I would rather just see steemit remove the box that discourages downvotes.
They can just have a reward FAQ.
Most of the other UIs don't have a box that discourages downvotes. Getting downvoted sucks especially when it is just someone trying to annoy you, but it is much better than just seeing people do whatever they want consequence free.

Not a Bad idea bruv

@theycallmedan, You've catched absolutely true point and definitely it's all about the name, if we change the name then definitely we can change the **Perspective**.

We all are **Emotional Beings** and to tackle with emotions in right way then we have to fill clarity in our **Foundations** and **Base**. My vote is for your thoughts and definitely change of names should be implemented.

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Redistributing wealth can get the fur flying in some corners in which Steem is used ... but, be that as it may, I do agree with using terms that give the best possible understanding of what is actually being done.  I have been the subject of a few "redistributions," and because I knew that, I could handle the emotional aspect of watching big, well-earned rewards being whittled away without taking it as personally as I might have.   But I can't imagine going through that without knowing!

Good idea, R&R, Reward & Redistribute :)

@theycallmedan - 

@simplymike, @abitcoinskeptic and @guiltyparties said much what I would have said, so shan't repeat it.  I did note, though, that @guiltyparties' comment had been flagged which bears out all the comments about downvotes and flagging.  Having been caught in a downvoting "war", I am painfully aware of how the practise is misused.  I have said elsewhere that had this happened to me in my early days on Steemit, it would have been a death knell.  Now, having seen it happen to others - for inexplicable reasons - I just sigh and carry on.  

The practise is a means of bullying which, IMHO does absolutely no good at all.

Fiona

I had tryed to pitch the same idea multiple Times :)

Like Dislike Button + Support/ Donation Button. Because sometimes people like something but dont want to Donate/support.

Or they want to like it, but dont want to spend there valuable votes.

I also think that would be change the mindset of votings. Because why should someone blame about a Supportvote/Donation?



Btw @theycallmedan :

We should also offer a space for advertising under each post on steem. The author can sell for Steem.

So posts could generate a permanent income.

As an an example:

I am writing about yoga and now someone wants to sell his sports accessories and offers 5 Steem the week on my advertising space.

The tags should make it easy to integrate a bid system.

As with Google advertising, you could say the weekly budget is 100 Steem and you just want to bid on sports posts, etc.

That would also have the effect that really belongs to the content. Because you can also market it.

The front ends could take a% of this amount.

As an author, I can activate or deactivate the advertising space.

So is a WIN/WIN/WiN sytstem.

For the Author, Front end owner and the Investor.


What do you think about this? 


that would make steem one of the most dynamic places on the internet.
No middleman for advertising.

Now that's a really good idea to counter the misuse and misrepresentation of both upvotes and downvotes. Right now, primarily due to all the malicious downvoting that's only intended to harass good users to leave the platform, not many users are using them to return to the reward pool.

@theycallmedan This is a great Idea. This change will make the content creators reminds every time what it really means getting upvote, that getting share from reward pool . It always reminds that downvote is not a negative thing but simply reverting reward back to the same pool where we all depend for rewarding.

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I think this is a great idea!

And furthermore... I wonder if there's something to the idea of a bit of anonymity to rewarding... If a problem is bots, well, would people use bots if they couldn't be sure if the bot was actually voting for them? I dunno, it needs some workshopping, but to some extent, should we perhaps not be able to tell where a post got its rewards from? We either think "yes, good post, I will also reward it" or "no! this post is getting more than it deserves, I'll redistribute some of those rewards."

Hmmmmm. What are the negatives? That abusers can hide behind anonymity? In what way does that benefit them? As it is, they are known and it doesn't seem to help. Hmmmmmmmm....

This is a great idea. People underestimate the power of words and I think this would be a great way to put a positive spin on something that really does hold a very negative stigma.In addition, like you said - it creates more of an understanding and awareness of what is going where. 

love you post and optimism.
But do you not think it would be more amusing to label them Attack and Support? 

Very often flags are used specifically as a form of attack.
 
It would be great if we had some well thought through community guidelines that a majority of reasonable people would agree to. 
Attacking people for pointing out blatant hypocrisy is not a good reason for attacking others imho

The problems with downvotes is the flagrant abuse some powerful users make when whales just pick up a smaller and start downvoting him/her.

That's actually a brilliant way to frame it. Taking a 'negative' emotion and showing how it benefits everyone when it's redistributed.

Great 'rebranding' of the button for sure.

That's actually an interesting idea. It's a simple change but it would change a persons mindset towards their "voting" behavior, especially for new users who are unaware of the old system (I.e. this current one).
Cool idea

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upvoting is an action in a free market.

down voting doesn't exist in a free market.

Reward pool distribution belongs to no one until the 7 days is up. It is no ones property. Free markets do not allow purchase without property.

...it is not a cultural problem, it is a fundamental flaw in steem that will never be addressed (until inflation has stopped).

It is why steem will never suceed.

You can fight/try to engineer human behavior, as much as you like, it won't change it.
Steem is trying to do _just_ this.

It will fail.
The market knows this also. (22 cents!!!)

>*I downvote because of reward pool abuse.*

How about downvoting bernie or haejin?

This is a UI/UX feature to be implemented by companies leveraging STEEM as they please. I'd say worth a try.

Brilliant. Love it. Sign me up.

Thanks Dan for this review and suggestion! 

>Some Steemians do not understand that downvotes cause rewards to go back into the reward pool, make it unmistakable that they get redistributed back to the reward pool to be recycled for future reward distribution.

Really, I didn’t know about this until now!

I wish Steemit inc. will implement this beautiful and positive retouching in this coming **Hard-fork**

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I totally agree with @theycallmedan the word upvote is sometimes confusing but if it can be changed to reward I think that would be much better.

I like it. Make me think more about where rewards will get redistributed to.

this is an fantastic idea

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I think people would still consider a 'redistribution' a slight regardless of what you call it.  It's still 'taking money' from them.

I like the idea of renaming to 'reward' and 'redistribution', even though I think it won't solve the core problem. I rarely see downvotes that are given out because of reward pool abuse. They are either random, because someone has commented on a post or received a vote from someone who's involved in a flag war, and - the worst kind, imo - because someone disagrees with what the author states in his post.

Most social media sites don't even allow a 'dislike' button because it's 'too negative' - I think *redistribution* next to 'rewarding' is actually a great idea, not only because it sounds less negative (and yes negativity/punishment will always trigger people), but I like it even more for the *education* that it will bring to the community.

As I would love to see STEEM as *THE* blockchain that onboards crypto-noobs I believe we could really distinguish our chain if we found a way to put tiny bits of education throughout our UI/UX. 

Downvoting is already better than flagging in terms of neutralising the term (down is just the opposite of up), so after that was implemented I stopped thinking about it. But this brings a new perspective and there must be many other minor tweaks we can make that will help people understand the *idea* behind Steem and it's functionalities better.

R&R sounds very diplomatic and takes the edge off the term "downvote" I could get behind that. Redistribute would need to have a hover explainer telling grandma `By pressing this button you will influence X rewards to be removed from this content and sent back to the pool for redistribution.` 

Using the word `content` because it is agnostic to comment or post type.  

An emoji layer as well would be good as mentioned already in this thread. I could put the crying with laughter face but not necessarily choose to remove rewards.

We could also do emotion-based voting as facebook uses. Then have users list there percents for emotions that are predetermined in setting and something along those lines. That way users determine what their votes mean to them and what emotions they want.

Someone could put a happy face and still give a negative vote value.

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Makes sense what you say but there are plenty of people who downvote because they don't like you in exactly the same way they upvote because they like you (because you are a big fish).

The fact hardly anyone invests time in reading, voting manual and commenting says enough. There is way less engagement as we hope/think there is.

If I downvote you, you loose all your upvotes? I still do not know how it works and I doubt I will use it.

If most people not even read a post, use a bot to vote (like) how will they downvote/dislike something?

If you start using the Facebook dislike this means it is personal. If I dislike all posts I see/read here it's never ending. 

If you dislike you should give a reason why.
You don't like the theme, it is written for insiders only, not catching, ugly drawing, bad grammar, just a link, bad taste of humour...?

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