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Is Worldcoin a scam? What actual use-case is Worldcoin solving online? by vikisecrets

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· @vikisecrets · (edited)
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Is Worldcoin a scam? What actual use-case is Worldcoin solving online?
Welchen konkreten Use-Case löst Worldcoin eigentlich online? Ist es ein Betrug?

Worldcoin ist ein neues Krypto-Projekt, das überraschend von Sam Altman, dem CEO von OpenAI, mitgegründet wurde, mit dem hehren Ziel, User online von Bots zu unterscheiden.

Eine Art biometrisches Captcha. Dazu müssen User ihre Iris mit einem speziellen von Worldcoin entwickelten Gerät (Orb) scannen und erhalten so ihre digitale Identität und Worldcoin als Belohnung. Proof of Iris Scan.

Das klingt einmal auf dem Papier interessant, eine blockchain-basierte Datenbank von Iris-Scans sozusagen.

Aber jetzt kommt der Hacken. Wie soll man die Identität (die Iris) online einscannen, und überprüfen, dass eine Webseite wirklich von einer Person verwendet wird?

Muss jetzt jeder Computer einen Worldcoin-zertifizierten Iris-Scanner haben? Was ist, wenn der Iris-Scanner gehackt wird?

Was ist, wenn Menschen aus ärmeren Ländern ihren private Worldcoin Key gegen ein paar Dollar weiterverkaufen? So könnte man wieder Bot-Farmen betreiben, mit gekauften IDs, ohne dass es jemand merkt.

Im Endeffekt wird es online nur mit einem Worldcoin schwer überprüfbar sein, ob es ein Bot oder ein Mensch ist, der den Key verwendet. Denkt darüber nach.

Auch wenn jeder Mensch einen Iris-Scanner hätte, wird es schwierig.

Um die Identität online wirklich zu überprüfen, bräuchte man eine zentrale Stelle, die kontrolliert, ob die Person vor Ort wirklich ihre Iris bei jedem Login ordnungsgemäß einscannt und das Gerät nicht manipuliert ist. Ansonsten ist der ganze Aufwand eher umsonst.

Logins könnte man ähnlich sicher auch mit Passwörtern, 2FA, Bitcoin-Keys mit Guthaben oder Hive IDs lösen.

Noch ein konkretes Beispiel. Könnte Splinterlands mit Worldcoin sicherstellen, dass Spieler keine Bots verwenden? Wohl kaum.

Sehe daher das Versprechen mit Worldcoin, Bots von Menschen anhand von Iris-Scans online zu unterscheiden eher als Fake an.

Vielleicht ist das in der realen Welt mit Kontrolle vor Ort möglich, aber nicht online. Was denkt ihr? Welchen Use-Case löst Worldcoin eigentlich? Ist es ein Scam?

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https://worldcoin.org/

## English

Worldcoin is a new crypto project, surprisingly co-founded by Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI, with the noble goal of distinguishing users from bots online.

A kind of biometric captcha. For this, users have to scan their iris with a special device developed by Worldcoin (Orb) and get their digital identity and Worldcoin as a reward. Proof of Iris Scan.

This sounds interesting on paper, a blockchain-based database of iris scans, so to speak.

But here's the catch. How is one supposed to verify the identity (scan the iris) online, and check that a website is really used by a person?

Does every computer now have to have a Worldcoin-certified iris scanner? What if the iris scanner is hacked?

What if people from poorer countries resell their private Worldcoin key for a few dollars? So one could run bot farms again, with bought IDs, without anyone noticing.

The bottom line is that it will be hard to verify online with just a Worldcoin whether it is a bot or a human using the key. Think about it.

Even if every human had an iris scanner, it will be difficult.

To really verify identity online, you would need a central office to check that the person on site really scans their iris properly every time they log in and that the device has not been tampered with. Otherwise, the whole effort is rather in vain.

Logins could be solved similarly with passwords, 2FA, Bitcoin keys with credit or Hive IDs.

Another concrete example. Could Splinterlands use Worldcoin to ensure that players don't use bots? Probably not.

The promise of Worldcoin to distinguish bots from humans based on iris scans online is rather fake.

Maybe this is possible in the real world with on-site control, but not online. What do you guys think? What use case does Worldcoin actually solve? Is it a scam?

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@abh12345 ·
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This has worked out quite well so far for me :)
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@amberkashif ·
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All your suspiciousness about their agenda makes sense. The thing that claims to make online world bot free may become a hub for bots.
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@bitandi ·
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Is vieleicht nicht direkt ein Scam, aber ist auch nicht weit davon weg denke ich.
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@biyimi ·
Probably it might be a scam who knows
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@cpufronz ·
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Die Idee dahinter geht in Richtung bedingungsloses Grundeinkommen. Deshalb ist Sam Altman auch bei dem Projekt mit dabei, es soll eine Absicherung gegen die potenziellen  Jobverluste durch KI sein. Zumindest habe ich vor Jahren mal solche Aussagen von ihm gehört.

Um so etwas zu implementieren, muss man natürlich sicherstellen, dass eine Person auch wirklich eine Person ist. Hat man das geschafft, ist man sicher gegenüber Sybil-Attacken, es würde dann natürlich auch keine Anreize für Menschen geben, ihre Keys zu verkaufen.

Eine vertrauenswürdige dezentrale Identität wäre ein wirklich sehr bedeutender Durchbruch, für offene System wie öffentliche Blockchains, aber auch noch darüber hinaus. Die Idee ist daher sehr interessant, die Umsetzung ist aber sehr, sehr schwierig (z.b. wie will man überprüfen, ob jemand noch am Leben ist).

Worldcoin verfolgt den oben beschriebenen Ansatz, der hat aber doch einen stark dystopischen Beigeschmack und wird daher von viel sehr kritisch beurteilt, liegt sicher auch daran, dass der Technologie-Optimismus der letzten drei Jahrzehnte stark abgenommen hat.
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@vikisecrets · (edited)
UBI wäre ein utopischer Use Case, aber denke nicht, dass das Worldcoin lösen kann, dadurch dass Worldcoin global ist, wird es immer Millionen/Milliarden User geben, die ihre Keys verkaufen, zusätzlich besteht das Risiko, dass lokale Orbs gehackt/korrumpiert werden und mehr World IDs als Menschen erstellen. Den Use Case könnte man auch anders dezentral lösen, zb Bitcoin oder Hive Keys dezentral an eine ID knüpfen, wenn man zu einem Meetup kommt etc. Damit ließen sich auch reale User bis zu einem gewissen Grad verifizieren, ohne den ganzen biometrischen Aufwand.
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@cpufronz ·
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Das Hacken der Orbs ist tatsächlich ein offenes Problem. Der Vorschlag mit regelmäßigen Treffen ist im Prinzip gut, skaliert aber schlecht auf Milliarden potentielle User.
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@der-prophet ·
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Persönlich würde ich diese Technologie noch nicht verteufeln.  Welche Alternativen haben wir denn momentan? Heute werden neue Accounts mit Facebook und Google Accounts abgeglichen ob du real bist.

Jetzt kommt ein neuer Player aufs Spielfeld.  Ob das Projekt vertrauenswürdig ist muss es erst noch in den nächsten Jahren beweisen. Einen Iris Scanner hat doch heute jedes moderne Handy.

Bitcoin hat doch auch vor 14 Jahren kaum jemand vertraut, heute sind es auch nur 5% der Weltbevölkerung 😉
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@vikisecrets ·
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Guter Punkt, dass Smartphones bereits einen Iris-Scanner haben, denke Worldcoin eignet sich aus den genannten Gründen nicht so gut als Captcha aber vielleicht eher als Maßnahme gegen Account-Farming, wobei man erst sehen muss, ob so ein System in der Praxis funktioniert. Könnte auch an der Akzeptanz scheitern, wenn User nicht einer zentralen Stelle ihre biometrischen Daten anvertrauen wollen. 
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@der-prophet ·
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Heute geben wir auch schon unseren Smartphones all unsere Biometrischen Daten, wer garantiert mir denn das diese nicht abgegriffen werden? 

Selbst Microsoft hat nun angekündigt, dass sie Screenshots von deinem Browser Verlauf machen wollen . Nur damit man seine lieblingsseiten schneller wieder findet.

Datenschutz ist doch nur ein werbegag der Politiker, kein Konzern hält sich wirklich daran. Kommt ja auch immer wieder heraus...
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@dotwin1981 ·
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Klingt irgendwie komisch. Das würde auch wieder nur was bringen, wenn das in allen Webseiten integriert wird. Deutschland hat es ja bisher nicht mal zustanden bekommen, dass man sich Online mit seinen Ausweis Verifizieren kann, obwohl da schon seit Ewigkeiten ein Chip integriert ist mit seinen Daten. Von daher würde ich nicht sagen Scam, eher unbrauchbar.

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@lolzbot ·
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@sloth.buzz ·
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@emeraldtiger ·
$0.09
Feels like that guy just asked chat GPT to come up with a "genius" idea to tell apart human from bots xD
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@florakese ·
$0.08
This is another way of controlling us with the excuse of our security and the common good.
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@growandbow ·
$0.09
I really like how openly you think, how you scrutinise and ask several important questions. Like a good detective 😎

![untitled.gif](https://media.tenor.com/vsueP0ISyccAAAAC/death-note-death-note-l.gif)

Haven't put my nose into Worldcoin.
So, I only can use your information and would be biased on this post.

Does an iris scanner can distinguish between a real eye and an artificial eye, like, a digital eye, high def photo or a painting?
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@vikisecrets ·
Good question, I asked myself too, think every system can be tricked with enough energy, the link between the digital and the physical world is always a problem, that cannot easily be solved.
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@growandbow ·
$0.08
> “...think every system can be tricked...”

Agree 💯!!<div><a href="https://engage.hivechain.app">![](https://i.imgur.com/XsrNmcl.png)</a></div>
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@growandbow ·
$0.08
> “Who Am I – Kein System ist sicher”
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@hispapro ·
<center>![](https://images.ecency.com/DQmNVLVaKee1v3vCPvN54xJdyYkZeLiLXajUpcBrMhrJC3r/image.png)

</center>

<div class="text-justify">

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</div>

---

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@jfang003 ·
$0.09
I think it's a scam and it's going to be releasing biological information on people all across the world. I would not trust them with that data.
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@leaky20 ·
$0.18
It sounds like many coins from the early days of ICO's - when people tried to put everything on the blockchain, often when there was no reason for that thing to be on a blockchain. This sounds like one of those "pie in the sky" ideas that sounds interesting and plausible on paper but will never come to fruition or actually amount to anything and will just eventually fade into nothing over time. I'm sure the developers and a select few of early investors will get rich though  😆 
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@orionvk ·
$0.08
Ich habe auch noch keinen wirklich nutzen entdeckt. 😅
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@qwr ·
New feature. Very interesting.
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@rafzat ·
Hahaha
We never can tell what will be the end or how the project will go later so let us just hold on and keep our fingers crossed...
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@stayoutoftherz ·
$0.12
Es ist ein Geschäftsmodell, das - wie so viele - von der Gutgläubigkeit der Menschen profitiert. Kein direkter Betrug, aber Erfolg werden die Orbs keinen haben, da wie Du richtig sagst, sich die Kontrolle umgehen lässt.
Abgesehen davon ist es ein riesiges Datenschutzproblem, wenn eine dubiose zentrale Stelle dermassen viele Iris-Scans verwaltet.
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@thebighigg ·
$0.08
Definitely won't work. If it's a building with iris scanners for security maybe, but still they can be fooled. But on the web it isn't going to work, a nice though though!
!DHEDGE
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@thehockeyfan-at ·
$0.08
!BBH
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@bbhbot ·
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@valggav ·
$0.09
!LUV
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@luvshares ·
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