changes to the platform and it was astonishing to  ever witness a striving community through trials and changes. 

I believe it would be best to have everyone follow @steemitblog (The Steem Blockchain Team) to let everybody know that you guys are there doing everything you could for the betterment of the steem blockchain. In that sense, it could be a reason why not to leave the steem blockchain.

Big things are coming up ahead and everyone is here to witness it. Steem on!
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@improv ·
Well, good. Good tone to this update. That's more important than you might realize. But good on you for finding lessons to be learned. My two cents (literally) is that commenting and posting, up to 100/day should be subsidized, with subsidies petering off as accounts reach levels where they can afford that on their own. Reputation could be a good tool for controlling spam, but not as currently implemented, where it's too easy to manipulate and whales have outsized influence on rep and some are malicious actors.

A system of rep, divorced from SP and the SP of people who like or don't like you, should be found. I acknowledge that per account voting is also not a good option. I don't have the solution now.

This whole thing has brought to light the influence of a few accounts on witnesses.  This also seems problematic. Considering that there are several disabled witnesses in high ranking positions, I cannot imagine that all the large accounts are actively updating their witness votes. Deteriorating witness votes makes some sense to me. After 7 days, perhaps prompting users to actively renew their witness votes or each vote loses 25% of its stake value as far as choosing witnesses goes?

Dunno. Lots of dunnos, but I'll keep thinking.
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@improv ·
OOf. Just chatting with a new user. @ferrate... went to his account. He's seems like a typical new user who would be expected to add to the platform like any user. And I can see that he's only able to make 19 comments/recharge... so, like 4 a day, and only if that's his only interaction with the platform. (according to the calculations on steemd)

That still seems too low for any new user to interact with the platform like they naturally would. We need to increase the allocation of RCs to low SP users, even at a cost of RCs to high SP users. Multiply it by 10 again, and reduce it for large holders. Or something. This problem is not solved. I hope the team is aware of that.
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@indigoocean ·
$0.68
I'm glad to hear of the commitment to collaborating with the community in charting the forward trajectory of steemit. Even more so, I'm glad to hear of STINC prioritizing the ability of new users to function adequately on the platform to **possibly** have a positive enough initial experience to even think of buying STEEM to invest more than just time, assuming they have the funds to have the choice. My greatest concern was that one way or the other, very few new users would wind up staying long enough to see the true value of this place.

I'm still trying to understand what happens when someone just lands on the Steemit website and signs his/herself up.

*How many SP do they get?*

*How many RCs do they get? (in terms of what they can do with it, such as x daily comments)*

*Where is the "money" coming from to secure this for them?*

*Are they automatically getting accounts now, or do they still wait 3-14 days for manual vetting?*
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@roundbeargames ·
$1.34
i share the same concerns. at least i'm kinda glad people are coming back after a few days of lockout (very slowly..)

when @steemitblog says we now have an 'acceptable level', it looks like they wanna hide the facts, or oversell themselves. why not just make it clear? 15sp = how many posts and votes per day? resource costs will be dynamic, so maybe give an estimated range? who defines this 'acceptable level' in the first place? why not say something like 'we think x comments and x posts per day for a new account is the acceptable level'? are they afraid of admitting the fact that steemit inc wants to define everything instead of trying to come up with free market solutions?

> Ensuring that low SP users can transact as much as possible is our #1 priority and we will continue to work with the witnesses to optimize the system to that end.

why not just tell us what they mean by low sp? to ned 100,000sp is low as fuck. to me, 15sp is low and 100sp is high, and 100 comments, 20 posts per day is the minimum acceptable level for a new account with 0 investments. why not just give us ned's honest thoughts and let the community start talking about what the right numbers are?
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@indigoocean ·
It really is confusing to have a discussion around subjective ideas like "transact as much as possible." It can't be literal, obviously, so how much is it? 

We can have a fruitful community discussion about how much is enough. But first we have to know where we're starting. Are things okay now without needing to adjust that further? If not, we can't expect to hear it from the ones who can't post LOL.
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@lanmower ·
this is pure speculation, but from low I understood that 0-15 range, where usability will now suffer without locking you out completely.
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@smooth · (edited)
$0.16
1. New users get 0 SP. They get RC equivalent of 3 SP as "free" RCs so the are able to use the blockchain. They also get delegated 15 SP from Steemit (which is Steemit's current practice but could change at any time).
2. With 0 SP you can make about 3 comments every 5 days. With 18 SP worth of RC (above 3 SP + 15 SP) you can make about 30 short-to-medium length comments every 5 days (however, other actions will also use RC, generally at a slower rate, and reduce the number of comments. These numbers may change according to system usage (and/or future software revisions).
3. The basic 3 SP worth of RC on free accounts is being paid by the Steem community as a whole. As new users are given free RC, everyone else's RC becomes worth less. The 15 SP delegation is provided by steemit using the massive portion of SP (around 80% of the total at the time, altough something less than that now) they got during the chain launch.
4. As far as I know there is still vetting, but I don't have any details.
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@geekpowered ·
Thank you for laying this out.

I think that if we keep these restrictive numbers, it might be necessary for groups to pop up that delegate to new users that show promise, in order for them to be able to continue to post and comment until they get their first few payouts.
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@indigoocean · (edited)
This is incredibly helpful! Thank you.

edit: just did a post sharing your answer with more people.
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@informationwar · (edited)
$0.70
Is it true that any upvote(solo or collectively) that is less than 0.03 won't be counted? And please correct me if I am wrong on something here... But... 

From what I understand, previously if enough people upvoted and pushed the vote payout to over 0.02 it would be added to the votepayout. I have some people telling me this is no longer the case. 

If that is true, this makes anyone who has 350 ish SP's 100% vote worthless, as it isn't above 0.02 in vote payout. So the only real reason to own some SP then is to have just enough to utilize the network. In the future if prices go back up their vote would be worth something, presently it is not and just counts as a "like" and adds no value.

That is most sad for us, because most of the people in our curation trail's upvotes are worth nothing now. Someone who has 1,000 SP and upvote follows us at 20%, their vote does nothing now.

I think this should be changed to accept a lower value WHEN the price of Steem/SBD is low. it makes sense for the threshold to be variable in my opinion. If prices rise then the threshold rises, but not linearly.
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@abwasserrohr · (edited)
In my opinion, thats encouraging people to delegate to large promoting services instead of doing any meaningful curation by themself. Thats sad... =(
EDIT: Ok, seems to be not that worse.
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@lanmower ·
only if they have under 30 SP though, which I think is fine, those people aren't all that tempted to delegate.
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@commonlaw · (edited)
What I want to know? @steembasicincome

I have five accounts:

1.  has 200 SP
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4. has 500 SP
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Which of these accounts are going to fail to reach the dust payout threshold at a 100% up vote?
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@abh12345 ·
https://steemit.com/utopian-io/@crokkon/how-will-the-hf20-dust-vote-changes-affect-the-vote-values

https://steemit.com/utopian-io/@crokkon/got-upvotes-but-no-payout-an-overview-of-the-situation-around-the-minimum-payout-threshold-1536870593455
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@smooth · (edited)
$0.04
I don't know the exact number in terms of value (it likely depends on the market price of STEEM), but what was done is to convert the dust vote threshold where votes would previously have been rejected altogether, into a deduction where you can still vote but it doesn't have any effect on reward.

Any vote that you would have been able to make at all (without it being rejected with an error message) prior to this update does count. Votes _that would have been rejected altogether before_ are now accepted as "vote only" (no reward).


EDIT: I looked in the developer discussion and it seems the threshold was estimated at something like 0.0001 STEEM. This affects truly tiny votes, not most merely small ones below 0.01 reward.
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@steembasicincome ·
$0.03
There are two different dust mechanics. 

The first is the *dust upvote* threshold, which is set at 50M rshares (closer to 0.001). Before HF20, upvotes below this level were not even accepted. Now all upvotes are decreased by this amount, so upvotes below this are treated as 0 but still work.

The second is the *dust payout* threshold, where posts/comments below the threshold (I think it's actually 0.02, but it's frequently cited as 0.03 to allow for variance in the value before payout) are not paid out. When a post fails to reach the *dust payout* threshold, there is no payment. As long as the post exceeds the *dust payout* threshold, then all upvotes that are above the *dust upvote* threshold are still counted.

For evidence of this, look at the curation history on an account like @sbi10...  which does a lot of small upvotes for the smallest enrollment levels in the SBI program. The rewards you see here are from votes that ranged from 0.004 to 0.056 in value.

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmYEMAGECbSGeyvu8VvqmYRCoQcQQ7WVrGDDSH2YwMAw4W/image.png)
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@giddyupngo ·
$0.03
Well said, thanks for clarifying this!
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@innovit ·
good job and thx
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@investwarrior ·
I think low power accounts cant change passwords, there is transaction broadcast error
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@jacobtothe · (edited)
[We need to know what you will do to avoid problems like this in the future.](https://steemit.com/steemit/@jacobtothe/post-fork-assessment) I know this RC system update meant some major changes, but this kind of usage issue and negative RC problem need to never happen again. We need up-front banners when changes are coming instead of these after-the-fact statements. We need clear descriptions of the planned changes and potential problems. We need better testing. And we need to re-evaluate all our witness votes in light of their acceptance of such a broken fork.
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@jaenal21 ·
I hope this steem will be better. And I believe it!
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@jigsindian ·
I am not getting how curation is working after this fork .,why part of payout is getting burned and what is the ration for burning
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@jimmyfotogallery ·
$0.02
As Steemit user, I would appreciate if Steemitblog/ Steemit can make a video explaining what is happening and what has been improved. Most of us are not technical/ have time to digest the articles posted on Steemitblog regarding the recent modification.
👍  ,
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@joeyarnoldvn ·
Steemit is a lot better than Facebook for so many reasons. When was the last time Mark Zuckerberg publish an update, a fork, like this? Long ago, Mark said he wouldn't sell data, but then he sold data. Steemit may be doing better than Gab, Minds, Bitchute, Real Video, and other websites. May we continue to do our part in making history each day before it is too late.
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@jourbina ·
Excelent work
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@julieabbi2 ·
Hello I am feeling stuck witb very limited access to votes, replies etc...

I would like to vote more than 1 to 3 times a day.  When I vote I can not reply.and I do not even try to resteem any thing cause one and then nothing else. Please explain and or help fix this issue. Thank you if anyone is about.
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@justastic · (edited)
We're done here.  **We don't respond well to censorship.**

We moved from Facebook/Twitter/Youtube to Steemit with the expectation that we would have an open forum for sharing of information.  That has not turned out to be the case. 

We have been actively censored in two ways.  First, if someone with more steem power simply does not like one of your posts, they can FLAG it and it becomes invisible to your subscribers.  The potential for abuse here is substantial to say the least.  It is effectively "pay to censor".  This happened to us when we shared a link to a documentary last month.

Second, we were censored from posting anything during the fork.  Like many in the community, we received a message that we had exceeded our bandwith because we didn't have enough steem power and were encouraged to purchase more steem.  Sorry.  No.  

It is fast becomming apparent that the developers of this platform care nothing for promoting free speech but rather are looking to make money wherever they can.  We have never posted one piece of spam yet we are being treated as such.  All we have done is try to bring awareness to what is going on in the world and we have been treated WORSE than other MSM platforms like Facebook or Youtube.  

Steemit was supposed to be the solution to the censorship in the world.  In effect, it's made it WORSE!!!

We're done here.  If you wish to receive our STOCK MARKET UPDATES, please send me an email to support@hyperprime.net and we will include you on our email list.   You can also follow us here until we can find a more open platform.

Follow us on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hyperprime-Technologies/566039940081321

Follow us on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/intent/follow?original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fhyperprime.net%2F&screen_name=HyperPrimeTech&tw_p=followbutton

Good luck everyone.  May the odds be ever in your favor.  

Act Accordingly,

The Market Vigilante
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@karenmckersie ·
This Is awesome,  well done to everyone on the team @steemitblog ! the future of this awesome platform is going to be EPIC!
 **loved your last quote:**
***"It's supposed to be hard. If it were easy, everyone would do it."***
―Tom Hanks from A League of Their Own
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@katakoto ·
Thanks for update and your hard work to make steemit stable. I translated this article for japanase community. thanks. https://steemit.com/japanese/@katakoto/steemit-news-hf20-update-operations-stable-or-hf-20
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@kenmelendez ·
Appreciate this @steemitblog. I had no doubt that things would return to normal. Onwards and upwards towards a stronger, more powerful blockchain and community!
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@hiroyamagishi ·
It is great thing that we do not need another chain to make a hard fork for better improvement. In Steem, we can upgrade and adjust to the trend of the community easily.
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@kennyroy ·
Thank goodness! I am happy now! LOL Resteem!!!!
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@kgakakillerg ·
Thank you for the update I was a bit worried about it at first but now everything seems ok good work 👏
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@khan.dayyanz ·
We are very grateful to you for all the efforts you made during the last week to make the system stable & useable for everyone. Keep it up!
Thank You once again & to all those who supported the system during hard times.
Regards, @khan.dayyanz
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@lecumberre ·
Yo, de corazón, les hago llegar mi felicitación, y mi reconocimiento por el éxito de esta actualización. Tienen paciencia, tolerancia y capacidad de resistencia, como para soportar tantos ataques y críticas de algunos que se pusieron agresivos y expresándose de manera no cónsona,  y hasta 
 soez, pese a su alto número en la  reputación.  Puedo decir que siempre estuve aupándoles a ustedes porque tenía fe en lo que estaban haciendo.

Dios les bendiga y coadyuve a seguir trabajando en beneficio de la comunidad.  Feliz día.
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@leslierevales ·
This is a great step in cutting other people's greed as some tend to create dummy accounts and uses it to participate, recognizing an article from the other which is literally its main account. This must be a community where positive communication and interaction, building a fresh relationship with the other individual out there is being ensured to be safe and "real". This activity shows that flaws cannot be tolerated for a long time. So let's quality and the real work of art prevails! :) 

___
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@lordgangler ·
I'm just here for the money
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@lovejoy ·
Amazing work y’all! I know a lot of sleep was lost during this process, so rest up and prepare for the days ahead! The Steemit devs and supporting team are complete and utter champions in my book!  If anyone thinks this was supposed to be easy then you don’t have a clue the kind of groundbreaking work that is happening here.  

Stand firm, press on!
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@luca1777 ·
Nice Post, Steem Blockchain Team.
I hope this is the "way to go".
Here are some of my experiences /
constructive criticism:

First:Technical problems:
From my beginning certain Steem Apps
wasn't working with Firefox, yesterday
e.g. was the first time steepshot worked
with firefox. Before that only Chrome, but
i think we should all keep a distance to 
Google.
Same problem with dtube, i will try firefox
with my next video...
Dlive only works with SteemConnect, which
was "blasted" by a couple of members for
its "holes"... no thanks, trust gone.Safe!?
Next: Dsound
IPFS still not installed in Berlin or better worldwide..!?
As a DJ & Producer Dsound would be pretty
important to me... and the "Install IPFS yourself"
is a bad joke....gimmi a break ;)
I wrote Blogs to Dsound... no answer.

Second: Vampire Blockchain vs Dan Larimers
Philosophy? Let me explain:
Dan Larimer wrote that one of the keys
to this blockchain is "Non violence", right...
compared to the world we was born into.
Well, than i ask myself why a biiig 
Steempower is the ultimate goal to 
earn and "suck" as much out of where...?
And "muscle" the weaker steemian.
I observed this in own experiences &
observing others, which is the most
"aggresive" in my opinion.
Like in the "old world" the Big Fish
"muscles" the small one.
I hope this got better!
Because that created following
thinking inside of me when i check
my feed....:
I can not "like"/upvote someone 
"stronger" than me... or, i will
get "muscled".
So, that would end up in 
"muscle or get muscled"...?
Non violent???
Get my point?
Peace out.
1 Love
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@luiggih ·
The big question here is: why this update does not address the bot bid system? I think the platform seriously needs to be real ( content goes viral because actual humans upvote it )
All things equal, I think will severaly boost platform usage & long term perception by users.
👍  
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@ma1neevent ·
$0.07
@ned, we would love to interview you on our Steem community based talk show, "Ma1ne & Snekky" if you'd be interested in chatting with us sometime! Our show can be found on my @ma1neevent profile.  Thanks for Your time, and appreciate everything you guys are doing.
👍  ,
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@maad666 ·
thanks for help social to use steemit and continue to do well .
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@mansi94 ·
Nice project
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@mansi94 ·
Nice project
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@marcocasario ·
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@maria1989 ·
Thank you for your commendable work to offer us this best service. Excellent @steemitblog!
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@mariawilson24 ·
Good to see this type of update.
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@mattockfs ·
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@joeyarnoldvn ·
$0.10
# Love your meme. 
Was this from the 1980's? Is this like Fake News Silent Bob or what was his name and did he pretend to be somewhere where he was not or was he saying what was happening behind him was not happening at all, like the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain? Classic!
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@mattockfs ·
The Iraq minister of information during the invasion of Iraq by the US in 03.
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@max-steem-room ·
Let's do this!!
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@mentalhealthguru · (edited)
I have an idea. Why not have a monthly poll of like 10 new features or slight improvments and everyone on steem gets to vote for three which youbhave to focus on next. Then we vote for the witnesses we know will follow this vote by passing the updates through, ive seen this done on games. Surely following the users needs would make a better more popular user network.
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@mentalhealthguru ·
$0.03
Also what happend to editing older than 7 day old posts?
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@drutter ·
I was also wondering this, as it was hinted at long ago, and then promised, but I haven't heard anything about it since HF20.
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@mericanhomestead ·
I have been very disappointed with Steemit Inc over the last 6 months.  I think it all started with @ned deciding that Steemit shouldn't compete with Facebook. Facebook is ripe for dethroning in the social media world.  People are sick of the censorship with both FB and YT. 

What I have seen is a severe lack of competitiveness of Steemit Inc in this space. They seem to be happy with staying in their lane and not trying to fight for market share and win over users. That attitude does not help holders of Steem. Eventually, a cut throat, top quality decentralized blockchain based social media platform will come around with the intention of being the next Facebook or YT and will win the day in the market and Steemit will still be in their lane. 

I came here because I have a large audience on both FB and YT.  I am sick of the censorship and data manipulation that happens on both platforms. I've been here over a year now and this community still seems content with being in BETA and they are just now saying they have figured out the signup problems.  

Do you know how many hundreds in my audience emailed me and told me that they couldn't sign up?

>“You Never Get A Second Chance to Make a First Impression” – Will Rogers

Well, I'm sorry but @ned blew it. Those people were also hungry for a Facebook alternative and they came here looking for something new and couldn't even get signed up. They won't come back. 

I've been in the ad and marketing business for a long time and I know when a company has the stones to go all the way in a competitive industry. Steemit Inc. has not shown to have those stones.  It's been missed opportunity after missed opportunity. 

1. In April of this year, it was front page news that Facebook was losing millions of users on its platform.  Steemit said nothing. That was a huge missed opportunity for a press release to let the world know that Steemit was a Facebook alternative.

2. Just this past week, Facebook was hacked and it effected over 50 million Facebook users! Again, crickets from the Steemit team and no press release boasting of decentralized blockchain technology at this platform. Another missed opportunity. 

The bottom line is Steemit Inc is not serious about competing in this space.
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@miryam ·
!popcorn
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@popcornexpress ·
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@mountainjewel ·
thank you for this! 

i really appreciate that you're trying to reach consensus regarding this. as it's difficult to reach T20 witnesses, I created a public form in my latest post

[Share Your Opinion: Reaching A Consensus on Subsidizing Activities for Newcomers](https://steempeak.com/@mountainjewel/share-your-opinion-reaching-a-consensus-on-subsidizing-activities-for-newcomers) 

explaining where we're at and inviting people to share their opinions. in this way, witnesses can come to us!

 I think bringing the opinions of good actors from all different circles of Steem will be helpful. I look forward to hearing some ideas from witnesses about the subsidization plan to make sure newcomers have a good user experience. 
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@movievigilante ·
I love that Tom Hanks quote. Also, there's no crying on the blockchain.
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@andrarchy ·
YES
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@mukhtar.juned ·
Thanks for your information @steemitblog
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@mysearchisover ·
$0.11
Great post! lol 
Maybe you could incorporate some of the old bandwidth features into the new system so people with low Steem Power could use the blockchain at night when bandwidth usage is low?
Just an idea.
Another would be to respond to comments. Ned responded to a few comments which I thought was good and helped provide valuable insights. 
It seems like the top 20 witnesses have backup nodes. I'm not sure why we couldn't use backup nodes when things went down although I'm not a coder.
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@netuoso ·
$0.36
While the account system is good in theory, in practice the RC costs are driven way too high for the mere mortals that don't have SP holdings that resemble those of @steem.

I suppose the comments stand true because, despite no one else being able to participate, @steem will be able to create accounts indefinitely without depleting their STEEM holdings.

Overall good work with the RC system. Not so good work with the discounted account claim system.
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@jga ·
$0.48
This is my opinion about the number of discounted accounts set by witnesses.
@steemitblog in an [old post](https://steemit.com/steemit/@steemitblog/proposing-hardfork-0-20-0-velocity) mentioned that the idea is to be comparable with others social networks, and they put the example of Reddit, which has 468 million accounts.
So, following that idea, this is my proposal:
Year | New accounts | Total accounts
---|---|---
2017 | 420k | 420k
2018 | 590k | 1 M
2019 | 9 M | 10 M
2020 | 90 M | 100 M
2021 | 500 M | 600 M
Let's move from 1 million accounts to 10 million accounts in the next year. That is 9M new accounts, which represents around **25000 accounts per day**. Then every day the blockchain would give 25k tokens for new accounts, and no matter if creators claim the account that day or they hold the token for the future, we know that in long term we will have 9 million new users.
If we see that this first step went well, and the witnesses can support this big community, then the next year scale by 10 again with 90 million new accounts. And the next year 500 million accounts. Very big numbers! but I'm optimistic that it can be achieved.

The point is, as much as discounted accounts increase then more people could claim them and this option not only @steem would have it.
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@steemmatt · (edited)
What I don't see is how this rate can grow when this was an excerpt from @steemitblog's recent post:

> "Who doesn't care about user acquisition and retention? Steemit.com? If that is your answer, you are correct. They do not care. Nor do they care about their UI. @andrarchy reaffirmed that clearly. They are completely focused upon the blockchain and feel that is where their resources are best suited. Some might disagree but that is their viewpoint."

I responded with this [comment](https://steemit.com/busy/@taskmaster4450/steem-freemium-is-not-free#@steemmatt/re-taskmaster4450-steem-freemium-is-not-free-20180930t131011561z) about how it's critical to treat this interface a top priority because the people (users) will be the future businesses and/or referrers of businesses the company is expecting to have come in by the thousands down the line.  The users will be the biggest funnel for viral marketing and promotion, given their experience, understanding and relationships in the blockchain space.  

Not prioritizing their experience, the primary platform through which they interact with the blockchain, and most critically "**user acquisition and retention**" could really come back to haunt.  It's also a worrisome mindset to hear because what business would want to bring or build their customers on a primary window to the blockchain that will openly say that they don't prioritize these things?
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@sircork ·
You spend a lot of time thinking about men sucking cocks, @netuoso and apparently you also spend a lot of time thinking about me. Which is odd, because i spend zero time thinking about you until ginabot reminds me you are a sociopath again. 

You see, Im not sure what your goal is, you seem to love wasting mana and RC, and for what? My comments dont have rewards I care at all about and rep? LOLOLOLOLOLOL means nothing, and IF it did, id just bot it back up. But its a useless tool, just like YOU, you little assclown. Go spend your money on some platform shoes so you can reach the dicks you daydream about easier. 

And please do carry on flagging. It makes you look so macho and tough and cool.

Now Im off to handle things that dont concern children like you. Go back to laying in your treefort at mommys and staring at the ceiling with your butthurt on fire over me. I enjoy that image of you, all contorted and angry, while i go back to forgetting you exist again till you light up ginabot like the obsessive little fuckwad you have always been.
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@smooth · (edited)
The budget on free/subsided accounts is currently about 14000K/day (0.5 accounts/block) of which maybe 5K-10K will be practically claimable. If steem/steemit claims them all using all of their SP/RCs then someone with 1/10000-1/5000 as much SP/RCs would be able to claim one such account per day (at the cost of exhausting their RC for the day; possible acceptable). That doesn't get down to minnows, but it does get down to a good number of (arguably) mortals. Possibly around 10K SP or so, as a rough number. Someone with around 2K SP could claim an account and exhaust 5 days of RC. In some cases, people may absolutely prefer to just pay the 3 STEEM.

These numbers may be change though. Nobody really knows at this point what the budget should be (or the per-account fee).
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@edicted ·
Yes, you have to imagine that if Steem went x100 the account creation fee would be drastically lowered.
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@kabir88 ·
$0.09
Are Resource Credits (RCs), transferable? Is that linked to the steem power or is it independent?
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@mstafford ·
Great breakdown -- thanks for that. I've been wondering what the RC costs of account creation are.
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@newageinv ·
This is exactly what we needed to hear for the team.  I hope the witnesses and community align with the ultimate goal trying to be achieved here.  The only additional feedback I would provide to you is please improve the transparency and communication of the process.  It is clear that when crisis arise, that teams are prioritized to engage the challenge but better communication is needed to manage expectations.  Thanks!
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@nigelmarkdias ·
$0.21
##### Appreciate this update, @SteemitBlog
##### No SNAFUs to report, thankfully.
> Thanks to the flexibility of this system, we can continue to optimize it in ways that ensure small stakeholders can take full advantage of this revolutionary platform while limiting the risks associated with spam.
@steemitblog

##### 1. How does @Steemit  @SteemitBlog define spam?
##### 2. What are the specific tools available as a result of RCs to reduce and/or eliminate spam?

> It's supposed to be hard. If it were easy, everyone would do it.
―Tom Hanks from A League of Their Own
@steemitblog

It's _supposed to be hard_ to duplicate the chain tech.
Not hard  for a newbie to use it or _do it._

        The  user, the user

        Not the developer,  
             not the tech genius,
             not the geek.
 ### Focus on the user; all else will follow.
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@nonameslefttouse ·
$0.14
[Are Resource Credits Preventing Spam? Yes (Proof Inside!)](https://steemit.com/life/@nonameslefttouse/are-resource-credits-preventing-spam-yes-proof-inside)

Have a look at my findings (with a hint of humor).  I was impressed with what I saw, see room for a bit of improvement, offered a suggestion.  I don't feel like writing everything out again here though.  Comment section is also jammed and a couple of good ideas popped up.

Enjoy.
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@andrarchy ·
Thanks for the link, really interesting stuff.
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@nonameslefttouse ·
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It's interesting; until people realize that's how I spent my Saturday night...
<sup>*buh dun tss*</sup>
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@hiroyamagishi ·
Entertaining, lol. I have read your blog 😇
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@oaldamster ·
On a _geek_ level the need for HF20 was and is clear to me. For a lot of Steemians it was like their car broke down, it was mainly an unpleasent experience. 

Good that it was done and great to know that it is balance now. Tuning the RC system now probably can be down in the backgrond.
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@onibyron ·
I thank the steemit team for their hard work which has excelled this wonderful community to new heights! It was definitely affecting small steemit users due to the processes of uploading videos was stopped on a screeching halt, thus veered some of us to a different platform. I was also among the people on this platform not being resolved of this uploading issue but allowed the Steemit team to work with time since this is a site in its adolescence.  With this new system in effect, we will now have to work in a symbiotic relationship to overcome new obstacles!
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@originalathena ·
Yay!!!!!!!!!!
![6D48668B-9688-4AC8-A4DA-16CA9DB664C3.gif](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmQBdb8urz5NMuXo6DKmCyhuEfyApB51ygmsvzb8bHNYbF/6D48668B-9688-4AC8-A4DA-16CA9DB664C3.gif)
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@orlena ·
Excellent post.
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@owayneforrest ·
Thanks very much its more easer and better for everyone. I feel so good
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@paulcaraway ·
Thank you for the update...things do appear to be back to "normal", what ever that really means. :) I would say operationally a-okay. It was a tough bullet to swallow or take but, as we can all admit it was necessary to move this blockchain forward into the future, Congratulations on making the decision and following through. Now for the next phases for this blockchain! Looking forward to the future!
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@peekbit ·
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Hello @steemitblog... Could somebody have a look at @kingzero's RCs please. I remember we all have got 10 times the RCs after HF 20. Maybe he didn't... Writing this in his name because probably he can't. Thank you. @peekbit
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@penderis ·
1. Delegate RC not SP ... pretty please
2. Congratulations! By the looks of it your new account creation rate is higher than all the inbreds popping out babies :)
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@phanthang ·
Hello! I'm new, I still do not understand what the witnesses have in Steemit?  What rights and obligations do they have in the community? 
And do they help any newcomer like us?
I hope everyone here will explain to me. Thank you so much!
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@phgnomo ·
How about do a better PR (better information) and not overinflate the results (HF sucess)?
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@prakashghai ·
Time to Mooooooon
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@princeshrestha ·
Umm lets see  how it works untill last ..
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@programmingvalue ·
$0.13
Glad to see that the blockchain is recovering after a rough few days. Adding RC credits is a good call imo.
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@pyemoney ·
Good to hear about the development of standards. Thanks for the detailed update and for the hard work.
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@rafroldan ·
lean español señores, mas incoherentes no se puede ser, te quiero incluir pero debo pasar por los testigos primero y obtener su apoyo, wao se la comieron, todo esta bien pero vamos mal, en pocas palabras eso es lo que dicen, hablamos de comunidad pero, peeeeero los testigos primero y las grandes ballenas, y los pequeños que se jodan, no me vengan con hipocresia que si antes costaba ahora cuesta mas, por mi que se caiga steem, la verdad ni me afecta y les regalo la cuenta si gustan.
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@rest100 · (edited)
Still no answer for this type of abuse on the trending feed. 🤷🏽‍♂️ IJS

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@bashadow ·
$0.04
The only way to end that is to end vote bots. To end vote bots is to tell people they can not sell their vote. Ending vote bots also would end curation trails. They are so entwined now that unraveling them would be difficult. If you do not like it you could always go to the bot seller or the curation trail runner and ask that they not provide a service to blah blah blah person. They may or may not agree or see eye to eye with your opinion. After all the bots are about making money, the curation trails are about making money, steemit is about making money. We all have to look at ourselves and decide at what point we are taking advantage of others, like real society there will always be people that given the opportunity will seek out and use every loophole they can. We just need to live with it, and there is always the mute button if you ever grow to tired of seeing any particular individuals post.
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@charitybot ·
He dropped a million and hasn't sold his initial stake, so he's definitely buoyed the price for the rest of us.
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@whatsup · (edited)
$0.05
The guy doesn't use bots.  Second time on this thread you've given answers which prove you don't understand the problem you are trying to solve.

The account in the picture is being upvoted by a whale with large stake.  Has absolutely NOTHING to do with vote selling... lol
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@horpey ·
Mr Bernie and other Steem reputable folks can handle that kind of abuse.
> every user is allowed to use their stake however they want some will use it for selfish purposes

From a whale 🐋 and witness.
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@pjau ·
$0.25
Why should it be left to a handful of people.  Everybody should get involved, no matter size of account.
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@rest100 ·
Damn so much for free speech
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@smooth · (edited)
$0.25
Those are issues not of resource use but of voting consensus. If people don't like those contributions being rewarded they need to downvote them (and/or upvote other things)
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@kabir88 ·
$2.24
What if you downvote those things and end up with a -12 reputation?
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@nonameslefttouse · (edited)
$0.16
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@restandtravel ·
I just now can't upload any films - Can You solve it now  ? Films are uploading and nothing can be done....
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@rigmelendez3 ·
I hope that the platform will stabilize, and will give more and better opportunities to all of us steemians. Greetings.
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@riricoincoin ·
Nous avons réagi en travaillant avec les témoins afin de réduire considérablement le coût des opérations afin que la blockchain redevienne accessible aux petits intervenants.

Tu veux rire !!!
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@roleerob ·
Thanks for this informative update @steemitblog.

> *"While we are certainly not satisfied with __how__ the RC system rollout was executed …”*

Nor should you be!  For a “social network,” stating the obvious, the “network” better *remain* up and running a __*very*__ high % of the time, e.g. 99.999% sounds good.  

Without this __*mission-critical*__ attribute, I would suggest little else matters …  For whatever “social” is going on during the “unexpected” down-time, I can assure you, it is almost certainly not __*”adding value”*__ to the Steem blockchain.

To the contrary.  The investment of us __*all*__ takes a serious hit.  As you have no doubt figured out, to some an __*unacceptable*__ hit …  In either case, the cost to everyone is high …

I trust a __*very*__ robust discussion is already underway, in your “post mortem,” to ensure future hardforks go nothing like this.  Focusing on the __*”why”*__ and what “lessons learned” can be applied to prevent a future reoccurrence.

Anything short of that should be considered a major __*”dereliction of duty”*__ and we will __*all*__ suffer accordingly …

> *”… the vast majority of those with a technical understanding of the system agree that it is the best path forward for defending against both the short-term and long-term __risks__ …”*

OK, if the “average user” simply takes this on good faith, then hopefully time will prove out what you have written here.  That this is truly __*”the best path forward”*__ and the cost of this latest hardfork on our blockchain will have been worth it.  Time will tell …

Until “next time,” all the best to you, for a __*better*__ tomorrow!

Respectfully,

Steemian @roleerob
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@ronaldfung ·
well guys, besides i don't fully understand what happen, i have faith on you, `cuz you must know what you're doing, so! I really hope this change will be for the best!
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@ronel ·
I thought the reputation system is also changed because its very obvious that we could actually increase our reputation by buying upvotes from upvote bots.

Anyways, I guess for the next hardfork the reputation system will be changed, I hope.

For now, let's celebrate!!!

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@joeyarnoldvn ·
# Same REP system as before, maybe? 
The reputation system was going up before, as well. When you get upvotes, then you get more points which increases your REP through a math formula. Each level is harder than the previous level in the REP system. So, for example, it may take 1,000 points to go from 50 REP to 51 REP. Your REP and my REP are both at 51 right now. 

# Harder & Harder to Level Up 
So, say, going from 51 REP to 52 REP may take 2,000 points. And 52 to 53, maybe 4,000 points, for example. It keeps getting harder, bigger, tougher, to level up, and upvotes increases REP, indirectly. So, if you upvote your own posts, comments, then that boosts your REP. So, the more SP you have, the more voting power you have which raises your REP even more, even faster, it seems, when you self upvote.

# SP & RC
SP is Steem Power. So, SP helps with voting power, but Resource Credits (RC) is a price unit for doing things on Steem. But more SP gives you more RC and more SP can help you upvote yourself more to improve your REP. So, SP is at the center of RC and REP.
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@ronel ·
Yeah!
But if you have much money, you can buy upvotes from [upvote bots](https://steembottracker.com/) and increase your REP very quickly.
So, its like buying our REP. The meaning itself reputation is no longer that much of value because it can be bought.
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@rosenderevies ·
Me encantan los cambios de steemit.com
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@sayeds1956 ·
Great job done!!!!!!!
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@sergiomendes ·
Hurray. Just happy to see that the spirit and mood of the majority of the people is changing for a more constructive one. :) 

Posted using [Partiko Android](https://steemit.com/@partiko-android)
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@hiroyamagishi ·
Yes
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@shashiprabha ·
Thanks for sharing this information hard work.
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@shepz1 ·
Good post, follow for follow, hey you fucked up admit it, it took 5 attempts and oh so many patches, stop trying to spin it in a positive way eh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
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@shirleyhenderson ·
I am having an "Unknown Error" when I am uploading a video in DTUBE it is normal under the system upgrade? Thanks guys.
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@shokomint ·
I don't know other blockchain communities but I think you are doing better than other private companies which don't even tell customers true stories... Maybe you can do better. But that's another story. Thank you for not excluding us with low SP!
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@shortsegments ·
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Hi
I was pretty sure that the ability to edit our old posts was to be included in this Hard Fork. Do you know when it will be implememted?
Thanks
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@intrepidphotos · (edited)
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I think it’s just the ability to edit posts made after HF20  Indefinatly .  They can’t change the historical transactions as they are locked in the blockchain.
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@shortsegments ·
Hi
Thanks for the reply. That makes sense. 
I will correct/update my HF 20 Post accordingly.
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@lalai ·
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I agree, I am pretty sure I saw it also.
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@shortsegments ·
Thanks, I just learned that it may apply only to posts after the HF 20.
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I also recall seeing that and I was happy to be able to update old posts and republish them. I hope this feature will be released.

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@shortsegments ·
Thanks, I just learned that it may apply only to posts after the HF 20.
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@sircork ·
$31.98
*"We have already begun discussions with the witnesses about developing common standards, not just for testing code, but for holding Steem developers, such as us, accountable to their needs, and the needs of the community members they represent."*


**Well, this is news to *most witnesses* I'm sure.**

Aside from the overly agreeable, magically selected few invited into back room discussions, chosen seemingly in almost all but a few select cases, mostly by their inability to question the hand that feeds them, I'm pretty sure there are a couple hundred more witnesses keeping your business concerns alive despite the bumbling, often doing so for nearly free or even *paying* out of pocket to do so, because of our passion for the technical challenge, philosophical ideals and what are seen as many other potentials present here. 

These others seem to be ignored and overlooked, even as so MANY of us bring decades of wisdom, experience and skills at both an individual level compared to some of the elite, insider witnesses and at a collective level as a group so vastly outweighing those of the predominantly young and vastly inexperienced chosen few, that it borders on inexplicable.

I know of many, who have more experience in the tech industry and in architecting systems, implementing infrastructures, building businesses and most importantly, meeting and appeasing users needs above all else, than most of the leadership of this platform even have being *alive* in the first place...

But are they at this table? Do they know about these *in progress discussions*?

Heh. No. Information is given later, then used against them because they were not precognitive to your infinite wisdom, deemed unworthy of participation by the magic anonymous votes that loft people to the top here. Votes so large they can only be owned by persons involved pre-zero day in 2015/16...

But let's just sweep all that under the rug, shall we? And make no mention of it in this blog, because there is a centralized government operating in secrecy, ensuring that no plans of the great leader go properly vetted or or challenged at any turn.

SMTs must be delivered or steemit incs team becomes unemployed. It behooves steemit inc to in turn control both gates and gatekeepers, lest they be delayed, or even prevented from making mistakes like the ones occurring here perennially over the past 24 months.

You know what other platform works just like this?

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@charlie777pt · (edited)
$0.04
This is just way off the post subject but I will leave here a comment that should be taken as a joke.
We have to consider the 3 kinds of democracy, police democracy (i.e. Singapore, South Korea), military democracy (i.e. Indonesia and North Korea) and terrorist-imperialist democracy ( i.e. US, Russia, Europe and China).
That's the actual freedom of choice
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@biffybirdcam ·
$0.06
I scream at the sky near every day at this fact. Is that odd?! lol
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@sircork ·
$0.10
You aren't wrong, and it's not as funny as you and I both wish it was. ;)
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@dunstuff ·
$0.06
wow. usually i struggle with large walls of text, and lose focus, but this... this just read so well, i couldnt look away XD
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@enginewitty ·
$0.07
Rewarding the witnesses more fairly would be great!
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@novacadian ·
There was an idea of mine posted a while ago that could reap non-top 20 witnesses some transmission fees. A link to it is included below for your reading pleasure.

https://steemit.com/steem/@novacadian/a-decentralized-capcha-annonymous-proof-of-brain-verification
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@fityan ·
THANK YOU, YES STEEMIT activity on the blockchain has stabilized
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@igster ·
Steem has still long way to go, this HF20 was proof of that. We should not be afraid to bring issues to light as serious investors will do their research and find them anyway. One hot topic clearly is how the core of Steem works. 

The discussion between witnesses and Steemit Inc should be as open as possible, how else we could call Steem decentralized with a straight face with dignity. Can't we have a discord channel, for example in Steemdevs, where witnesses + Steemit inc only can send messages but everyone could read them? And use that as a main communication channel so no one can complain? @ned 

I'm sure we can do better, else sircork wouldn't be complaining in this manner.
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@sircork ·
Trust but verify, steemdevs is owned by one of the most corrupted and unliked witnesses in the list. not an "open harbor" at all. It may be a good place for a dev hangout, but it's not a good place for "politics" to occur.

*how else we could call Steem decentralized with a straight face with dignity*

Currently we cannot. A little conscientious digging and research quickly illuminates how all roads lead to Rome...

If I elaborated, even with documentation, I'd be summarily dismissed and marginalized even as is already underway. The only consolation is that despite high-profile detractors deflecting, defending and throwing shade, the truth of our centralization and the short list of names and "companies" behind it is spreading at a grassroots level. 

The question remains, that in the days of bread and circuses, will the population turn off the game long enough to watch, spread or care about the news.

Who is behind the curtains in Oz? Thinking people have already done the research, connected the dots and know.

But what can be done? THAT ... remains to be seen ;)
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@kennyroy ·
Nothing more to say! You said a lot! LOL
I agree in what you said and that's it! (^_^)
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@lanmower ·
@sircork and the "great steemit conspiracy"

I had such a chuckle, but then, when I read this shit I always do.
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@sircork ·
You've been drawn to this sort of thing since we met last winter. :) You seem to enjoy a show. Everyone does. And this is certainly a circus, Lan, most assuredly it is. The question though, is who are the suckers Mr. Barnum was referring too? Oh yes, it was the audience, not the entertainers...
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@lukestokes ·
$1.57
Based on your previous narratives, I thought most of the steemit witness problems were because the witness page only showed the top 50? Well, now it shows the top 100. Did that really matter?

To build a successful project or business, it takes a team. That means people who work together seriously and build trust instead of attacking one another. You may think this is a circus or a game, but many treat it seriously and professionally. You had an opportunity to represent yourself here as someone who wants to be part of a team and work together, but instead it's more accusations and hyperbole. How has that worked out for you so far? People who know you, support you, and love being part of the communities you build have urged you to try a different approach than being the "the Alex Jones witness" or building a following "largely built on anti-establishment people" (quoting a conversation we had 4 months ago which you said I could share publicly). I chose not to share that conversation because I'm hopeful you'll try a different approach than what was represented there. The last conversation we had on discord was agreeable, but you're here on chain again acting differently. There are better ways to get attention and be seen and heard. My suggestion: start with a post outlining your criteria as a witness for testing and rolling out hardforks. <a href="https://steemit.com/witness-category/@lukestokes.mhth/to-fork-or-not-to-fork-is-that-even-a-question">I started exploring my criteria</a> as HF20 was going live. Put your thoughts out there and use your experience and expertise to build something useful that helps us all.

Or keep doing what you're doing if that's your thing. Just don't expect a different result than you've had so far.
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@sircork ·
Your opinion is valid. Your remarks are accurate portrayals of events. Thanks for your input Luke. Hope EOS isn't keeping you too busy. ;) I hear they got problems now with China that might should have your attention at the moment, eh?

Funny though, how such important top 20 witnesses and steemit inc execs are so keenly interested in a mid60s-70s witness. Yet you all turn to personal business. Not responses to the presented things. Wonder why that is? Why is little old me so important to you and some of your peers. Really seems a bit odd? We can let the observers, the users, the platform stakeholders who aren't in the elite circle judge for themselves.

Have a fabulous day! :D
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@reggaemuffin ·
$0.87
> Well, this is news to most witnesses I'm sure.

https://steemit.com/witness-update/@reggaemuffin/witness-statement-for-reggaemuffin-proposing-hardfork-adoption-requirements

https://steemit.com/steem/@pharesim/hf-20-lessons-finally-learned

https://steemit.com/witness-update/@followbtcnews/with-hf20-now-live-it-s-time-for-a-look-at-the-process-a-statement-from-one-of-the-consensus-witnesses

There was a lot of discussion, @ned even linked to a few posts on the last steemitblog update and many witnesses resteemed these posts. There were two MSP radio shows one from utopian, one from @aggroed. And this discussion was basically everywhere.

But I guess in all the negativity, no one is looking for actual solutions ;)
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@sircork · (edited)
$0.08
3 unofficial posts after-the-fact from witnesses, two top 20, sure, and yourself, absent for how many months? Red herrings in context here.

Thanks for your input Reggae, but Aggroed only hosts a few nice safe top 20s in the first comment, on his shows on a streaming platform I built for him with my own blood, sweat and finances till I resigned it over his charades, and those are by invite only. noted as directly beholden to convey only the messages allowed by their masters. Shadowspub hosts well over a dozen to as many as 25+ on her completely OPEN witness forums and the top 20 rarely show their faces. The rest are left to speculate. Those shows too grew from a streaming station I built and she evolved from when I shut it down.

Ask the other 200+ witnesses how much information they have received and when, and what input they were asked for, and again, when. After the fact?

Be it known one or two top witnesses were observed trying to spread information in time, but even they have publically acquiesced communication was dismal.

Cui bono in your case? Are you here to produce the voices of the hundreds of witnesses kept at arm's length to prove me wrong? Or to gain favor as you return to the platform after a prolonged absence?
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@richq11 · (edited)
Thank you... I don't have to comment now, I couldn't said it any more eloquently!!! By the way, I DO know what other platform works just like this!
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@roundbeargames · (edited)
$0.84
i live a few hour drive away from kim jung un. i can understand your concern because when one single entity starts restricting any kind of human behavior, the endgame is dprk. 

a leader might have good intentions, smart, even benevolent, but none of that matters if you're not willing to step back and allow freedom to go wherever the fuck it goes. in most cases leaders don't like the results they see when they let a community figure something out. they resort to control and one rule after another, you long for total control. 

> "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
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@ayijufridar ·
***"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"***. I love this quote @roundbeargames.  Does  mean that the changes in HF-20 ultimately lead us to hell? I want to go to heaven, you too, I'm sure.
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@fr3eze ·
Damn, are you actually from the North Korea?
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@sircork ·
I've been watching your response on this page, and this comment is probably the most moving and directly experiential remark I've ever read on the internet, given your locale and cited life experience. Thank you for your thoughtful consideration and reply.
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@sugarfix ·
$0.09
I sympathize with you position. It is the age old problem of discovery "I got there first so me and my friends are going to benefit from this. If you want something it will be be my rules". Under any political system oligarchies will form and I think that it is close to impossible to stop this. However things need to be put in place to slow the process up.
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@shepz1 ·
$0.03
LOL welcome to the internet, reenacting real life, and to think I was sold this whole shit show as something different hey!!!!!!!!11
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@sircork ·
The internet is a connected set of humans, each one believed by each one to be better than the last...
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@xyzashu ·
$0.07
As long as top 20 Witnesses are *invited* or *participate* in such a back room discussion, I'm okay with it. But shouldn't these discussions be in public domain? 

I live in a democratic country and all the activities, debates and discussions happening in the Parliament is broadcast live to the general public. We ought to know what role our delegates are playing there.
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@dimarss ·
$0.20
I agree,  want to know the position of our "chain-leaders"
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@jassennessaj ·
We should know and publicly aware I guess. That will be perfect place for us to understand more about the blockchain.
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@sircork · (edited)
Their most common excuse for a secret not-secret room is "security issues" or "too much noise from so many witnesses" - on an **open source** piece of code, they then will claim should be read and tested by **all witnesses**

The hypocrisy is strong.
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@socky ·
$2.69
I'm glad the growing pains don't hurt so much anymore.

I will gauge success of this hard fork not by how badly it was implemented, but how Steemit Inc handles the corrective actions to prevent it from happening again. Please don't limit yourself to a discussion on how to improve, but actually put processes in place to guarantee that this mistake don't get repeated. 

## Speaking of:
> discussion about how we can ensure that this is a system that works for everyone.

We need a discussion about frozen wallets on exchanges.

It took 2 weeks for the first major exchange to unfreeze STEEM wallets. There are still many more exchanges with frozen wallets. If STEEM cannot function as a currency, the currency becomes worthless and there will be no incentive to use the STEEM apps.  

What is Steemit Inc doing about this? 
# Are you willing to engage in a discussion about the exchange's STEEM wallet problem?
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@enforcer48 · (edited)
$0.16
So far, I see @bittrex getting STINC delegations to keep transferring. Binance's @deepcrypto8 still hasn't gotten any love yet, but I guess the @binance-hot one is the one that transfers to Steemians.

Also, @poloniex; not sure about other exchanges.
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@reggaemuffin ·
$0.06
As many said already many times, Steemit Inc is in discussion with the major players and helping them get the wallets up and running. 

The problem with wallets is a problem the exchanges have, not Steemit Inc. Blocktrades is up and running pretty quickly.
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@socky ·
It is our currency that supports our social media platform. It is certainly NOT the problem of the exchanges. It is our problem. If STEEM dies, it would not affect those exchanges whatsoever. 

You have also said that you didn't know who the liaisons are. Without any facts to back that statement up, then it is only hearsay.
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@silvertop ·
$0.05
Amen @ socky.........I have waited for exchanges to un-freeze wallets to begin a steem deposit.  I am sure I am one of many in this same situation!  How do I tell my friends about steemit/steem and in the same breath them oh you can't buy or sell any.   The first question I get from a non Crypto person is " can I sell this for USD "............ do I tell them well, not now?
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@experiment ·
@silvertop It's interesting to note that Coinbase users now see a "View More Assets" link beyond the five cryptos they now carry. Steem is one of them (of 50). I take this to mean that they are educating their current users about other cryptos available, and might be offering Steem and many many others for USD in the coming months. 
https://www.coinbase.com/price/steem
See also their recent blog entry, saying they are intending to add as many cryptos as legally possible https://blog.coinbase.com/new-asset-listing-process-a83ef296a0f3
So, I'd tell your people they'd be smart to buy some just before it becomes available "for USD" as the price will likely be much higher once it's that easy to buy an sell and Coinbase.
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@socky · (edited)
It has been 15 days. Only Bittrex and Upbit wallets are functional. I will give the status tomorrow. 
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* Binance
* HitBTC
* Huobi
* Bithumb
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@socky ·
Now 16 days...
Exchanges with frozen STEEM wallets
* Poloniex
* Binance
* HitBTC
* Huobi
* Bithumb
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@socky ·
Now 17 days. There is no response from Steemit Inc. 
Exchanges with frozen STEEM wallets
* Poloniex
* Binance
* HitBTC
* Huobi
* Bithumb
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@socky ·
Now 18 days. Does anyone see how ridiculous this is?
Exchanges with frozen STEEM wallets
* Poloniex
* Binance
* HitBTC
* Huobi
* Bithumb
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@socky ·
Now 19 days. No response from Steemit Inc. 
Exchanges with frozen STEEM wallets
* Poloniex
* Binance
* HitBTC
* Huobi
* Bithumb
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@socky ·
Now 20 days. Where is Steemit Inc?
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* Poloniex
* Binance
* HitBTC
* Huobi
* Bithumb
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@socky ·
Now 21 days. 
Exchanges with frozen STEEM wallets
* Poloniex
* Binance
* HitBTC
* Huobi
* Bithumb
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@socky ·
Now 23 days. If you won't work with the exchanges, let one of us do it. 
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* Poloniex
* Binance
* HitBTC
* Huobi
* Bithumb
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@steeimran · (edited)
We are very happy to return things to their nature

KEEP CALM AND STEEMit
![received_10213772256004460.gif](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmb5P6QcFrrDnxp8HRqmcbaKP74zGXmZEZRiQHD4d9oq8w/received_10213772256004460.gif)
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@steemdizhu ·
hf20更新后刚刚加入的小虾米点赞都有收入不得不说这次的新十分成功可以叫更多的新人加入
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@steemitqa ·
Good work!
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@steemminder ·
$0.09
Thanks so much, it's working good. but i have a question : why with 64 SP I have 0 power voting? COULD YOU .. PLEASE HAVE A LOOK IN MY ACCOUNT. MERCI @steemminder
👍  ,
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@andrarchy ·
You have plenty of voting power, enough to vote over 100 times: ![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmVg1QAKAKcQWQqR1mNCQTgUQuCkzbsqiebVEZgF8U2J3o/image.png)
👍  
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vote details (1)
@daily.readings ·
But 100 upvotes of zero value
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@exyle ·
$0.47
I think what he means is why his vote is worth 0 cents. To answer that: I think you need around 100SP to give away a cent. Keep working and you get there! Btw that's not bad. I remember in 2016 just after Steem Fest 1 I had 9000SP and it was the first time I could give away a cent. I was so happy that day (it was different times though).
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@horpey ·
With the present value of Steem your vote (60SP at 100%MP) is worth 0$. you check MP value here https://steemnow.com/upvotecalc.html

![image](https://img.esteem.ws/8zd22vnaum.jpg)
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@steemminder ·
thanks! but how many SP i have to get to have voting power right now?
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@therealwolf ·
It's worth more than 0$, but it's rounded down for 0.00$
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@stephenkendal ·
$0.21
Congratulations to everyone involved in implementing Hardfork 20. Excellent job. Stephen
👍  
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vote details (1)
@sweetjoy ·
I think we need a witness channel.
Call it Steem News with your
favorite anchor @sweetjoy
No surprises and if they don't check for updates...oh well.
I'd love to help.
Think it over k?
Joy
👍  
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vote details (1)
@freebornangel ·
Got one.
https://discord.gg/vPQkYu
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@sircork ·
Got several, but they are ignored in favor of the secret not-so-secret one, that is invite only and mostly filled with people who will not bite the hand that feeds them.
👎  ,
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@taskmaster4450 ·
$35.64
This is a most excellent post by the Steemit team.  Focus upon the blockchain while working with the witnesses....that is an ideal situation in my opinion.

I commend everyone for opening up the discussion about how to best strike a balance between giving low SP accounts usage while deterring spammers.  It is a very difficult task to pull off and it will take all of us collectively trying to determine what is best.

It was a tough week but there is no reason for anyone to be discouraged.  This is something all blockchains are going to have to approach.  The bottom line is networks cost money to run and this is no different.  Therefore, how are those costs covered without directly charging?

People who leave STEEM believing there are other "free" networks out there are in for a rude awakening.  There is no such thing as a free network.  

Just ask all those who get to use Facebook for "free".
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vote details (47)
@bitmycoin ·
This is a most excellent post by the Steemit team.  At the same time you fuck the money by just post a single comment .
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@douglasjames ·
I designed a system that handles this issue perfectly. We will be launching on the Steem blockchain next year. Take a look and tell me what you think :)

https://medium.com/currentxchange/cryptovoting-with-purple-how-it-works-3d6db1df14b6
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@taskmaster4450 ·
Looks like an interesting project and in alignment with the Age of Abundance which is centered out of love/energy/vibration/conscious.  

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@ericwilson ·
The first thing that comes to mind to me is a "sponsorship" where the  gets some sort of kickback for sponsoring hidden talent.
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@joeyarnoldvn ·
I'm for sponsorship programs, both online and offline, more over through vocational training as opposed to mere community college. On Steem for example, yeah, we could vet some if we want, sponsor them, support them, reward disciples, fans, contest participants, etc.
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@joeyarnoldvn ·
$0.08
# Shades? 
There may be 50 shades of grey between free speech and spam, allegedly. It depends on how you define spam. I'm happy with Steemit as it's better than Facebook. 

# Competition 
Steem is doing better in some ways than Gab, Minds, Bitchute, Real Video, Dlive, and other online communities. I'm totally for decentralized, cryptocurrency, blockchain networks, like Steem. I'm for privacy over safety. I'm for personal ownership, and for free markets. 

# Subjectivity 
The tough part might be in defining spam as it may mean what you may not want, like, desire, prefer. However, what I want may not be what you want. So, defining spam and hate speech, subjectively, can be cultural, social, and therefore not objective, which is a path down the wrong road.
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@lanmower ·
So relevant and so right, thanks for saying what needs to be said.
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@kennyroy · (edited)
I agree with you @taskmaster4450 and I have nothing to say! But what about a Referral System based on Smart Contracts.
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@lanmower ·
$0.46
I agree wholeheartedly, and thank you for providing a fresh, organic, COMMUNITY UPVOTED comment, not like the ones above yours.

I agree with you, unlike the nay sayers who have no clue about software development. (never mind some of their claimed 20-years-techincal-expertise who claim you can see a 8mbps twitch stream on a 56k modem, true story) The developers involved (NOT JUST STINC, EVERYONE) has done an admirable job this week, things are never expected to go wrong, and when they do, that is the measure of the workmanship, how you handle crisis.

Why pay to get your comment moved to the top in a an announcement thread? showboating.

If what you have to say isn't valuable, then you have to spend (some times charity money) on it to get it noticed, so that you feel like you're 'contributing'.

At this point I would like to call out the posers.

If your "contributions" isn't on github in the form of PR's you're not really contributing.

Throwing stones at those who do is frankly ignorant behavior.
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@nigelmarkdias ·
$0.20
> The developers involved (NOT JUST STINC, EVERYONE) has done an admirable job this week, things are never expected to go wrong, and when they do, that is the measure of the workmanship, how you handle crisis.
@lanmover

The technical chops  of the development team is unequalled, @lanmover
* Does the market agree with HF20?
* Will this ramp up DAU?
    At  what cost?
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@sircork · (edited)
$0.41
Define "showboating" - and also, produce proof of your allegations...

I define showboating as basically being a hypocrite... 

Observe your counterargument to yourself:

https://steemit.com/steem-promo/@lanmower/two-in-the-pink-one-in-the-stinc

Compared to the grandstanding above, it smells a lot like "throwing stones" and "ignorant behavior" to me... 

Never seen you in github by this name. Funny, I'm on a few threads over there in the PRs and Issues areas. Even got one of the initiatives it took a year of campaigning for passed and into condenser, so you could more easily participate in a more democratic form of governance here than was previously possible. It took a year of broadcasting on the topic, and finally proof of my allegations by another witness who documented his pass through the barriers previously set, and then the calling on of a half dozen more to force the gatekeepers to acquiesce but the win was ours that day.

What did you do again? Oh yeah,  apparently not very much of interest to anyone, for a year's worth of time "served"

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmbdfpLUe5BdngRFf7wpXpKK1LZ121CpyfcHcnNoShs6tT/image.png)
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@masterthematrix ·
What about an Referral System based on Smart Contracts. Lets say Peer-to-Peer account creation would implement a 5 -10% lifetime Author Reward System. Therefore the new User would get 25 - 50SP with its new Account.
Also possible would be a lending System where the new user has to pay back a certain Amount of Steem to its creator.

Posted using [Partiko Android](https://steemit.com/@partiko-android)
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@acidyo ·
$0.02
>Lets say Peer-to-Peer account creation would implement a 5 -10% lifetime Author Reward System.

This does not sound like something new users would appreciate, ever.
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@taskmaster4450 ·
I heard there might be some type of RC pool that would allow the leasing of RC...I am not sure about that though.

The referral system sounds like a great idea.  It might be good to elaborate on it some more...there is a way to write smart contracts on this blockchain now.  I am not sure how it would tie into SP though.
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@nigelmarkdias ·
$0.21
> The bottom line is networks cost money to run and this is no different. 
@taskmaster

          There's no bottomline 
                   without a topline.
          That topline stems  
                   from DAU.

### _The bottomline_
1. Is Steemit delivering what it says on the tin?
2. Has Steemit's  deliverables been communicated?
3. a. Does a freshly minted Steemian understand this?
3. b. Who specifically within Steemit corporate owns this?
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@nitego ·
I am glad to see the platform useable again. I however can not say I know exactly what the new features have come with the HF20. I would be glad to see a quick easy to understand summary of the changes maybe short bullet point. Thanks
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@rafroldan ·
pasate por weku y me cuentas luego
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@redpossum ·
$0.02
I am a n00b here at Steemit, and very glad just to be a part of it. I don't pretend to understand the larger issues, so I'd be a fool to take sides, but I do understand very well when you say "there is no such thing as a free network". 

This same issue applies to the F2P model in online games - if you are not paying a subscription, then *you* are the product which the game company is selling.

Much respect to *all* my fellow Steemians.
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@teukukhairi ·
Thaks you very much for this information..
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@tex73110 ·
Genial, gracias por el arduo trabajo, por poner a vista de todos los posibles cambios y mejoras en la plataforma, sin interesados y personas con su visión el mundo de las criptomonedas no seria el mismo.
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@the01crow ·
I will take the opportunity to ask some developers the following:

You can create some application that is an RC calculator, how many actions can be done if they had an amount X of Sp ?.

Can they do some system that allows to determine which users should not be in a trail, due to the little RC they have so they do not have a bad experience?

I hope someone develops something like that, it really takes that.
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@yuriks2000 ·
Right now you can have  look at Steemd.com, it does a great job at it, developed by @jesta. 
Like on Steemit, just type your username with @ sign at the end like in the example below. 
https://steemd.com/@the01crow

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@yuriks2000 ·
By the way, here is another too I found, works great. Check it out here: https://steem.supply/@the01crow
Made by @dragosroua
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@the01crow ·
I was referring to something like a calculator, where I can place any amount of sp, which can tell me how many comments, post, actions can be made depending on any number of sp.Similar th calculate the value of the vote.
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@yasayanoluler ·
$0.02
I think updating the ..
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@theguruasia ·
$0.46
@steemitblog,
There is a issue of undelegation might kill the voting power back to 0%. I hope your team might concern about that issue as well! Thank you for this update!

Cheers~
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@travoved ·
Yuhh finnaly now all stable and we can publish post without problems! I hope in next HF there won't be such problems as it was at this time!
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@trayan ·
cheers!
me likey! ;)
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@trincowski ·
That was a bumpy ride. Glad we're back to smoother roads! 😂
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@tts ·
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Brought to you by [@tts](https://steemit.com/tts/@tts/introduction). If you find it useful please consider upvoting this reply.
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@tygertyger ·
Two things how about punishing spam meaning  so and so many flags equals a restriction in rc , the another if they continue ect ...

Second many of the top witnesses are only there because the voting system is rigged ! Give all steemians equal voting power when it comes to  witnesses!
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@ukuleletutorials ·
Okay, so we're having a community of thousands of gamers join Steemit to support our (@moneymatchgaming) Esports events and Team. The biggest problem has not been gaining support but simply getting people on Steemit in a reasonable amount of time before they lose interest. 

With this hardfork I know it's supposed to be easier to make accounts, but  I haven't seen anything detailing how to do so. Can anyone illuminate me on the topic?
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@vidyen ·
Question. How much does it take cost wise to make a new account now ?
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@andrarchy · (edited)
3 STEEM which are burned (instead of transferred to the new account). This is a different question than how much it will need to transact. Just as before there is a a cost to account creation, but additional SP has to be delegated to the new account in order for it to transact to a meaningful degree. This is assuming that an Account Creation token isn't used, in which case the cost would be free. But purchasing Account Creation tokens will require far too many Resource Credits for this to be an option for individual users.
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@lextenebris ·
$0.06
Here's the real question that needs to be answered:

*How much will it cost in order to create an account which can make three posts a day and 15 comments?*

I would be willing to negotiate on whether that is a "reasonable" amount to expect a new user to engage on a social network with, but it's the beginning of a discussion.

The problem is that nobody can answer that question. Not that nobody will answer that question, but that nobody can. Not even Steem Inc. can answer that question, because they clearly had no idea of what "intended use" was when they started setting up the RC system, haven't been able to communicate what their targets are, and the witnesses don't seem to be terribly interested in telling us what they think the standard use case should be/is. And that's a problem.

At this point, with the current tuning of the system, we might could generate some sort of approximation – but that information might be invalid tomorrow. @holger80 has been doing some incredibly good work with charting RC costs for various operations on the blockchain and I've been following it fairly closely, but I still don't think I can answer the question above.

What we need is some sort of stability introduced to the marketplace based on a clear idea of what the demand is, what the historical demand has been, and what the witnesses and Steemit Inc. want the delivery to be. That we just don't have.

Obviously it will cost more than 3 STEEM to create and power up an account to a level that enables basic interaction on the steem blockchain sufficient to engage enough in order to continue making enough operational income to get ahead at all. Until that number is well-defined, you would have to be a terrible fool to be onboarded users for your digital app only to not have them have enough RC to do anything with that application going forward, and as a developer you can't know how much you're going to have to invest in every single user that's on board.

That is not a situation where a savvy developer wants to get caught out.
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@smooth · (edited)
$0.03
Depends what you mean by transact. An empty account can make about 23 transfers in 5 days so if the purpose of the account is to save or spend STEEM/SP/SBD (with a modest pace of activity), that may easily be enough. For using any of the social apps it probably isn't enough, although even that is enough to lurk, make the very occasional comment, and/or place a few (2-3) votes per day (which would express opinion but not count toward rewards since the account has 0 SP).
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@viking-ventures ·
Hey - I keep clicking on the x on this post (the blue header) and yet it keeps coming back on each new Steemit page I look at. I've even visited this page two or three times now, yet it keeps coming back. How do I get rid of it?

On a side note, things are looking good for me, though I understand that some brand new accounts still find it difficult to get involved.
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@vikisecrets ·
It was an exciting week to witness my first hardfork on the Steem blockchain. Hoping though we have learned a lesson and I think Steem urgently needs a (better) testnet with real-word data and activity to prevent such serious bugs that happend last week.
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@viraldrome ·
Not having Steemit was like quitting smoking and heroin on the same day. I wandered around feeling like I was in requiem for a dream
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@vishalhkothari ·
Love the way steemit is going and the team is working really hard to bind everything in the right perspective. Congrats teamsteem.
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@wedacoalition ·
Don't be so hard on yourselves! You basically took the engine out of a truck as it was going down the highway at full speed and replaced it with a new scalable upgraded engine all while not crashing the truck. Standing ovation..(applause)
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@wehyckerh ·
!muchas gracias por las actualizaciones, siempre están pensando como evolucionar en ascenso! el trabajo duro siempre dejara buenos frutos. gracias por hacer de este un lugar mejor!
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@whatamidoing · (edited)
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Now we need to focus on keeping the users that we have.

In order to achieve that, I suggest a larger portion of delegation goes toward curation of undervalued material.  Curie and OCD have been two of the best ways of keeping users around but we need way more of that, and not only for new users but for ALL undervalued content.  I've always had this idea that steem could have a "Council of Minnow Curators" , maybe 5-7 minnows who are chosen by the community for their excellent curation and engagement despite having relatively low SP, and then Steemitinc. could delegate to them directly or to some body who oversee the project who then delegate to the individual curators in order to increase the rewards that they can provide to posts that they curate.  Each of them could make a weekly write-up which is upvoted by the managing body, and eventually each curator could turn their work into its own curation initiative if it could build some support from the user base to maintain it once it's delegation had ended.  These users could rotate every month.   You'd just need a few established users to lead the project by watching over them and making sure they don't abuse their power so steemit.inc can be hands off. 

Enough of steemits SP has been delegated to Apps and I get it, but more of it needs to reach content creators NOT randomly because they chose to use an app which received a lot of delegation, otherwise you won't be able to keep the community together and the turnover rate will continue to be abysmal.

I have not pushed for this kind of initiative because I want to focus my energy on my own content, so I would not be able to put all my time into it but if anyone is interested in building up this concept and we could manage such delegation, I would be open to discussing how to implement it.

It would essentially be something very similar to @tribesteemup which has been such a blessing to all of it's members, except that the curators, beneficiaries and managers would be rotating and most importantly the delegation would have to come directly from steemit inc. in order to send the message "We value content creators".
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@tcpolymath ·
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This would definitely be a good time for Steemit Inc. to show that they care about engagement and retention by delegating to some curation initiatives. I would suggest the @c-squared metacuration project particularly, as a way to spread value through multiple curation initiatives which could then distribute them to users.
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@wilkeny ·
Que acaso esa no es la idea, el propósito de vida, el sueño de todo inventor, hacer que las cosas sean mas fáciles para todos. Un mundo mas unido, mas igualitario, alimentos para todos, que ya nadie sufra de enfermedades sin cura, que nadie sea mejor que nadie y que nadie sea menos que nadie. 

That perhaps is not the idea, the purpose of life, the dream of every inventor, to make things easier for everyone. A more united, more egalitarian world, food for all, that nobody suffers from diseases without a cure, that nobody is better than anyone and that no one is less than anyone.
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@yasayanoluler ·
$0.02
I like it
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@yasu24 ·
Thank you for supporting steemit community.

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@ydavgonzalez · (edited)
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Greetings @steemitblog, there is still an error to correct in the Steemit code, Steem Power delegations canceled before the HF and whose return date corresponds to a day after the HF20 are not returned to their owners, in my case I have 3 delegations of Steem Power that have not returned to me despite having been canceled more than 7 days ago. For example:

https://steemd.com/b/26219028#706497a88036dc3a082a99f48fbf26f964661a69

it has not returned to me despite having been canceled 9 days ago.

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Saludos @steemitblog, aún queda un error por corregir en el código de Steemit, las delegaciones de Steem Power canceladas antes del HF y cuya fecha de retorno corresponde a un día posterior al HF20 no están retornado a sus poseedores, en mi caso tengo 3 delegaciones de Steem Power que no han retornado a mi a pesar de haber sido canceladas hace más de 7 días.Por ejemplo:

https://steemd.com/b/26219028#706497a88036dc3a082a99f48fbf26f964661a69

Aún no ha retornado a mi a pesar de haber sido cancelada hace 9 días.
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@yogajill ·
Gratitude & Love Steem Fam for all your hard work and for creating a new wave for our future!!
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@yonny ·
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I was never worried at any point that these bugs would be fixed quickly. Ppl stop over reacting! This is real life, shit happens.
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@yasayanoluler ·
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Yes.
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