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Ethereum isn't safe or scalable. It is immature experimental tech. – Vlad Zamfir by teamsteem

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Ethereum isn't safe or scalable. It is immature experimental tech. – Vlad Zamfir
Vlad is the lead developer for Casper which is the proof-of-stake protocol meant to solve Ethereum's scalability issue. 

[<img src="https://i.imgur.com/kaKGJeQ.png">](https://twitter.com/VladZamfir/status/838006311598030848)

He further explained himself in a subsequent blog post he made yesterday. [Full post here](https://medium.com/@Vlad_Zamfir/about-my-tweet-from-yesterday-dcc61915b572#.xzj7sc62t).

> *"I didn’t make that tweet because Ethereum isn’t safe or scalable, really, I did it because I find the current level of euphoria quite offensive. Maybe it isn’t my place to keep euphoria in check. Maybe it is. I don’t know. But I will probably continue to express myself by turning my feelings into radical, unnuanced tweets nonetheless."*

> *"Finally…"*

> *"Is Ethereum safe? I don’t think so. I absolutely cannot guarantee that the network won’t be 51% attacked (though I would like to believe that a hard fork would minimize damage from such an attack). I cannot usually guarantee that a smart contract will behave as expected (I don’t need to mention that I sometimes like hard forks here, too, do I?). But lots of really smart people in the community are working hard towards making Ethereum safe, with smart contract formal verification efforts and with proof-of-stake consensus protocol research. I think that we will continue to make steady and impressive progress on these safety problems."*

Though I wish the Ethereum team the best of luck I would have been somewhat displeased by such a tweet and blog if I owned some Ethereum. 

This isn’t the first time the Ethereum team's public relation felt sketchy to some.   

https://i.imgur.com/ULIBeKi.jpg

Dan Larimer asking Vitalik tough questions about Ethereum scalability issue.(2014) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP82XmUNgNM

Steem current super abilities of more than [10,000 transactions per seconds](https://steemit.com/steem/@steempower/how-agile-is-your-chain-top-digital-currencies-transaction-per-second-comparison) (theorically 180,000+) are pretty cool compare to 25 transactions per seconds for Ethereum without mentioning Dan's new development which might push Steem transactions limits to [100 million per seconds](https://steemit.com/blockchain/@dantheman/how-to-process-100m-transfers-second-on-a-single-blockchain). 

If you ask me, I much prefer the Steem Team for obvious reasons!

Nonetheless I would love to take this opportunity to send a sincere invitation the Ethereum core dev team to join Steem and transfer their blog here on Steemit. 

After all, @rogerkver's  [post](https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@rogerkver/we-can-now-use-visa-to-pay-bitcoin-network-transaction-fees) about Bitcoin scalability issues  2 days ago reached the top of the list and pocketed him close to 200$.
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@acidyo ·
Great post!
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@teamsteem ·
Thank you!
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@anrikevisser ·
Thanks for the insight information here. I've been wondering how scalable and sustainable Ethereum is.
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@barrydutton ·
I watched this topic late last nite on @crypt0's channel, and had to head to bed or I would have blogged on this myself LOL.  

ETH and ETC continue the climb north on pricing..... let's hope the tech. and solutions here get worked out.   I like the ETH chains for a few reasons but I know I am still a noob compared to a lot of people here.  

### Good post my man!!
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@teamsteem ·
Yeah it's a topic that could hardly be skipped for anyone who knew about it. 

Ethereum's price are far from their all-time high. I mostly see these as fluctuation rather than real valuation increase.
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@barrydutton ·
I wrote about that today, in a couple spots online here....

As in the price is finding it's way?  Not a correction.

More or less, right?
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@hedge-x ·
ETH ATH was $21.50 in June 2016, currently it trades at $19.50 just under the ATH.  I just wanted to correct you there.
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@bhikkhu ·
thanks for this post, it helped me to better understand the problems and limits of ethereum.   Where do you really see ethereum in the next 2 or 3 years?
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@teamsteem · (edited)
Thank you for your interest. I going to put this as simple as possible but I won't cut corners. The wealth distribution is one of the most important factor for all crypto. If all Bitcoin were own by one person Bitcoin would worth 0$. Bitcoin has the best distribution. All other crypto owners are early Bitcoin miners and investors. Those who were first to mine Bitcoin were the first to mine Litecoin and all other altcoins. They are the one owning the most altcoins. Because the wealth of those altcoins is more concentrated than Bitcoin people will try to diversify their altcoin investment into Bitcoin if they have the chance. 

To get a better understanding, take a look at (https://bitinfocharts.com/) the columns wealth distribution and addresses richer than. Compare Bitcoin to Litecoin, Dash, Dogecoin and Peercoin. The price going up or down doesn't change those %. 

When coins move toward the top of the pyramid or concentrate the coin ultimately lose some value. I.e. if someone owns all Ethereum then the value of Ethereum is 0$. Ethereum seems pretty widely concentrated. https://etherscan.io/accounts Worst than Dogecoin, Litecoin or Dash.  isdue to the initial distribution made through its ICO. That being said the technology behind Ethereum is great. It might not solve humanity's most pressing problems but it might do very good for the cryptocurrency world. 

Monero's distribution can't be known yet it must be pretty concentrated too but I have no idea how it compares to other crypto.  

All that being said, since January 2016, Ethereum, Dash and Monero all had crazy price performance even compare to Bitcoin itself. They have beaten Bitcoin by many magnitudes. 

Steem and Steem distribution is another matter onto itself. 

Here's one other really useful website when taking decision about investing into altcoins. https://cryptolization.com/
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@bhikkhu ·
great answer thanks.
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@busser ·
All EF members remind from time to time that Ethereum is experimental technology until Casper/sharding will be implemented and tested. Vlad does it in the most provocative way, but what would you expect from guy, who describes himself as "absurdist troll".
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@kevinwong ·
He's the perfect guy for the job lol
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@teamsteem ·
It's tough to imagine a conventional company where the important shareholders and employee would troll the rest on the shareholders and I don't see why it should be different in a decentralized one. He could have express what he meant to express in a non trolling fashion and that would have made a lot more sense I think. But hey, they're free to do whatever they feel like.
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@cheetah ·
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@eric-boucher ·
This is a huge hit on the popularity of this massively popular cryptocurrency! Ouf, their PR must not know what to do with this right now!?! I guess it is too bad for them... but fantastic exposure for us at the same time?! 

I still remember Dan's interview about this back then. It underlines, once more, the power of Steemit and BitShares! Good for us all!!!

All for one and one for all!    Namaste    :)
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@barrydutton ·
That's so awesome you were into crypto in a big way back then Eric.   Good on ya man
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@igster ·
"Is Ethereum safe? I don’t think so. I absolutely cannot guarantee that the network won’t be 51% attacked" - The same applies to Bitcoin or any other PoW-blockchain. No one can guarantee there wouldn't be attack. Luckily for us as ethereum network grows rapidly in value, thanks to so many devs on all kinds of projects, there will be more miners and hashrate making this 51÷ attack ingreasingly difficult.

"I cannot usually guarantee that a smart contract will behave as expected " - Just as with any programs - there can be bugs. Lots of people are working on making this problem go away though. 

Bashing other chains won't make Steem rise and them fall - I'd say the effect will be quite the opposite at least in terms of brain leak.

Some differences between ethereum and steem, while we are on the topic:
1. Ethereum was announced well in advance by Vitalik. There were no shady mining and relaunching of project like in steem. Rather they setup an ico where everyone is eqial. Do you see the difference? 

2.Steem ecosystem has so many less devs than ethereum that it isn't even funny. Course won't change anytime soon. Believe me.

I could add few more but on mobile so won't bother. For those reading: do your own research!
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@eric-boucher ·
Thanks for the great comment and information. All for one and one for all!  Namaste    :)
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@teamsteem ·
Thank you for your comment. I didn't bash on other chains. The thing you copy pasted are Vlad's words. No where did I bash against Ethereum. I wished them good luck. I questioned the the pertinence of Vlad's tweet and post. 

I also question the pertinence of their joke about the DAO. I didn't bash on them. I also offered them a sincere invitation. Thank you for your comment.
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@teamsteem ·
Dan was clear why they mined the coin into existence and everyone is free to invest or not.
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@teamsteem ·
It's a very weird situation.
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@tuck-fheman ·
<blockquote>This is a huge hit on the popularity of this massively popular cryptocurrency! Ouf, their PR must not know what to do with this right now!?! I guess it is too bad for them...</blockquote>

**I think they need to give him a PR bonus.** =)

When the other frontrunning coin is out there mass marketing that they are the digital cash of the future and everyone should use their (*cryptocurrency in it's infant stages without enough testing to secure billions of dollars*) product, it's refreshing to hear someone speak honestly about their product (as Ethereum always has) and try to keep the masses away at this early phase of the unknown.

Many feel that it's a much better approach, and can help ensure a slow gradual (some would say "proper") growth. It's the responsible approach I feel and it seems to have worked. I know I'm feeling no pain. =)
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@eric-boucher ·
I really love the way you replied to this one. Since I have not follow the whole story of Ethereum, it made me wonder why the coin was already so hugely popular in spite of its weakness. I guess their PR might have been simply too good too fast!?  LOL!  As you say, if the buyer is aware of the product's honest value then it is up to them to weigh the risks involved and whether or not they want to get into it as well as to what extent. I can only agree with you and the many on that point. May the pains of growth not be too painful too long...  Namaste   :)
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@hedge-x ·
The comments he made after on Twitter clarified what he meant.  Steem is focused in on Social Media DAPPS while Ethereum is like a big Visa for everything.  Just like you have Reddit and Medium both are very successful, similar but have different focus.  Personally, I think Ethereum is much better than Bitcoin.  Once you use it you'll see why after Metropolis release.
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@teamsteem ·
I linked both the tweet and his full post.  It was weird of him in my opinion. 

As for the technology, the scalability issue is a real issue for any coin which doesn't use graphene/DPOS. I'm not saying it can't be solved any other way than what DPOS handles it, I'm just reporting what I see about the issue.
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@kevinwong · (edited)
Inviting all crypto-spearheaders to start a development / personal blog on Steemit.
<sub>I can see you lurking around</sub>
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@teamsteem ·
That would be somewhat ironic.
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@maxtill94 ·
NEVERDIE ICO is LIVE. 
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@teamsteem ·
Thank you @steemtrail! I'm glad you enjoyed my post and I enjoy your support!
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### ![VladZamfir](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/683736320691298305/jHM6N6FK_normal.png) **[Vlad Zamfir](https://twitter.com/@VladZamfir/status/838006311598030848)** tweeted @ 04 Mar 2017 - 12:40 UTC

> Ethereum isn't safe or scalable. It is immature experimental tech. Don't rely on it for mission critical apps unless absolutely necessary!


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